Rolento is our Heidern
In design, yes, but not in concept. They look a lot alike, but other than being military men, I canât see any more similarities.
False equivalency. Yes, Ansatsuken isnât an * real* martial arts, itâs a generic umbrella term which literally means âkilling artâ. Anything in the fighting world can be designated a âkilling artâ just as long as its designed to kill.
Senjutsu is all around based on esoteric magic, and it isnât a fighting style nor is it based on one. Sage arts are usually based on things like ki or energy manipulation which pretty much everyone in SF knows about.
Everyone can designate their art an Ansatsuken if theyâve designed techniques around it to kill, and any techniques which use ki energy is Senjutsu.

mykka:
Rolento is our Heidern
In design, yes, but not in concept. They look a lot alike, but other than being military men, I canât see any more similarities.
Both are life-long military men devoted to creating a safe world through the judicious application of their personal, military mercenary-force.
#RolentoDidNothingWrong
Heidern is basically guileâŠ

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YagamiFire:
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Akumaâs record against other high level characters is something like this, correct?
Akuma vs Gen: 2-0 (W-W)
Akuma vs Gouken: 1-1 (W-L)
Akuma vs Oro: 0-0 (Draw)
Akuma vs Bison: 1-0 (W by SGS Sukerpunch) <- fixed to never happened
Akuma vs Garuda: 0-1 (L by bitchig out) <- SFEX
Akuma vs Gill: 1-0 (W by SGS Sukerpunch) <- classic Gill just conceding a win?Akuma vs Gouken is 1 W, 2 L. He lost to Gouken initially (Gouken fucked him up pre-SF), then won during SF1, then lost during SF4.
I am 99% sure Akuma vs Gill never happened.
Alpha 3=Attempts to take over Ryuâs body. He believes the full-power of Psycho Power would work perfectly with Ryuâs body.
Ryu just seem that man that born once every fuckton years, all masters in some way want to bring him to theyr way as successor⊠in some way all see in Ryu the future of theyr style
Bison- Psycho Power
Akuma- Satsui No Hado
Gouken- Mu no Ken
Oro- Whatever Oro doesOf the highest tier only Gill seem to ignore him, and Gen if we want count him there too
Gill may just still ignoring him (SF3) even if somehow he crossed his design (SFV) and is focused on Alex.
Also Gill is young himself doesânt seem in search of a different face from his own for the futureGen just doesânt strike ma as the Master that want an already grown-up disciple, seem more the type that want raise his own disciple from zero⊠ironically this is probably Oroâs mindset too, but in his eyes Ryu is some kind of promising child that must learn even to walk lol
For that reason i liked the dropped (?) concept of a Gen disciple, some kung fu badass in his 20s able to KTFO Yun and Yang at the same time =)At some point i think Ryu will left Oroâs way too to do his own thing, after all the true point of his arc is not the final fight with Akuma, but the end of his path as eternal student and reach the self awareness to have becomed a Master himself
Isnât Oro the Senjutsu master?
Yes, but Senjutsu may refer more to his martial art style, think like Akuma/Gouken doing Ansatsuken, while i was listing them more on âtypeâ of power used⊠see Akumaâs SnH or Goukenâs MnK
I donât know if was ever revealed the name of Oroâs ki/power (or if Oro will bother give it a name), that allow him to generate incredible abount of ki and express it in various ways: âsuper strenghtâ, telekinesis, gigantic ki sphere, etc
We may call it âbecome/being a Senninâ as Senjutsu is basically the martial art of the Sennin
Basically Ryu just started the junior class to become a Sennin, but i think he will drop it at some point⊠maybe due Oroâs philosopy. Ryu essentially is a force of good, where Oro trascended that concept wich may push him away from humanity
If you think about it Oro likely have the power to stop âbad guysâ to menace humanity, but he doesânt do shit
Essentially Oro is power for power (even if not in a negative/destructive way), where Ryu is naturally inclined to use power to save others
Senjustsu is not a martial art.
It is magic, astrology and only similar to saiminjutsu, which is still in and of itself, not a martial art, either.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ä»èĄ#Japanese
It is not whatever you saw on Naruto.
If you want go outside SF universe, "Ansatsuken " isânt a martial art either lol
In SF world Senjutsu it is a martial art, even if mostly refer to Oroâs hermit techniques of meditation/internal energy development
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"Senjutsu (ä»èĄ, lit. âMystic Artsâ, âSage Techniquesâ, Xiâan Shen) is the name of a Chinese martial art of mythical and legendary proportions. It is said to have been used by the immortal mountain hermits of Taoist myth, and is centered on the exercise and mastery of oneâs ki.One such character, Oro, is a master of Senjutsu (called a Sennin) that appears as a playable character in the series. "*
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Senjutsu
Senjutsu is Oroâs official martial art as Ansatsuken is Akuma/Goukenâs martial art
Itâs true tough that he likely have a martial art base of something else not listed in profile of his younger days when he was a young strong martial artist and still didânt done hermitism and magic shit
False equivalency. Yes, Ansatsuken isnât an * real* martial arts, itâs a generic umbrella term which literally means âkilling artâ. Anything in the fighting world can be designated a âkilling artâ just as long as its designed to kill.
Senjutsu is all around based on esoteric magic, and it isnât a fighting style nor is it based on one. Sage arts are usually based on things like ki or energy manipulation which pretty much everyone in SF knows about.
Everyone can designate their art an Ansatsuken if theyâve designed techniques around it to kill, and any techniques which use ki energy is Senjutsu.
Yes but still Senjutsu is listed as Oroâs fighting style, pretty much as Dhalsim have Yoga as his fighting style or Rashid have fucking Parkour lol
At least in Oroâs case he got a traditional martial arts base (from when was younger before the whole sennin hermit stuff) not mentioned in the profile at the âfighting styleâ voice, probably old school Ju Jitsu or maybe Ninjutsu
I love Heidern being a father to his men, type of military leader, and if they draw from a bit of that for Byron, it could be a nice touch.

Adon is the Star Scream of Muay Thai.
YES!!! Before SF4 gave him his first english voice, I always pictured him sounding just like that! Dudeâs just too fun

Darc_Requiem:
YagamiFire:
Alright, alrightâŠ
This thread is generally drama free.
Go to your neutral corners, gents.
Okay?
This is why Iâm glad you have two Aegis Reflectors. If they donât go to their corners you can put them there
And I will too. This shit is rapidly filling my V-trigger.
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Also just to offer something
Karin fix
http://oi67.tinypic.com/21j52eq.jpg
Mini edit of a previous edit, Remy with actual double color savate suit, wich is more like actual savate ones
My suggestionsâŠ
Sound something that will look cool but at same time âtoo urbanâ compared to what i got in mind as SF design, so why i gave a try to Hippie Remy from Capcom sketches or the savate theme
I mean it will look cool but in a KoF way more than SF one⊠wich doesânt depend from your suggestion, but more on Remy itself being essentially âwrongâ as SF design⊠he doesânt rep his martial art, his nationality, a famous fighter/figure or some crazy iconic culture/style.
Ironically the most distictive trait of him was just have green hair, wich probably was the detail i liked less lol
Essentially i think they just missed on purpose the boat of take theyr first good idea with Hippie-Remy and the whole hating fighters thing, it will have been SF iconic with an adeguate moveset to support it, instead they gone for something they surely thought more marketable (ironic everybody hate him lol) that was there as âwe can KoF too!â lol
Too keep that line at this point i prefer just CFAS Rook (both him and D.D. have an heavy SNK wannabism) who was basically a better designed Remy with more originality/uniqueness without resort to the green hair gimmick
Agree on hating the red in him lol, ever thought color scheme was the worst part of his already not stellar design, but i keept some link to it anyway to donât go to much on my way or too far from original source (or first move was remove these damn green hair)
Thanks to the suggestion btw, i appreciated it and was well thought

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Also just to offer something
Karin fix
http://oi67.tinypic.com/21j52eq.jpg
Mini edit of a previous edit, Remy with actual double color savate suit, wich is more like actual savate ones
God art stuff,good work boy,i have a question,if oro has superhuman streng like akuma,why he dont abuse that power,and another thing,can ya do a dan and oro edit,im curious about how ya make them
Ok, i will edit Oro next, even if i already like the simplicity of his current design, but can be fun material
About Dan i got a kinda joke edit trasformation into Gouken, but i canât find it lol
Heindern is Big Boss.
Rolento is like a goofy parody of Big Boss.

YagamiFire:
Darc_Requiem:
YagamiFire:
Alright, alrightâŠ
This thread is generally drama free.
Go to your neutral corners, gents.
Okay?
This is why Iâm glad you have two Aegis Reflectors. If they donât go to their corners you can put them there
And I will too. This shit is rapidly filling my V-trigger.
Cestus:
Also just to offer something
Karin fix
http://oi67.tinypic.com/21j52eq.jpg
Mini edit of a previous edit, Remy with actual double color savate suit, wich is more like actual savate ones
My suggestionsâŠ
Sound something that will look cool but at same time âtoo urbanâ compared to what i got in mind as SF design, so why i gave a try to Hippie Remy from Capcom sketches or the savate theme
I mean it will look cool but in a KoF way more than SF one⊠wich doesânt depend from your suggestion, but more on Remy itself being essentially âwrongâ as SF design⊠he doesânt rep his martial art, his nationality, a famous fighter/figure or some crazy iconic culture/style.
Ironically the most distictive trait of him was just have green hair, wich probably was the detail i liked less lolEssentially i think they just missed on purpose the boat of take theyr first good idea with Hippie-Remy and the whole hating fighters thing, it will have been SF iconic with an adeguate moveset to support it, instead they gone for something they surely thought more marketable (ironic everybody hate him lol) that was there as âwe can KoF too!â lol
Too keep that line at this point i prefer just CFAS Rook (both him and D.D. have an heavy SNK wannabism) who was basically a better designed Remy with more originality/uniqueness without resort to the green hair gimmick
Agree on hating the red in him lol, ever thought color scheme was the worst part of his already not stellar design, but i keept some link to it anyway to donât go to much on my way or too far from original source (or first move was remove these damn green hair)
Thanks to the suggestion btw, i appreciated it and was well thought
Youâre absolutely right that Remyâs design is not really functional for classic SF. For nuSF including 5? Eh. Could work. Current designs are weaker now though in general so thatâs less a compliment to Remy and more an indictment of current designs.
I absolutely agree that Rook is a much stronger design. Again, itâs not very SF-traditional but itâs a strong, striking design in general.

Heidern is basically guileâŠ
Nah Guile is apparently both more popular and has appeared in more games for his franchise. Wasnât Kim supposed to be his direct comparison in Capcom vs. SNK games?
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ruthless_nash:
Heidern is basically guileâŠ
Nah Guile is apparently both more popular and has appeared in more games for his franchise. Wasnât Kim supposed to be his direct comparison in Capcom vs. SNK games?
In the first crossover (SNK Vs Capcom: Match of the Millennium), Leona was his rival. Pretty good pairing.
I donât think he had one in the Capcom Vs SNK games, though. In fact, unlike MotM, there were lots of characters that ended up not having rivals.
Not sure if it counts, but he has a special intro with Rugal where he slices a statue of himself in half with a sonic boom.

Yeah, I always liked that one.
I believe thatâs the only special intro Guile has. Surprised that he doesnât have one with Bison.

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YagamiFire:
Darc_Requiem:
YagamiFire:
Alright, alrightâŠ
This thread is generally drama free.
Go to your neutral corners, gents.
Okay?
This is why Iâm glad you have two Aegis Reflectors. If they donât go to their corners you can put them there
And I will too. This shit is rapidly filling my V-trigger.
Cestus:
Also just to offer something
Karin fix
http://oi67.tinypic.com/21j52eq.jpg
Mini edit of a previous edit, Remy with actual double color savate suit, wich is more like actual savate ones
My suggestionsâŠ
Sound something that will look cool but at same time âtoo urbanâ compared to what i got in mind as SF design, so why i gave a try to Hippie Remy from Capcom sketches or the savate theme
I mean it will look cool but in a KoF way more than SF one⊠wich doesânt depend from your suggestion, but more on Remy itself being essentially âwrongâ as SF design⊠he doesânt rep his martial art, his nationality, a famous fighter/figure or some crazy iconic culture/style.
Ironically the most distictive trait of him was just have green hair, wich probably was the detail i liked less lolEssentially i think they just missed on purpose the boat of take theyr first good idea with Hippie-Remy and the whole hating fighters thing, it will have been SF iconic with an adeguate moveset to support it, instead they gone for something they surely thought more marketable (ironic everybody hate him lol) that was there as âwe can KoF too!â lol
Too keep that line at this point i prefer just CFAS Rook (both him and D.D. have an heavy SNK wannabism) who was basically a better designed Remy with more originality/uniqueness without resort to the green hair gimmick
Agree on hating the red in him lol, ever thought color scheme was the worst part of his already not stellar design, but i keept some link to it anyway to donât go to much on my way or too far from original source (or first move was remove these damn green hair)
Thanks to the suggestion btw, i appreciated it and was well thought
Youâre absolutely right that Remyâs design is not really functional for classic SF. For nuSF including 5? Eh. Could work. Current designs are weaker now though in general so thatâs less a compliment to Remy and more an indictment of current designs.
I absolutely agree that Rook is a much stronger design. Again, itâs not very SF-traditional but itâs a strong, striking design in general.
Basically Rook had the whole feather/angel theme that supported well his design making his aesthetic interessing and his acrobatic flying kick style fitting, when you achieve that everything flow nicely. Also had D.D. as visual opposite, wich helped a lot too
They had that brute/devil/punches/red energy vs elegant/angel/kicks/azure energy thing going on, wich while not super original keept the design solid and easy to âunderstandâ
Even the clothes are urban and KoFish, but still designed in a way to be a decent potential SF design, the whole image work

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âIt seems that those who saw that figure will die after 24 hours.â
Pls be an hint at #2 character being Death



He can be a nice ânew Belgerâ for Metro City
Game, set, match.

YagamiFire:
Cestus:
YagamiFire:
Darc_Requiem:
YagamiFire:
Alright, alrightâŠ
This thread is generally drama free.
Go to your neutral corners, gents.
Okay?
This is why Iâm glad you have two Aegis Reflectors. If they donât go to their corners you can put them there
And I will too. This shit is rapidly filling my V-trigger.
Cestus:
Also just to offer something
Karin fix
http://oi67.tinypic.com/21j52eq.jpg
Mini edit of a previous edit, Remy with actual double color savate suit, wich is more like actual savate ones
My suggestionsâŠ
Sound something that will look cool but at same time âtoo urbanâ compared to what i got in mind as SF design, so why i gave a try to Hippie Remy from Capcom sketches or the savate theme
I mean it will look cool but in a KoF way more than SF one⊠wich doesânt depend from your suggestion, but more on Remy itself being essentially âwrongâ as SF design⊠he doesânt rep his martial art, his nationality, a famous fighter/figure or some crazy iconic culture/style.
Ironically the most distictive trait of him was just have green hair, wich probably was the detail i liked less lolEssentially i think they just missed on purpose the boat of take theyr first good idea with Hippie-Remy and the whole hating fighters thing, it will have been SF iconic with an adeguate moveset to support it, instead they gone for something they surely thought more marketable (ironic everybody hate him lol) that was there as âwe can KoF too!â lol
Too keep that line at this point i prefer just CFAS Rook (both him and D.D. have an heavy SNK wannabism) who was basically a better designed Remy with more originality/uniqueness without resort to the green hair gimmick
Agree on hating the red in him lol, ever thought color scheme was the worst part of his already not stellar design, but i keept some link to it anyway to donât go to much on my way or too far from original source (or first move was remove these damn green hair)
Thanks to the suggestion btw, i appreciated it and was well thought
Youâre absolutely right that Remyâs design is not really functional for classic SF. For nuSF including 5? Eh. Could work. Current designs are weaker now though in general so thatâs less a compliment to Remy and more an indictment of current designs.
I absolutely agree that Rook is a much stronger design. Again, itâs not very SF-traditional but itâs a strong, striking design in general.
Basically Rook had the whole feather/angel theme that supported well his design making his aesthetic interessing and his acrobatic flying kick style fitting, when you achieve that everything flow nicely. Also had D.D. as visual opposite, wich helped a lot too
They had that brute/devil/punches/red energy vs elegant/angel/kicks/azure energy thing going on, wich while not super original keept the design solid and easy to âunderstandâ
Even the clothes are urban and KoFish, but still designed in a way to be a decent potential SF design, the whole image work
I definitely agree. I am actually a pretty big fan of D.D. and Rook. Their profile pics are often the wallpaper for my phone. Iâd be all aboard getting them in SFV

Not sure if it counts, but he has a special intro with Rugal where he slices a statue of himself in half with a sonic boom.
http://freeforumsigs.com/ffs_gallery/albums/batch/zzzsingle%20pictures/CvSRugal4.gif
This is actually a reference to King of Fighters 94 where Rugal (who covers his still-living defeated opponents in liquid metalâŠhow awesome is that?!) has a statue in-game that looks like Guile.