The Inevitable Street Fighter V Story Thread: ARCADE EDITION!

[PoisonKiss]

Loved it. Goofy, campy fun with a few real emotional punches, which is how I like my Street Fighter. My only complaints were Necalli being utterly pointless (feels like several scenes were cut from that subplot) and Chun-Li getting bizarrely sidelined. Also, would it have been so hard to have Rose cameo in a story all about Psycho Power?

I thought they did a good job integrating the new characters and the Alpha cast. Karin is a favorite of mine, admittedly, so it was nice to see her get so much shine, and I like the idea of her/the Kanzuki Estate as a way to organize our heroes in one place like the Justice League. Interpol never quite worked for that.

Juri, Rashid and Kolin were the showstoppers. Rashid is a wonderful new hero, Juri’s evolution into a sort of Punisher or Elektra type antihero is fun, and Kolin was just captivating. Would love to see her playable in a future DLC wave.

[Fragment]

So anyway…

How do you guys feel now that Bison, Charlie and Marz (and maybe FANG?) are officially dead in the Street Fighter canon?

Fighting games are pretty much like comic books. Death is a revolving door.

I don’t think they’ll bring F.A.N.G back, anyway, he flopped as a fighter. Though they could, if they wanted to.

[Hawkingbird]

People need to look up the definition of Mary Sue. A lot of you are tossing around the term and don’t know what it means.

“The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She’s exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She’s exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her “flaws” are obviously meant to be endearing.”

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

Sounds like Karin is a Mary Sue to me. Attractive. Had ALL the info that was needed. Gathered everyone. And didn’t lose a SINGLE fight in story mode NOR did she break a sweat. If that isn’t Mary Sue then you are delusional. I agree with the others. She was cringe worthy in the story. No flaws, no mistakes, just pure perfection. The only bad thing that happened to her was her satellite was shutdown but she didn’t seem too upset about it PLUS it didn’t deter how she gathered her info. So once again. She’s a Mary Sue.

You know she’s been that way since Alpha 3, right?

It’s like you didn’t pay attention. Her character story and Ken shows she holds regular parties and get together among the fighter community. She keeps tabs on anyone that’s relevant and has an extensive intelligence network. Karin being able to gather people isn’t stretch from what we know before cinematic story. Why would the satellite deter her from getting info? She used it to monitor the Black Moon and it detonated in New York not Japan. Communication on her end wouldn’t be affected.

Why is her not losing an issue considering who she fought. Is it beyond Karin’s power to beat nameless Shadoloo goon [insert number] and FANG the ultimate jobber? Vega didn’t lose to anyone neither. Hell, he shitted on Cammy three times and I don’t see anyone bitching about him.

It’s getting ridiculous how many people are taking out their story frustrations out on Karin. She’s not responsible for the poor treatment some the characters got.

So you’re admitting that she is a Mary Sue? Don’t really comprehend why you are even arguing if you just admitted that. It’s because she’s boring. I never said she was the sole problem of story mode. I just hated her perfection. I remember lurking on her and reading what someone said about her prologue about her being perfect and lo and behold it translated straight over into the cinematic story mode. She didn’t just fight “random shadoloo goon number 4828373” She fought important people like Rashid. I can’t remember who all she fought but my point is. It would have done her character great justice to LOSE. What happens if Karin loses a fight? Nobody knows because she’s a Mary Sue. She will never lose.

You’re an idiot. Pointing out a characterization she’s always had isn’t admitting to anything. She was like that in Alpha only arrogant, immature and bitchy. Her losing is what sparked her rivalry with Sakura in the first place. Getting her win back on Sakura and admitting she is the better fighter is what kick started her development into the Karin you see in SFV.

Rashid isn’t an impressive victory considering he lost a lot throughout the course of the game. He lost to Ryu, Fang and Juri. You telling me that Karin shouldn’t be able to kick his ass too? Karin fought two dolls, a Shadoloo goon, FANG and Rashid. It’s not an impressive list of people. She fought stronger people in her prologue.

And she didn’t lose to any of them either! Tf are you trying to prove by saying that man?

Vega didn’t lose any of his fights in the story neither. I’m not seeing you guys calling him a Marty Stu over it. Not losing is flimsy reasoning for a Mary Sue accusation.

[PoisonKiss]

Bison, who laughed while disintegrating, will definitely be back. That’s what Ed is for, clearly. März never made an impact before, so she’s probably out for good, but I think all the Dolls are likely done anyway save Decapre and maybe Juli. I could see F.A.N.G. returning if he becomes more popular. He was great in the story mode, but I’d be fine with him being a SFV one-off.

[Fragment]

I wonder why Karin didn’t contact Sakura.

[FengShuiEnergy]

Speaking of Vega…after his fight Juri in london…I saw something in his face…almost like he respected something. But I’m not sure what that is…

[Daemos]

So anyway…

How do you guys feel now that Bison, Charlie and Marz (and maybe FANG?) are officially dead in the Street Fighter canon?

Fighting games are pretty much like comic books. Death is a revolving door.

I don’t think they’ll bring F.A.N.G back, anyway, he flopped as a fighter. Though they could, if they wanted to.

Too early to call it. He has more personality in one finger than most of the SF4 new cast combined. He’s also unlike any fighter before him. I honestly hope he doesn’t go.

[You]

People need to look up the definition of Mary Sue. A lot of you are tossing around the term and don’t know what it means.

“The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She’s exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She’s exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her “flaws” are obviously meant to be endearing.”

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

Sounds like Karin is a Mary Sue to me. Attractive. Had ALL the info that was needed. Gathered everyone. And didn’t lose a SINGLE fight in story mode NOR did she break a sweat. If that isn’t Mary Sue then you are delusional. I agree with the others. She was cringe worthy in the story. No flaws, no mistakes, just pure perfection. The only bad thing that happened to her was her satellite was shutdown but she didn’t seem too upset about it PLUS it didn’t deter how she gathered her info. So once again. She’s a Mary Sue.

You know she’s been that way since Alpha 3, right?

It’s like you didn’t pay attention. Her character story and Ken shows she holds regular parties and get together among the fighter community. She keeps tabs on anyone that’s relevant and has an extensive intelligence network. Karin being able to gather people isn’t stretch from what we know before cinematic story. Why would the satellite deter her from getting info? She used it to monitor the Black Moon and it detonated in New York not Japan. Communication on her end wouldn’t be affected.

Why is her not losing an issue considering who she fought. Is it beyond Karin’s power to beat nameless Shadoloo goon [insert number] and FANG the ultimate jobber? Vega didn’t lose to anyone neither. Hell, he shitted on Cammy three times and I don’t see anyone bitching about him.

It’s getting ridiculous how many people are taking out their story frustrations out on Karin. She’s not responsible for the poor treatment some the characters got.

So you’re admitting that she is a Mary Sue? Don’t really comprehend why you are even arguing if you just admitted that. It’s because she’s boring. I never said she was the sole problem of story mode. I just hated her perfection. I remember lurking on her and reading what someone said about her prologue about her being perfect and lo and behold it translated straight over into the cinematic story mode. She didn’t just fight “random shadoloo goon number 4828373” She fought important people like Rashid. I can’t remember who all she fought but my point is. It would have done her character great justice to LOSE. What happens if Karin loses a fight? Nobody knows because she’s a Mary Sue. She will never lose.

You’re an idiot. Pointing out a characterization she’s always had isn’t admitting to anything. She was like that in Alpha only arrogant, immature and bitchy. Her losing is what sparked her rivalry with Sakura in the first place. Getting her win back on Sakura and admitting she is the better fighter is what kick started her development into the Karin you see in SFV.

Rashid isn’t an impressive victory considering he lost a lot throughout the course of the game. He lost to Ryu, Fang and Juri. You telling me that Karin shouldn’t be able to kick his ass too? Karin fought two dolls, a Shadoloo goon, FANG and Rashid. It’s not an impressive list of people. She fought stronger people in her prologue.

And she didn’t lose to any of them either! Tf are you trying to prove by saying that man?

Vega didn’t lose any of his fights in the story neither. I’m not seeing you guys calling him a Marty Stu over it. Not losing is flimsy reasoning for a Mary Sue accusation.

Vega lost to Chun in the prologues, and he was driven away by Juri. Karin lost no fights in the prologue and won every single fight in the CSM and gathered all the fighters and all the information and led everyone to victory. Vega harassed Cammy a couple of times. That’s a horrible comparison. Sorry @Hawkingbird but I don’t think we’re ever gonna see eye to eye on this.

[Hawkingbird]

I don’t get the hate for Ryu finishing Bison. We’ve been told that only Ryu stop Bison for two decades. Rose even mentions this in SFIV. Is it really that surprising.

I think how they did is what upsets people. Ryu is a non-factor for the entire story. He sits it out to undergo “special training” that isn’t elaborated on or actually see. When Ryu re-enters the scene he’s inexplicably at Karin’s house where he hands Necalli his ass then finishes off Bison. Ryu didn’t “earn” it. He was so far removed from what was happening that giving him the win over the main villain feels like a cheat.

[Fragment]

Too early to call it. He has more personality in one finger than most of the SF4 new cast combined. He’s also unlike any fighter before him. I honestly hope he doesn’t go.

But isn’t he like the lowest tier?

[You]

Too early to call it. He has more personality in one finger than most of the SF4 new cast combined. He’s also unlike any fighter before him. I honestly hope he doesn’t go.

But isn’t he like the lowest tier?

That can be easily fixed through balance patches.

[Daemos]

Too early to call it. He has more personality in one finger than most of the SF4 new cast combined. He’s also unlike any fighter before him. I honestly hope he doesn’t go.

But isn’t he like the lowest tier?

Tiers fluctuate with each iteration, and should not be used to gauge quality of character. Plus he’s a high execution character, we haven’t seen his full potential just yet. Although I hope he picks up popularity (buffs!) so that he gets a chance.

[Fragment]

Too early to call it. He has more personality in one finger than most of the SF4 new cast combined. He’s also unlike any fighter before him. I honestly hope he doesn’t go.

But isn’t he like the lowest tier?

Tiers fluctuate with each iteration, and should not be used to gauge quality of character. Plus he’s a high execution character, we haven’t seen his full potential just yet. Although I hope he picks up popularity (buffs!) so that he gets a chance.

But I think his gamestyle in general hasn’t been attractive to the players. Hey, maybe I talking out of my ass here, but that’s my impression. In the other hand, in the storyline it seems they’re trying to bury Shadaloo at least temporarily, that would put a lock for some time for him to come back. From the 4 SFV newcomers, Necalli and him are the ones with the less chance of returning.

[DRW]

O.k., I watched the story mode. And…I wasn’t impressed. The trailer looked like this would be much more epic. All they did was collect those chess pieces from various locations, then go to Bison’s base, then come back, then go there again and then they defeat Bison.

For example, that Shadoloo spehere/moon was build up as some huge plot device. But when it EMPed New York, nothing was really made out of it. The impact that this had was only told in scenes off-screen from the impact. There was one scene when they were in New York and all they did was stand in an empty street and in a bank.
Did they ever actually use the effect of the sphere for their advantage? Did I miss something?
I imagined major consequences for the plot due to that sphere. But nothing. At least Bison could have wreaked some havoc in New York.

Then there’s the thing that the heroes mostly work as one group. So, many of the individual fighters could have been replaced with different ones and it would still have been the same story.
Zangief, Ibuki, R. Mika etc. were just good guy #1, 2 and 3. You didn’t have, for example, Zangief and R. Mika investigating stuff in the wrestling circuit or something like that. They were just generic RPG party members.
Even some of the main characters suffered from that: Guile and Chun Li weren’t out for personal reasons any more than the others.

Then there’s the fact that the previous games built up that “Charlie is still alive” plot for Guile. And now that Charlie is finally there again: Nothing. Again, Charlie could have been just some generic old enemy of Bison.

Also, do they live in a giant amusement park that is modeled after various countries? Otherwise, how come that Juri can ride on a motorcycle from Brazil to Great Britain? Or Rashid, Charlie etc. casually walking from Karin’s mansion in Japan to some bar in Russia?

The pairings of fights also often had few character connections. It was mostly one group encountering another one and then the pairings were done randomly.

Necalli’s plot was a total waste. He was presented as the next big danger, apart from Bison himself, being some cosmic entity that appears in a time of crisis to devour the souls of warriors. But he didn’t do anything and then just got defeated by Ryu just like that, never to be seen again.

They kind of recycled Guile’s “Alpha 3” ending with Charlie sacrificing himself, only this time it didn’t accomplish shit. And again, there was no reaction by Guile whatsoever. Chalie’s dead again, but nobody seems to care.

Well, there’s one good thing about that story mode: From now on I can claim that I myself personally inspired the ending of it.
Remember the artwork that I constantly brought up to prove that Ryu was the winner of SF2 and that it cannot refer to any other event?

Caption:
“After Ryu’s magnificent battle, news of Vega ceased. However the guy will surely return. Becoming a revenging demon…”

I was probably the only one on the internet that ever mentioned this artwork in the past years. Other than that, it’s a totally obscure artwork hidden in some age old artbook from 1992.

And now, the ending of SF5 not only has Ryu defeat M. Bison. We also have this:

So, there’s only one logical explanation: Capcom saw my arguments about SF2 (either here on the forum or in my essay) and they decided to prove me wrong by including that ending and that specific scene with the hat, so that one can claim that the artwork refers to the incident in SF5.

Yup, that’s the only logical explanation. B)
Or at least I can pretend it is. =)

[Hawkingbird]

People need to look up the definition of Mary Sue. A lot of you are tossing around the term and don’t know what it means.

“The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She’s exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She’s exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her “flaws” are obviously meant to be endearing.”

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

Sounds like Karin is a Mary Sue to me. Attractive. Had ALL the info that was needed. Gathered everyone. And didn’t lose a SINGLE fight in story mode NOR did she break a sweat. If that isn’t Mary Sue then you are delusional. I agree with the others. She was cringe worthy in the story. No flaws, no mistakes, just pure perfection. The only bad thing that happened to her was her satellite was shutdown but she didn’t seem too upset about it PLUS it didn’t deter how she gathered her info. So once again. She’s a Mary Sue.

You know she’s been that way since Alpha 3, right?

It’s like you didn’t pay attention. Her character story and Ken shows she holds regular parties and get together among the fighter community. She keeps tabs on anyone that’s relevant and has an extensive intelligence network. Karin being able to gather people isn’t stretch from what we know before cinematic story. Why would the satellite deter her from getting info? She used it to monitor the Black Moon and it detonated in New York not Japan. Communication on her end wouldn’t be affected.

Why is her not losing an issue considering who she fought. Is it beyond Karin’s power to beat nameless Shadoloo goon [insert number] and FANG the ultimate jobber? Vega didn’t lose to anyone neither. Hell, he shitted on Cammy three times and I don’t see anyone bitching about him.

It’s getting ridiculous how many people are taking out their story frustrations out on Karin. She’s not responsible for the poor treatment some the characters got.

So you’re admitting that she is a Mary Sue? Don’t really comprehend why you are even arguing if you just admitted that. It’s because she’s boring. I never said she was the sole problem of story mode. I just hated her perfection. I remember lurking on her and reading what someone said about her prologue about her being perfect and lo and behold it translated straight over into the cinematic story mode. She didn’t just fight “random shadoloo goon number 4828373” She fought important people like Rashid. I can’t remember who all she fought but my point is. It would have done her character great justice to LOSE. What happens if Karin loses a fight? Nobody knows because she’s a Mary Sue. She will never lose.

You’re an idiot. Pointing out a characterization she’s always had isn’t admitting to anything. She was like that in Alpha only arrogant, immature and bitchy. Her losing is what sparked her rivalry with Sakura in the first place. Getting her win back on Sakura and admitting she is the better fighter is what kick started her development into the Karin you see in SFV.

Rashid isn’t an impressive victory considering he lost a lot throughout the course of the game. He lost to Ryu, Fang and Juri. You telling me that Karin shouldn’t be able to kick his ass too? Karin fought two dolls, a Shadoloo goon, FANG and Rashid. It’s not an impressive list of people. She fought stronger people in her prologue.

And she didn’t lose to any of them either! Tf are you trying to prove by saying that man?

Vega didn’t lose any of his fights in the story neither. I’m not seeing you guys calling him a Marty Stu over it. Not losing is flimsy reasoning for a Mary Sue accusation.

Vega lost to Chun in the prologues, and he was driven away by Juri. Karin lost no fights in the prologue and won every single fight in the CSM and gathered all the fighters and all the information and led everyone to victory. Vega harassed Cammy a couple of times. That’s a horrible comparison.

Vega, being a villain didn’t receive any comeuppance for things he did. He torrents Cammy throughout the game including prologues and not once does Cammy get the better of him. Makes the hero look real shitty if they can’t overcome their villain. He’s the one of the four kings that worked away without losing anything. At Balrog and Ed future looks uncertain with their meal ticket going up in smoke.

[You]

People need to look up the definition of Mary Sue. A lot of you are tossing around the term and don’t know what it means.

“The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She’s exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She’s exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her “flaws” are obviously meant to be endearing.”

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

Sounds like Karin is a Mary Sue to me. Attractive. Had ALL the info that was needed. Gathered everyone. And didn’t lose a SINGLE fight in story mode NOR did she break a sweat. If that isn’t Mary Sue then you are delusional. I agree with the others. She was cringe worthy in the story. No flaws, no mistakes, just pure perfection. The only bad thing that happened to her was her satellite was shutdown but she didn’t seem too upset about it PLUS it didn’t deter how she gathered her info. So once again. She’s a Mary Sue.

You know she’s been that way since Alpha 3, right?

It’s like you didn’t pay attention. Her character story and Ken shows she holds regular parties and get together among the fighter community. She keeps tabs on anyone that’s relevant and has an extensive intelligence network. Karin being able to gather people isn’t stretch from what we know before cinematic story. Why would the satellite deter her from getting info? She used it to monitor the Black Moon and it detonated in New York not Japan. Communication on her end wouldn’t be affected.

Why is her not losing an issue considering who she fought. Is it beyond Karin’s power to beat nameless Shadoloo goon [insert number] and FANG the ultimate jobber? Vega didn’t lose to anyone neither. Hell, he shitted on Cammy three times and I don’t see anyone bitching about him.

It’s getting ridiculous how many people are taking out their story frustrations out on Karin. She’s not responsible for the poor treatment some the characters got.

So you’re admitting that she is a Mary Sue? Don’t really comprehend why you are even arguing if you just admitted that. It’s because she’s boring. I never said she was the sole problem of story mode. I just hated her perfection. I remember lurking on her and reading what someone said about her prologue about her being perfect and lo and behold it translated straight over into the cinematic story mode. She didn’t just fight “random shadoloo goon number 4828373” She fought important people like Rashid. I can’t remember who all she fought but my point is. It would have done her character great justice to LOSE. What happens if Karin loses a fight? Nobody knows because she’s a Mary Sue. She will never lose.

You’re an idiot. Pointing out a characterization she’s always had isn’t admitting to anything. She was like that in Alpha only arrogant, immature and bitchy. Her losing is what sparked her rivalry with Sakura in the first place. Getting her win back on Sakura and admitting she is the better fighter is what kick started her development into the Karin you see in SFV.

Rashid isn’t an impressive victory considering he lost a lot throughout the course of the game. He lost to Ryu, Fang and Juri. You telling me that Karin shouldn’t be able to kick his ass too? Karin fought two dolls, a Shadoloo goon, FANG and Rashid. It’s not an impressive list of people. She fought stronger people in her prologue.

And she didn’t lose to any of them either! Tf are you trying to prove by saying that man?

Vega didn’t lose any of his fights in the story neither. I’m not seeing you guys calling him a Marty Stu over it. Not losing is flimsy reasoning for a Mary Sue accusation.

Vega lost to Chun in the prologues, and he was driven away by Juri. Karin lost no fights in the prologue and won every single fight in the CSM and gathered all the fighters and all the information and led everyone to victory. Vega harassed Cammy a couple of times. That’s a horrible comparison.

Vega, being a villain didn’t receive any comeuppance for things he did. He torrents Cammy throughout the game including prologues and not once does Cammy get the better of him. Makes the hero look real shitty if they can’t overcome their villain. He’s the one of the four kings that worked away without losing anything. At Balrog and Ed future looks uncertain with their meal ticket going up in smoke.

When Juri stops him from killing Cammy he lashes out at her and angrily tells her she’s gonna pay. We get to see him frustrated. With Karin she’s constantly in control, never worried about anything or having any conflict or risk to deal with. She also gets her happy ending, whereas Vega throws out his mask. That scene was fucking depressing. He’s done.

[Fragment]

I think it’s time to give Bison an halt and start focusing on new stuff, mainly the Illuminati.

Bison was integral to Street Fighter Alpha, II, IV and V, and he’s always accompanied by his three henchmen so they take a big part of the roster. But haven’t we ran out of stories to tell about Bison?

I’d like to explore a little more the world of Street Fighter with new villains, Street Fighter III was a step ahead in that sense but they’ve done many things to revert that. But S.I.N. and the Illuminati are still “big evil scientific corporations”, and SIN for example didn’t fill the void of Shadaloo’s temporary defeat.

I would like them to go more into mysticism, KOF is a great example of variety in that sense, since their three arcs dealt with different villains (they perhaps weren’t as cherished but at least they brought new challenges every time): First there’s a weapon dealer, next was focused on Japanese mythology, then an evil science empire and finally an invasion of entities from another dimension.
Compared to that, Street Fighter plot is too repetitive.

I’d like them to focus much more into the Illuminati and its mythology, because it’s clear there’s much of that which we haven’t seen. Prophecies, ancient warriors (Necalli could get a bit more into the play this time), etcetera… I’d be interested on that.
Or perhaps get a hold on the Illuminati (more like getting a little backstage) as they were the villains in Street Fighter III, and bring brand new villains into the mix… perhaps ones that aren’t a cheap Shadaloo replacement like S.I.N. was…

[Hawkingbird]

People need to look up the definition of Mary Sue. A lot of you are tossing around the term and don’t know what it means.

“The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She’s exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She’s exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her “flaws” are obviously meant to be endearing.”

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

Sounds like Karin is a Mary Sue to me. Attractive. Had ALL the info that was needed. Gathered everyone. And didn’t lose a SINGLE fight in story mode NOR did she break a sweat. If that isn’t Mary Sue then you are delusional. I agree with the others. She was cringe worthy in the story. No flaws, no mistakes, just pure perfection. The only bad thing that happened to her was her satellite was shutdown but she didn’t seem too upset about it PLUS it didn’t deter how she gathered her info. So once again. She’s a Mary Sue.

You know she’s been that way since Alpha 3, right?

It’s like you didn’t pay attention. Her character story and Ken shows she holds regular parties and get together among the fighter community. She keeps tabs on anyone that’s relevant and has an extensive intelligence network. Karin being able to gather people isn’t stretch from what we know before cinematic story. Why would the satellite deter her from getting info? She used it to monitor the Black Moon and it detonated in New York not Japan. Communication on her end wouldn’t be affected.

Why is her not losing an issue considering who she fought. Is it beyond Karin’s power to beat nameless Shadoloo goon [insert number] and FANG the ultimate jobber? Vega didn’t lose to anyone neither. Hell, he shitted on Cammy three times and I don’t see anyone bitching about him.

It’s getting ridiculous how many people are taking out their story frustrations out on Karin. She’s not responsible for the poor treatment some the characters got.

So you’re admitting that she is a Mary Sue? Don’t really comprehend why you are even arguing if you just admitted that. It’s because she’s boring. I never said she was the sole problem of story mode. I just hated her perfection. I remember lurking on her and reading what someone said about her prologue about her being perfect and lo and behold it translated straight over into the cinematic story mode. She didn’t just fight “random shadoloo goon number 4828373” She fought important people like Rashid. I can’t remember who all she fought but my point is. It would have done her character great justice to LOSE. What happens if Karin loses a fight? Nobody knows because she’s a Mary Sue. She will never lose.

You’re an idiot. Pointing out a characterization she’s always had isn’t admitting to anything. She was like that in Alpha only arrogant, immature and bitchy. Her losing is what sparked her rivalry with Sakura in the first place. Getting her win back on Sakura and admitting she is the better fighter is what kick started her development into the Karin you see in SFV.

Rashid isn’t an impressive victory considering he lost a lot throughout the course of the game. He lost to Ryu, Fang and Juri. You telling me that Karin shouldn’t be able to kick his ass too? Karin fought two dolls, a Shadoloo goon, FANG and Rashid. It’s not an impressive list of people. She fought stronger people in her prologue.

And she didn’t lose to any of them either! Tf are you trying to prove by saying that man?

Vega didn’t lose any of his fights in the story neither. I’m not seeing you guys calling him a Marty Stu over it. Not losing is flimsy reasoning for a Mary Sue accusation.

Vega lost to Chun in the prologues, and he was driven away by Juri. Karin lost no fights in the prologue and won every single fight in the CSM and gathered all the fighters and all the information and led everyone to victory. Vega harassed Cammy a couple of times. That’s a horrible comparison.

Vega, being a villain didn’t receive any comeuppance for things he did. He torrents Cammy throughout the game including prologues and not once does Cammy get the better of him. Makes the hero look real shitty if they can’t overcome their villain. He’s the one of the four kings that worked away without losing anything. At Balrog and Ed future looks uncertain with their meal ticket going up in smoke.

When Juri stops him from killing Cammy he lashes out at her and angrily tells her she’s gonna pay. We get to see him frustrated. With Karin she’s constantly in control, never worried about anything or having any conflict or risk to deal with. She also gets her happy ending, whereas Vega throws out his mask. That scene was fucking depressing. He’s done.

Being pissed is hardly defeat. We saw Karin get mad over a black moon fucked up her satellite. There was the sense of urgency when Rashid tossed her the pieces and her fight with FANG to give Chun-Li time to deactivate the moons. No need to rush if she wasn’t worried. I don’t see Vega tossing his mask as a depressing scene. The guy never had any loyalty to Bison or Shadoloo. He knew it was over and just said fuck it.

I doubt we will see eye to eye on this. Agree to disagree.

[Scotia]

I think it’s time to give Bison an halt and start focusing on new stuff, mainly the Illuminati.

Bison was integral to Street Fighter Alpha, II, IV and V, and he’s always accompanied by his three henchmen so they take a big part of the roster. But haven’t we ran out of stories to tell about Bison?

I’d like to explore a little more the world of Street Fighter with new villains, Street Fighter III was a step ahead in that sense but they’ve done many things to revert that. But S.I.N. and the Illuminati are still “big evil scientific corporations”, and SIN for example didn’t fill the void of Shadaloo’s temporary defeat.

I would like them to go more into mysticism, KOF is a great example of variety in that sense, since their three arcs dealt with different villains (they perhaps weren’t as cherished but at least they brought new challenges every time): First there’s a weapon dealer, next was focused on Japanese mythology, then an evil science empire and finally an invasion of entities from another dimension.
Compared to that, Street Fighter plot is too repetitive.

I’d like them to focus much more into the Illuminati and its mythology, because it’s clear there’s much of that which we haven’t seen. Prophecies, ancient warriors (Necalli could get a bit more into the play this time), etcetera… I’d be interested on that.
Or perhaps get a hold on the Illuminati (more like getting a little backstage) as they were the villains in Street Fighter III, and bring brand new villains into the mix… perhaps ones that aren’t a cheap Shadaloo replacement like S.I.N. was…

I agree 100%. It’s time to move on from Shadaloo and Bison. Let the Illuminati have their second chance.

[Cestus]

So anyway…

How do you guys feel now that Bison, Charlie and Marz (and maybe FANG?) are officially dead in the Street Fighter canon?

Bison dead?
Lol
Question is if he will be back in SFV cycle or in SF6

Charlie?
He was cool, i hope capcom invent some bullshit excuse for him to be alive

Marz?
Yay, but is soon to party, still 11 to go

Fang?
It’s ok, he gave everything as char in SFV