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I’m not 100% happy with her, but I disagree with you here. She didn’t “BEAT EVERYONE” she won against Rashid who may or may not have been feigning. I mean all of a sudden he did get out of the bar AND take the piece in one fell swoop.

Ibuki and Mika? C’mon man. She’s their super influential and powerful boss. Of course they’re gonna be wigged out at the thought of upsetting her. It’s a bit of comic relief and Mika’s been sponsored by her, Ibuki doesn’t want to screw up and piss off her entire clan. There are legitimate concerns with Karin’s portrayal, but these feel like you’re reaching a bit. If Zangief or Ken cowered then that’d be a problem.

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Rashid didn’t get the piece from her lol.

10151

The real plot twist now would be if the upcoming arcade mode was designed to tie up the loose story ends from the Story Mode.

10152

I guest the Akuma, Gouken, Rose, Sakura, Sagat and other fan favorites are mostly likely reserve for extending hype or divided for our seasonal expansion release.

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I hope to marz to return somehow like fang managed to comeback.

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She mopped the floor with Rashid. They went out of their way to show how easy it was for her. She mopped the floor with F.A.N.G… She beat the crap out of Enero, though that one I’ll admit isn’t saying much. It’s just frustrating that she didn’t even tie a single match. She won every time. Other characters that never really lost include Vega (who tied with Juri), Juri (who tied with Vega and Rashid), Alex and Urien (each only got one fight). But these guys either at least tied or only ever got one fight. With Karin she literally can’t settle for anything else other than constantly winning. And on top of that she’s supplying basically every resource and almost all the information, and she’s gathering everyone and leading them all into victory.

10154

Who needs an arcade mode?

10155

What arcade mode?

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Being a King of Shadoloo didn’t stop him being a complete jobber. Counting character stories the only people he beat were Rashid and Marz. He lost against every other character he fought. Rashid would eventually get his win back. His title damn sure don’t come from his fighting prowess.

Your crazy if you think Guile and Chun were made to look bad to make Karin look good. Guile’s and Chun’s losses came before Karin took a major role in the story. Karin was nowhere in sight when Guile and Chun got handed their asses in New York.

10157

Holy crap at that Decapre footage!

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So, finished the Story mode finally(and then spent hours catching up on this thread)

Like the way it plays even more than MK9’s. Though the story itself isn’t as satisfying.

[details=Spoiler]Really annoyed at how little is done with Necalli. No explanation of what is is, where he comes from. Nor does he really do anything. I feel like they planned more for him and ran out of time to implement it, or they’re going to do more with him in Season 2.

It’s weird that he’s in the intro with Nash, because he doesn’t seem to actually care about Nash for the rest of the story.

Only explanation I have for that opening is that Necalli consumes the souls of dead warriors, and when they brought Nash back from the dead, it opened the door for Necalli to enter the world.

And annoyed they brought back Nash just to immediately kill him again.

Ed was pretty much a non-entity. Does more in Balrog’s Story prologue than he does in Story mode.

I liked all the Dolls. Obviously not fully fleshed out characters, but as a bunch of Cammy clones with a few unique specials, they were great. Especially Satsuki. Speaking of which, Satsuki pretty much proves that wielding a sword isn’t too much of an advantage. Zangief laughs in the face of swords!

I was not expecting the Dolls brainwashing to be 100% reliant on Psycho Power though, and that they’d be freed the instant the Psycho Power was turned off. I liked a lot of the Dolls as villains, and I’m sad they’re all good-guys now.

Helen being Kolin was the least surprising twist ever.

I kinda don’t approve of how EVERY character had to be directly involved in Bison’s plot this time. There were no characters just doing there thing in the background like SF usually has. Well, there are a few that start out that way, but then when the shit hits the fan, Karin is all “Form Voltron!” and calls in everyone, like it’s right out of the American cartoon.

Why don’t you fight Abel?![/details]

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The problem is not Karin being too relevant (too spammed yes)

The problem is Chun and Guile sucking

But Chun was just everyone punching bag, and Guile was no better

Then we can agree that less wierdos Karin/dolls fanservice will have improved the atmosphere… but again Chun/Guile problem was’nt too much Karin, was not enough Chun/Guile

Again, aside an insufferable amount of screen time they did’nt gave her any big key fight… if anything make a shitty doll her “rival” don’t put her too high

For Chun idk wich was the problem, probably the lack of a direct rival

For Guile it was Nash being BetterGuile

I liked Nash

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I think Ono did a terrible job with the handling of Ibuki. She’s from a hidden ninja village so she’s supposed to be humble. She should be a little more dignified and not let herself to be trampled by Karin only because she has the money. Ibuki shouldn’t care that much about high society and things like that. And they also made him in SF4 a stupid horny teenager :confused:

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Juri beat Rashid. She stopped because he wasn’t taking it seriously. Urien completely wrecked Nash. He was laying after that fight was done. As for Karin’s fights, she fought Dhalsim to a standstill in her character story. Can’t really determine the outcome of her fight with Gief. They congratulated each other afterward and went their separated ways. Hard to grudge who actually won.

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Huh…I was under the impression an arcade mode of sort would be added eventually according to an EventHub article.


I may have jumped the gun a bit (which I apologize for) now that I reread the article but still, it sounded like arcade was a possibility eventually.

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I don’t think it was so much intentional and cut and dry as that, but when you make these things you’ve got to allocate time and resources. They got their asses handed to them then and there, yes. It’s just that in the final draft before even modelling the characters, I’m shocked no one said, hmm what are Chun and Guile doing again? In universe the problem isn’t Karin, but in reality, the issue comes from the writers devoting so much of the limited time to Karin as an anti-Shadaloo head that when we focus on those who have the most plot-relevance to Bison not even Shadaloo as a whole, but Bison, there’s little time left over for them.

It all came down to plotting rather than who she was. The plot could be slightly tweaked so that she kept her role as a focal resource, but changing some of the fights so that players and the story got a look at things from Chun li’s pov. It just stings because even the smaller character got their due with the limited time they goy. While it was a cool moment for Dhalsim to yoga fire those guards Chun could have used her spinning bird kick and some combos to wipe the floor with them. It’s about quality distribution; Laura got a lot less to do in the game than Chun or Karin, but the scenes featuring her showed off her personality, her connection and her fighting prowess. So in future scenes you got to see her knocking heads. Chun li showed up a few times, but the former strongest woman in the world didn’t get to do anything in a storyline that is absolutely vital to her character. Karin got lots of focus, got to fight and we got to play as her more than anyone else. I think a lot of this could have been solved if it was like “Hmm, okay change one scene and one fight to Chun”

Heck they could have changed the allocation of dolls. I loved the double Ojou moment, but if they had that then had an additional doll in the area and had Chun actually fight her that’d be some form of throwing us a bone.

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Like I’ve said before, starting with SF4, Capcom seems hellbent on tearing down Chun Li and Cammy. They have Chunr get beat by Viper in SF4. In SSF4 they have her get beat by Juri, and while she acquires S.I.N data, it serves no purpose to the plot and she has to be rescued by Gen, Able, and Guile. In SF5 the hits keep on coming again. Before, Chun located and fought Bison on her own and survived during A2. SFV retcons it by making it Vega, where he of course beats the crap out of her, has to be saved and schooled by Guile and Nash, before finally getting a pity victory over Vega. But why was that change made? It was absolutely pointless, especially since she doesn’t interact with Vega at all in the story mode. I would’ve been ok with the change if it lead to something, but it doesn’t.

We continue with Chun’s trash treatment in 5 by having her get her ass beat down by Bison AND Rashid( I swear with every new SF game, the creators must have it in their contracts to find a way for the new main character to body Chun Li). Chun, the head of the ICPO to investigate and fight Shadaloo, plays second fiddle to Karin Kanzuki in destroying Shadaloo, and in all honesty her role in SF3 is somewhat retconed as well. Urien says her legendary legs destroyed Shadaloo, but she does no such thing at all in SF5. Literally she does NOTHING to hinder Shadaloo. Her depiction in the SF5 story mode is so poor you have to wonder how exploits of Chun’s legendary leg even reached Urien anyway. And the final kicker is like you said, Capcom couldn’t pass up an attempt to have her be rescued AGAIN by some other character as she’s fleeing the exploding Shadaloo base. She was also stopped 4(!) times from fighting people in the CSM. Before SFIV everyone though Chun was a tough competent fighter who played a hand in destroying Shadaloo. 4 and 5 basically said that was all bullshit.

Cammy is suffering the same fate as Chun. Bodied by Viper. Bodied by Juri. And Jesus Christ, I think Vega bodied her 3 times(!) in the SF5 story mode. By the 3rd time I couldn’t believe they were having her get crapped on by Vega again. But it’s all good. We know she can lay the smack down on Officer Pete :s

It’s weird, of all the plot relevant/popular females, it appears Capcom hates Cammy and Chun the most. Rose is constantly depicted as strong(Beats Bison twice, beats a Seth clone) Juri, no explanation needed. We’re always told of how gifted Sakura is as a fighter, and Karin, well SF5 also CONSTANTLY tells us how powerful she is based on win quotes and the story. Ryu and others may get bodied sometimes, but they always ultimately prevail and usually kick the ass of the person who bodied them. That NEVER happens with Chun and Cammy. It’s unfortunate, but I’ve made peace with how shit they are now. They can’t fight worth a damn and now some of them don’t even have any story achievements to their name.

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Anyone else excited to see KOF XIV’s Story Mode after this? :smiley:

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That’s because everyone else was stalling Bison while Ryu powered up in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

I think the problem here was lumping too many characters into one group.

It was good that we had the Illuminati group. But then EVERYONE else was in Karin’s group. It would have been fine if Karin, Mika, Birdie and Ibuki was one group fighting Shadaloo, then Guile, Chun Li, Cammy was another.

That said, I don’t know why any of you are surprised that they did this with Karin. She’s the most popular character in Japan. Moreso than even Ryu.

I don’t think she’s actually dead. She “dies” the same way FANG did, and he was fine a few minutes later. You don’t see her or FANG actually die, so I don’t believe either is.

Ibuki has literally ALWAYS been that character. She’s always been a talented, yet scatterbrained, loud, boy-crazed excuse for a ninja. Ono did nothing here that she hasn’t been since the beginning.

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The KamehameHadoken Ryu uses at the end proves that Ryu is indeed a Z Warrior.

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Alright my opinions on the story

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The Good
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[] Rashid: Just everything about him was so good, from his humor to his friendliness, to his bromance with Nash, to him saving the world from the moons and avenging his friend. That ending scene with him was also probably my favorite scene in the whole story and really helped viewers emphasize. Capcom knocked it out of the park with him.
[] F.A.N.G.: He starts off strong, clearly a capable individual who orchestrated and executed all of Shadaloo’s plans for this story arc singlehandedly. But as things start to go wrong we see him deteriorate. By the end of it he’s practically a different character. Him easily beating Rashid at first and then being beaten by him near the end really brought things full circle.
[] Cammy: Her loyalty and devotion to the dolls was left intact. In fact, it was strengthened by the fact that she became a fugitive for them. And at last she succeeds in her goal of saving the dolls. Juri calling Cammy her friend was also a nice touch.
[] Birdie and Gief: They were both just so lighthearted and charming. Plus Zangief posing in the background as that blond Mary Sue gave her speech was hilarious.
[*] Dolls: All of them have so much personality this time around, and all of them got at least one unique special move (Though November, December and July got more than one) . Also Marz and her sacrifice officially makes her my favorite of the dolls.

The Okay
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[] Nash: I liked how he was portrayed; it was an edgy antihero done right. But his lack of interaction with Guile and the fact that he was the Chiaotzu to Bison’s Nappa didn’t allow me to enjoy his arc too much.
[] Ryu: I like that he wasn’t in the story too much, and I’m so glad he’s apparently finally done with that stupid SNH crap. But it felt like there was a huge gap in his story. After he stayed behind for “special training” (which wasn’t even elaborated on) he wass gone for too long and just suddenly ends up in Kanazuki Estate and beats up Necalli then goes to save the world? Ok. He also didn’t deserve to be the one to kill Bison.
[] Ken: I liked the bromance between him and Ryu. The Mel scene was adorable as well. But I’m pretty sure Capcom didn’t even try to make him the second main character. He sure as hell didn’t seem like it. I just feel like if he wasn’t present nothing would change.
[] Juri: I liked her friendship with Cammy and her fight with Vega, but she’s becoming too goody goody for the first villainess in SF if you ask me.
[] Vega: When he was around he was great. Like the writers didn’t do anything wrong with him in his scenes at all. The problem is that he has no reason to be there other than apparently to constantly kick Cammy’s ass lol.
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The Forgettable (all due to lack or purpose/good scenes)
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[] Ibuki
[] Mika
[] Laura
[] Dhalsim
[] Balrog
[] Alex
[] Urien
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The Bad
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[] Chun-Li and Guile: Wtf. Since SF2, their origin game, both of them have dedicated their lives to bringing down Shadoloo and have since worked together to do it. What did they do in the alpha games? Acquire motivations to stop Shadoloo. What did they do in SF2? Participate in the tournament to get to Bison and helped take down Bison (according to the SF4 prologue). What did they do in SF4? Invesitage SIN to try and find a link between them and Shadoloo so they can track and take down Bison. What do they do in SFV? They don’t do shit except get beat up. Chun-Li gets beat up more than Guile, but she at least scores a win (against FANG who just got beaten up by Rashid and fell from a long drop, how impressive). I literally laughed so hard when Ryu, Chun and Guile ran out of the crumbling base because why the hell was Guile with them in the first place? He literally accomplishes nothing. Chun-Li at least rescues Li-Fen, but of course, Capcom has to get that last blow to her character in there and have Ryu rescue them both. Also, what was the point of retconning Chun’s alpha 2 ending? They go from her surviving a battle with Bison and finding out that he killed her dad to Vega beating her up, then telling her that her dad died. This is like literally the only time when Vega and Chun don’t interact at all despite their long-lasting rivalry, so this change was for nothing other than taking a feat away from her anyways. You wanna know what other feat of hers they took away? Her legendary legs taking out Shadaloo. Yeah, right.
[] Karin: Fuck this Mary Sue who is singlehandedly responsible for Chun and Guile getting the shit end of the stick. Thanks for ruining the story, bitch.
[*] Necalli: Why is he even here? He literally does absolutely nothing of importance.
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