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first off… i think a lot of cats are confusing who are ‘old heads’ an who have some time put in but havent reached that og status

next… i dont care bout any of the new games honestly. i dont think theyre ass just a different learning curve and with that i can say my old ass just dont have TIME to dedicate to learning the structure an the games core like i did ST, A2-3, some CvS 2

I like seeing you seniors an youngins have yall bickering cause ive experienced the SAME shyt back in the day wit the games i was into… expect there were complaints on the level of too hard… broken… not enough variety.

lastly i think though u hear the ‘saltyness’, trolls or complaints…people are still playing and watching. the community is actually gaining members n stayin alive. So first understand who is sayin the game is ass an then if they do ASK an take their opinion for what it is…a opinion. hell people can say its ass an STILL PLAY top notch.

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Please see below comment.

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that’s partially me, koop, for categorizing all oldheads in the high sodium level group. i realize that’s it’s not all of you guys but definitely most. that is, you don’t see alot of new/novices saying the game is bad.

but i definitely can understand what you’re saying

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truth

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in case yall didnt know, TvC3 is a bad game, WORD!

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It’s easy for you to retort with that rather than understand what I’m saying, but I don’t believe you’ve spent any meaningful time with a real game so meh.

I think HAV likes Super SF4 because he views Street Fighter as a concept. Positioning, spacing, reactions, footsies… as long as it’s there, it must be Street Fighter. I think that’s dumb, El Fuerte and Abel and Viper and Rufus and Option Selects dominating the game (note, dominating, not that they exist period) aren’t Street Fighter to me.

I view Street Fighter specifically. A type of style dominates the game (zoning, fireballs/uppercuts) and players play around that. It’s why I respect Shotos, while most new players think they’re ez mode. So while I can tolerate Alpha 2, adore any version of Street Fighter 2, or have some fun with CVS2’s insanity… I loathe SF4.

Because I don’t view SF4’s game being spiritually or conceptually similar, I think it spits in the face of what real SF is. I think Alpha 3 sucks too, so, hey. In SF4, all I see is that you get rewarded for getting punched in the face, what is traditional Street Fighter is raped in favor of “Sick canned mixxx ups”, and the things that make Street Fighter interesting are lost in favor of creating situations where you’re playing Street Fighter 3 without parries. And if you don’t believe me, look at AE and the people who ARE good at 4. Arturo said as much if you want that “cred.”

I don’t view Street Fighter as a concept, I view it very specifically. Real Street Fighter has real uppercuts, real damage, better pacing, and it still manages to be about match ups and a game where things are dominant because they’re good, not because they’re distilled. You don’t get rewarded for getting beat up, and the game doesn’t feel like a canned thought process for characters that used to have 4-5 frame medium normals without 10-11 frames of whiff recovery so that I can work in systems that reward people who suck (Focus Attack, Ultra).

What’s added doesn’t replace what is taken away to me. I don’t enjoy Street Fighter as a concept, so I say again:

Ono sucks. Try spending some time with a real game, you speak in generalities and if I get specific I just waste my time. Play what you want and stop asking about why old folks like old things lol.

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i just found out that if i put n-iori in the back
and he has 3 bars when he dies, he comes back as orochi iori

1588

rofl it was a change topic thing but eh i see it didnt work lol

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wait, so TLDR; version = you don’t like the evolution of Street Fighter.

or that is, you don’t consider Street Fighter… Street Fighter because of the way it has evolved. in which case, i don’t think you should be using the term “real Street Fighter” as opposed to “Street Fighter 2” or “Street Fighter 3” especially if you’re addressing it as a specific level.

the reason why Hav looks at it is a concept because Street Fighter is a concept, unless, you believe that SF shouldn’t be able to change its mechanics to stay being a SF game. at least thats my view on it

i respect your opinion tho, but i can’t agree with it. i think if you view Street Fighter specifically then you’re viewing each SF game as a separate entity. actually to deny SF4 being “a real Street Fighter” makes me think that you do look at SF as a concept; just one that does not involve the mechanics being used today

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They won’t cause they are new/novice. Now as time progresses an they become good an learn their skill/style an that new game comes out that rocks their world-- or forces them to adjust in ways they cant either a)adapt or b)keep up… you will see a rinse and repeat. Same stuff. same complaints from the group that were considered novice/new…

It makes me laugh cause its a little fast… with all the NEW games. Its like we havent allowed a marinating period or that time to learn to adjust to shyt before some new shyt comes out… i mean SF4… cries an complaints… SSF4… cries an complaints… now SF4AE… sweet mercy just as you learned your style/skill u have to toss it out an start over… no time to learn something so it can translate over…

so wit mvc 3 everyone is losing. its random RIGHT NOW. praying they dont drop some remix by the end of the year or another patch to re-nerf shyt hopefully people will learn to eliminate the complaints we’ve been hearing…

I stress this also to any newcomer… u cant let someone troll or divert what your doing. just keep playin regardless of what folks are sayin cause people are still tuning in…

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He’s trolling my Internet now?! GOOD SHIT!

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sooooo me beating who for 2nd (RyRy) twice in winners and grands, who got 2nd last week and 3rd this week (offstein who ALSO PLAYS PHOENIX AND SENT! again not hatin just stating facts ), who got 3rd last week and 4th this week (Asian Daisy), who got 7th last week and 5th this week (Josh Leung who also uses PHOENIX AND SENT) wasnt enough? my bracket was CLEARLY easy, trust me i kno

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ok cool, Thank you

That was seriously all Eric Kims fault. lol

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Evolution? Hmm… let’s see. Guile low forward being 8 frames of start up to 5 active frames to 9 Frames of recovery toooo

7 Frames of start up, 4 active frames and 14 FRAMES OF RECOVERY in Super Street Fighter 4. How is that an evolution? What does Focus Attack add to the game by taking away what used to be a normal you defeated solely with spacing and footsies? You know why that move recovers in 14 frames? Cause some asshole wants it to be focusable and he doesn’t get that that move being fast is what helped Guile zone in the first place. Other moves replaced it to help Guile, but they’re all in the same fashion of nerfed or muted options.

You take things away, and you replace them with shit that’s more mix up based. You rape zoning so that dumb ass SNK characters can “evolve” Street Fighter. I mean, you don’t know this shit, you say you’ve spent enough time with old games and I say you haven’t. You’re not thinking about this shit, but then again, and this is my point:

Most people who complain about SF4 aren’t doing it either. At least I take the time to understand the game and then just not play it. But if you ask “Why do old heads hate new games”, here’s my response: Spend some time with an old game.

If you don’t want to study frames and have to figure out how to beat THIS: [media=youtube]ti6J4fFPPf4[/media] <-- Just stop asking man. It’s such a dumb fucking question, just play your game.

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I never thought MvC3 would create some serious saltiness. And I thought it was bad from SFIV.

I personally like SSFIV and MvC3. Call me new school or whatever but I have played a LOT of Street Fighter and King of Fighters in the past; with Alpha 1 and KOF XI/NGBC being my personal favorite.

For me, it was always hard for me to play fighting games and to measure my skill against another because I didn’t really know anyone whom I can have some matches with. Although I am not as good as most of you guys, I still have a blast getting some matches with and learning a lot about SF from HAV and everyone else. I actually start going to Xanadu exactly a year ago and I just got decimated by EVERYONE I played that day. From that point, I realized that I couldn’t hold my own to save my ass.

Look, bottom line is if we all want to get better, let’s just step our shit up and learn from one another, OG’s and the newer generation alike.

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dude, it really just sounds like you’re salty cuz SF4 isn’t like SF2.

stuck in the past…
of the yesteryears…

like it’s not that the game is ass. it just… doesn’t play like your precious SF2 thus it is ass. not even by comparison, but because of the fact that it’s different.

not sure why you’re still throwing the whole “spend time with an old game” thing around. me telling u that i have experience with old games from several platforms apparently doesn’t mean anything

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I like Super because bad players can’t win. The damage is too low, so in order to win, you have to make a number of correct decisions, and put yourself in favorable positions a lot. Trade -> big damage was taken out, so there’s no more “Whoops!!! 70% gone!” shit like in Vanilla.

I just feel like in SSF4, the better player wins more often than not, without having to grant undue respect to the worse player.

In any game, the better player will always win out, if the better player plays within the confines of the game. The problem with this in Vanilla SF4, and in MvC3’s current form is that every single player with fingers has to be granted the utmost respect, so the confines of the game are really strict, and not particularly fun or rewarding.

I also don’t like Alpha 3, for a lot of the same reasons Corrosive doesn’t… but I’m not a purist to the same extreme. I hope with all my heart that Capcom decides to revisit the Alpha series though. I doubt they will, but I think even Capcom recognizes that Alpha is the technical players’ home, and they would stay true to that. Alpha 4 would have to be a scrub killer, and I don’t know that Capcom will ever make another one of those. I really don’t understand why, since casual players are gonna play the games the same way, whether there are scrubby systems/characters put in place, or not.

Oh well… rambling.

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Sf4 is a bunch of rubbish sf3 was rubbish also imo but parrying made the game what it is. It gave the player options as it stands in my eyes there are no options in sf4. There is no true safe offense that a player should have after knock down easy inputs the grabbing system and just the mindset of players killed it for me. No true wiff punishes no meter building its just stupid. Everyone has auto footies also everyone is a superstar John from vero road will prob fuck you up if you never played him before. You have to account for the non sense that goes on. Its not as cut and dry as the better player will win that shit doesn’t happen really. The best player in the USA John Choi cant even place top 5 the best at everything in sf cant place top5 but people call it a good game? None of the new games are good im fine with that. I assume ttt2 will be somewhat bad also because of the for expert and novice players shit that’s going on in fg’s right now. Players can’t impose their will anymore there is no more play the player anymore that’s only of og’s when your playing a new player everything has to be auto pilot I can’t play like that.

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It really just sounds like you need to spend some time with a real game.

I mean, if you have enough time I can pay your way into the O Fei round robin at this Xanadu Monthly. You’ve got “Evolved” skills, right?

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There is plenty of safe offense in SF4. That is all SF4 is about. If you want to argue anything, it has to be that offense is too safe, and once you decide to really learn it, it gets braindead, to a certain degree.

And Choi could win at SF4, if he played. He just hadn’t been playing. He/Hsien won Texas Showdown (it was a 2-on-2 tournament) like 3 weeks ago.