Put meepo in your top tier list as well.
Fucking godlike hero if you know how to micro.
not really
Ya and you’re not really a good player.
lol, not much to say about this other than, god you’re bad.
If you have NA, you can pretty much make sure no other person ever GETS to late-game.
If I got NA and I’m solo, I’m getting a dagon. lvl 7 NA with a dagon when everyone else is still between lvls 4-6 is just UNFAIR. It’s like a guaranteed first blood. Then you just keep ganking people and pushing. If you have a good NA on a good team, the game is never reaching late game.
Ursa is one of the best 1 v 1 chars in the game, but he can be beat by Void, Troll, and even Spiritbreaker. Ursa doesn’t really help his TEAM much tho. He’s got 1 AOE slow and no stuns/disables/globals/helpful auras like most of the people on the top/high tier list. Not to mention Ursa is fairly easy to kill, he doesn’t have much HP. A good Rhasta or Lion can solo him.
Also, I dunno why SB isn’t considered pretty good. He’s at LEAST as good as Sand King imo… He’s got a decent stun/escape move in charge of darkness, got a good stun in his ulti, hell he’s even got a helpful aura.
Any reason why Lich/Rooftrellen aren’t ranked high in team games? Those two have a LOT to offer most groups…
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Are you playin EM games?? Cause you’re not getting a dagon at level 7 with nerub against any person that has a clue what theyre doing.
And you guys got your whole criteria of what makes a good hero all mixed up. You can’t form an opinion of how good a hero is based on how well it works with another hero. Thats a whole different arguement. Why don’t you say “this combo is top tier” or whatever. Support heros are not top tier at all.
The day you can kill ursa 1on1 with lion . . . I’ll quit dota altogether
I’ve played AR non-EM tda games and gotten a dagon with nerub at lvl 7-8. But then, the highest level comp I’ve ever played was TDA people, so you might have a point with that “against any person that has a clue”.
Also, on Ursa vs Lion, it depends on their level. If they’re both lvl 7 - 11, Lion has a fairly straightforward and rather easy fight. Ursa’s HP is usually pretty shitty.
If they’re both 25, yeah ursa would probably win, depending on items.
Rhasta could rape him tho…
Also, by your criteria are you only rating how good heroes are by how well they perform 1 v 1? Because then Zeus is nowhere near top tier.
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yes because you’ve never seen me play and are a great judge of me because of that.
if meepo was a good hero, hed be used more in practically every league/tournament, as opposed to almost never in even the lowest end of games.
I remember I killed a tidehunter(kraken skin) as lion, we were the same level and he was at full health, still couldn’t believe I did it. I had a guinsoo though. So I had him stunned for about 15 seconds. Stun, hex, hex with stick, you’ll be able to repeat if they are still in range of your impale once it coolsdown. I’m pretty sure you can do the same for Ursa.
The tier list was made with a tournament setting in mind. I hear tournament games only last for about 30 minutes on average, making most late game heroes terrible (like Ursa and Meepo). And Meepo is a good hero, but not top tier at all. He’s a good carry, but he gets owned by heroes with huge nukes (Ogre Magi, Lina, Lion) or AOE (Axe, Tidehunter, Leshrac, probably a good Dark Seer too), although big nukers are probably his most feared match ups. One huge nuke and a disable = dead Meepo.
Also, I’m not sure how you could NOT think Warlock is a really, really good hero. He’s one of the best support heroes/pushers in the game, hands down.
anything that can isolate a singular meepo is also incredibly good against him (pudge, vs, dark seer and to an extent es who basically counters meepo in 5 different ways anyway).
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anant you’re honestly horrible at dota and I own you every single time I play against you. . . And whenever we’re on the same team, you get shit on by nathan and we’d lose everytime.
You guys are buncha strat forum readers so I wouldn’t expect you to know anything useful. I usually don’t say anything is good unless I’ve tried it myself and proven it to be effective. I had a vanguard with ursa at level 5 when I played him and no one was able to stop me.
Warlock is shit because diffusals own his ultimate. I’ll get a diffusal blade just to spite the person who picks warlock.
And Zeus is awesome in a 1 on 1 match up. Go ahead and try to control a lane when you’re eating the ass end of a chain lightning every 5 seconds and hes getting 1 or 2 creep kills per cast. Lets see how long you’ll last.
and for those who say meepo is bad. Lets see how you think you should build him. I can remember more than a few times I’ve carried my team with meepo and made rediculous come backs, even with some lanes pushed to super creeps.
I’m horrible? Every time we played, you feed, bitch, and threaten to PP. Every single time. You know there’s a reason Sauga crew never wanted to play with you.
And when me and Nathan play… we’d win everytime you WEREN’T playing with us. You think they shit on me? You should have heard how much they shit on YOU on vent. The funny thing is, they wanted to play with me, but would flat out refuse to play with you because you were so terrible, and had zero understanding of the game.
Your standard response to everyone is “do you only play Pub games”? Sadly, every single one of your “strats” is pure pub style. You base hero performance on YOUR individual performances in shitty games. You think support heroes are crap, AND YOU SHIT ON THE IDEA OF HEROES WORKING TOGETHER IN A TEAM GAME.
Stop talking about 1 on 1 match ups. DOTA isn’t about 1 on 1 matchups you fucking clown. DoTA is a TEAM GAME.
You’ve already clowned on yourself enough in the past few posts. Seriously, that shit was worse than Cisco’s 2 Linkens. Stop trolling the thread, holy fuck. I honestly thought the post I quote previously was a joke, I had to read it twice before I realized you were serious.
There’s this one hero that came out a few patches ago, Storm. His shield can help him outlane Zeus easily along with any other heavy casting hero.
lol youre so fucking dumb.
People from sauga never refused to play with me, they just stopped playing completely.
I dont care what nathan thinks or what you douche bags would say on vent, he challenged me to play 1on1 for money and I owned his soul. I’ll own him, you or any other scrub that you play with any day of the week.
I never shit on the idea of heros working together. You just cant read for shit.
I used to play with one of the top dota clans that was around. This was before you even knew what dota was. So I know more than any of you think you know about team matchups.
I love how you bring up my shit talking and use that as a reason to say I suck at the game. You’ve obviously never competed in anything in your life to know that shit talking is a part of every game in existance. I threaten to pull and talk shit cause its hilarious to see how you people react. You’re probably all steamed and red in the face while I’m sitting back laughing at ypu.
I shit on support heros because most people aren’t able to keep up with the pace that I’m playing at. I handle things on my own when I know I can.
I’ve never been in a game with you where you turned out a positive record and you’re gonna tell me that I feed :lol: Get real. Have you learned how to last hit yet?
You’re so crap it boggles the mind. Go read your dota-allstars.com/forums strategy guide some more you scrub. Or go play with your srk friends who think Treads/ S&Y is the best item combo for any hero.
Ya, Storm is a pain in the ass to deal with when you’ve got a caster 1on1 in a lane. Still not impossible though.
nerub is by far the most irritating hero to lane with
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The only reason i’d be red in the face is laughing so hard at you. Like, i’m having trouble believing you’re actually serious about the shit you say about DoTA. I guess you’re just that bad…
Top dota clans around? Dota didn’t even get competetive until around 5.84c, and even then competition was scarce. I used to scrim vr all the time, and they were the best clan in west. So good that they moved east because of the lack of competetion on west.
Good list desi, i kinda made mines from looking at picked and banned heroes on replays, and i used my list for htgn league.
Meepo is a horrible hero, 34-40 base dmg at lvl 1, you’ll be lucky if u can even get a single creep kill with him. By the time you hit lvl 6, you’ll be outleveled by atleast 3-4 levels. His late game is shit compared to void and bb, so it’s useless to have another hero babysit him. Meepo can’t jungle for shit unless you want to feed.
I always laugh at people who want to 1v1 me. I always assume they mean ladder because
1v1 dota is as stupid as 1v1 baseball.
Yeah but once you hit lvl 6 you’re farming gold/xp at least 2x faster than everyone else…
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