While I respect what you’re saying, and I apologize as I do tend to jump off the deep end quickly, I think you ranking Paq or May in the top 10 is absolute blasphemy. And that might be why its upsetting for you to see people giving him a lot of respect. But the thing is, people these days who “watch” boxing know very little about the current or past history of the sport except those two guys. Ask anyone who ‘weighs’ in on those fighters during the times they are fighting and 98 percent of them don’t even know who triple G or the klitchko’s are.
With that in mind…neither May or Paq belong in the top 10. MAYBEEEEE top 20. The reason I feel this way is I think its important to examine the fighters who have been greats in and around their division before even considering naming them. You have guys like Hearns and Haggler who didnt even make your top 10 for some reason. (Haggler being VERY close to my #1 I’m shocked you didnt throw him in there but hey).
And that doesn’t even include some depth when you start to look at guys like Alexis Arguello, Aaron Pryor, Jake Lamotta, Bernard Hopkins, Oscar De La Hoya, Roy Jones Jr. I stretched a few weight classes all the way up to light heavyweight but I think the majority of the guys I named if they decided to meet in the middle were far better overall fighters than Mayweather or Pac man. And as far as dominance in the current era, the klitkcho’s are more or less gods and should be put WAY higher than either of those two. Between the two of them, they held all 6 heavyweight belts for a LONG ass time. The fucking monopolized the heavyweight division. Also note, de lay hoya almost beat Mayweather at the veryyyy tail end of his career. Had those fights been in De La Hoya’s prime he would have mopped the floor with May and Pac for that matter.
And finally, it’s like you said, regardless of Mayweather’s style, he can’t be ranked as an all time great because he wasn’t consistently fighting the best competition there was. Great fighters fight great opponents. It was also a weak era of boxing. But for most, unless you go back and watch old time great fights like me and some others, its the only one they know. Just my two cents.
Mayweather was still a great fighter. His style is very successful, effective, and smart but its just not for the spectator. But to discount him is stupid. If he had a great personality everyone would love him and praise how great and smart he is. Took me a while to stop hating him. But you gotta get over it.
First, i never said that Mayweather’s style forbids him in the all time rank i’m just saying his undefeated streak is bogus, like you said, DLH almost beat Mayweather but I think he actually beat mayweather when you watch the match again. It’s a fake winning steak and the people who hug his nuts like cutwest, thurst, etc are 21st century fans. Regardless, i don’t deny the mind, speed, and talent he has. There is more to boxing than just in-ring skill as well, it’s also being able to generate hype and make the fans happy. The reason why i have May and Pac over Haggler or Hearns is because both May and Pac have impacted the sport better than both of them IMO in that degree. We can theory fight for ages in terms of their boxing skill and that’s a meaningless argument. I enjoyed watching Pac’s fights and found him a one of a kind boxer during his prime, i didn’t feel the same way watching Hearns i just looked/viewed him as one of the best during that era of his. ODLH is arguable for the 10th spot but i do favor pac’s and mayweathers style a tad bit more, i strongly don’t see why RJJ or BH should be ranked above Pac or Mayweather, none of BH’s or RJJ’s fights brought any hype in comparison. I’m not saying Hype means everything because the results of the match do matter more, but both men never gave the same feeling of victory fans get unlike Mayweather and Pac has. LMAO at ou throwing in Alexis Arguello, Aaron Pryor, Jake Lamotta… you really want to view me as some kid who doesn’t know boxing because labeling Mayweather as a fraud? GTFO. Alexis, Lamotta and Pryor should not be in a top 10 over May, Pac, or DLH.
I hate Mayweather fans to be exact, they are all jack ass idiots who know nothing about boxing. They just favor the guy as a celebrity… if boxing in general started to produce more Mayweather’s this would be a dead sport and a joke of a martial arts.
As much as I hate that ginger mex I think he wins it based off youth and power. Plus Cotto lost to trout who canelo BARELY beat so meh on cottos experience argument (Even though styles make fights counters that but…whatever.) I honestly don’t give a damn who wins this one, but based solely on my hate for canela and golden girl promotions im rooting for Cotto by default. #TotallyNotBiased
Ahahaha have you even watched an Aaron Pryor fight. He was also undefeated for the record and more or less came back to ruin his undefeated record. Aaron Pryor would absolutely mop the floor with either Mayweathr or Pac. And for the record, Aaron Pryor was voted the greatest junior welterweight in boxing history. You CLEARLY dont know shit about boxing. Your arguements don’t make sense at all. Because the way the wins feels? What kind of bullshit is that. That makes 0 fucking sense and is the worst reasoning I’ve heard in my entire life. And while we’re on the topic did you even watch Haggler vs Hearns? Mayweather’s wins have never made anyone feel happy… Yet you rank him in the top 10? You, ranked Duran in your top 10… You do realize Haggler absolutely murdered him. You also do realize you ranked Duran above SRL when Duran got bested by him in the long run. You also said because they generated hype they were good boxers. Please GTFO. Ontop of that your list didnt even include Haggler or Hearns for some reason that made absolutely no sense. There is not a single person on this earth that ranks Haggler or Hearns lower than pac and mayweather. You even ranking them close to the top 10 is fucking fraudulent. I actually re-affirmed what I thought all along which is you’re probably fat… you’ve probably never boxed in your life, and you likely dont know shit about the sport.
LMAO, I knew were this was going, you went and pulled that “let me see your top 10” so you can have something to nitpick in your shit attempt to flex out your “greater knowledge” and my “inferior knowledge”. My list is no doubt opinionated – especially with the last two-- but it is reasonable, the problem is that poser ass bitches like yourself are really gunning to reply with something that shows off as superior knowledge, so anybody who reveals a list that contains current fighters of today in their top 10 of all time (It’s typical dumb fucker of the internet mentality, who thinks having fighters 10+ years ago makes them look knowledgeable… good job) is the green light for you to go “oh he doesn’t have a full list of fighters dating 20+ years ago so i know more than him --regardless of me knowing these 20+ years ago fighters via the internet… but i’ll keep that under wraps because i want to feel knowledgeable”.
So here you are doing the typical poser netizen tactic off the top 10 and leading in to the theory fight between who would win between Aaron Pryor and Mayweather/Pac. First of all, i don’t have to fully follow your taste of fighters. Second I disagree about Aaron Pryor being better than May or Pac, i think May and Pac have shown better styles and fights than pryor ever did. Even though i’ve been hating on Mayweather, i will not deny that his defense was the one of a kind… it was marvelous to watch and Pac managed to get up to 8 classes, that is record breaking and he excellently got those belts… same can’t be said with Pryor so why should i put him over both of them. If Pac and May were fighters of the early 1980’s while Pryor was of this generation, you would be nitpicking if i put him on the list just like you are doing now. You just came up here in hopes to catch me with this top 10 of yours and in reality it shows you to be the dumb ass and a predictable netizen punk.
BTW, I have watched Hearns vs Haggler, i even posted that as a reference in my past debates concerning Mayweather’s style. Please know what the fuck you are talking. Hearns and Haggler did not have the same amount of satisfying fights Mayweather had, but their match was allot better than the May/Pac because neither men ran through out the entire fight.
Your logic makes no sense man. It’s not based on facts. I’m not going to discuss this with you when youre not bringing up valid arguements. I’m honestly not trying to be rude but you keep on bringing up points that really aren’t legit. You say Mayweather had more satisfying fights… but we’ve gone over a million times his fights aren’t satisfying. In fact his fights are very unsatisfying. I would love to know some of his more satisfying fights because the only ones I can even think of were his fights with DLH and Castillo, both of which he arguably lost. That’s it… If you can tell me a fight that either May or Pac had that was more satisfying that Pryor vs Arguello 1 or 2 or Haggler vs Hearns, Haggler vs SRL, Duran vs SRL etc. I would like to know. And as well I don’t mind at all if you put in some recent fighters. If you had of put like a George Foreman it would have been legit. If you had of put in one of the Klitkscho’s that would have been totally legit. Hell, I’de even say Roy Jones Jr although I can understand based on your logic why he wouldn’t make your top 10 but i suspect that your credentials for ranking fighters does not line up with mine. I mean if you were actually watching Roy Jones in his prime he basically made an entire weight class go extinct for 10 years, and was so good he could style on his opponents. But that’s just our difference in opinion so that’s fine. I completely disagree with your point of view but thats life. Mine line of thinking based on your arguement is as follows: Mayweather and Pac do not belong in the top 10 without some of the other great fighters lining up in front of them based on your logic that they had more satisfying fights even though that logic makes really 0 sense at all as to how good of a fighter they are but hey… At least Haggler NEEDS to be above those two based on your logic. So does DLH for that matter too. That’s all I’m saying. You’re giving those two wayyy too much credit, especially during such a weak era of the sport. And you need to look back in order to really compare. The reason Haggler and Hearns get ranked so high is that was more or less the best Era of the sport. You had Haggler, Hearns, Duran, and SRL all in similar weight classes, all in their primes, fighting each other and having all out wars. You can put all 4 of those guys in any top 10 easily. And those were some freaking exciting fights man.
And again, this whole arugment comes back to the fact that you’re valuing Mayweather way too high. He’s not a top 10 GOAT. People aren’t going to give a shit about him in 2 years once he’s settled into retirement (and hopefully stays retired). That’s all I ever said. Again, I feel as though you’re more a fan of the current era then the previous one but maybe I’m wrong. Its just if you were I don’t think you would have the same point of view.
floyd was a great fighter who will be remembered most for taking so long to fight pacquiao and pioneering boxing reality shows and huge mega payouts for fights for himself
i like watching floyd train more than i like watching him fight tbh. his gym game is insane
are people mature enough to talk about PEDs in professional sports yet or are we still naive and believing that these athletes are 100 percent not on anything
Yes there is no top 10 that is going to look the same and if you actually browsed around you will find many who rank Floyd and/or Pac with in their top 10. I agree that Floyd wasn’t as fully satisfying because he fucking runs through out the entire fight BUT his style is still visible and it is still one of a kind. There is more to Floyd than just his in-ring style but the way he builds himself and the fight. Floyd’s mind is the sharpest i have ever seen. I thought his fight with Mosley, Maidana, Zab, Castillo, and practically everybody before DLH was pretty good. I’ll be it, they were not on the level of Duran or even Pacquiao fights but they were still pretty good. Floyd has shown a stye that we have not seen since SRL, while SRL was still better, Floyd’s mind just made it very unique. Floyd and Manny have the right to be in the top 10, please stop your typical “nuthugging of the old school”. I bet a million bucks that if Floyd and Manny were both from the 80’s while Pryor was a fighter of this time, your ass would be all “oh Floyd and Manny should be in the top 10”. I can see that right through you. There is nothing wrong with having Manny or Floyd in a top 10 because they have shown to be excellent, and both have characteristics that can’t be found in any past generation. I don’t need Haggler above either one of them, my list is good enough and i enjoyed more of Pacquiao’s fights than Haggler.
Yes there is no top 10 that is going to look the same and if you actually browsed around you will find many who rank Floyd and/or Pac with in their top 10. I agree that Floyd wasn’t as fully satisfying because he fucking runs through out the entire fight BUT his style is still visible and it is still one of a kind. There is more to Floyd than just his in-ring style but the way he builds himself and the fight. Floyd’s mind is the sharpest i have ever seen. I thought his fight with Mosley, Maidana, Zab, Castillo, and practically everybody before DLH was pretty good. I’ll be it, they were not on the level of Duran or even Pacquiao fights but they were still pretty good. Floyd has shown a stye that we have not seen since SRL, while SRL was still better, Floyd’s mind just made it very unique. Floyd and Manny have the right to be in the top 10, please stop your typical “nuthugging of the old school”. I bet a million bucks that if Floyd and Manny were both from the 80’s while Pryor was a fighter of this time, your ass would be all “oh Floyd and Manny should be in the top 10”. I can see that right through you. There is nothing wrong with having Manny or Floyd in a top 10 because they have shown to be excellent, and both have characteristics that can’t be found in any past generation. I don’t need Haggler above either one of them, my list is good enough and i enjoyed more of Pacquiao’s fights than Haggler.
Terrance Crawford fights tonight. I’ve been looking forward to his title defense since he got the strap. If he wins this he’ll be in great position for bigger fights. If Garcia didn’t move up in weight I would have LOVED to see Crawford vs him or Broner.
You make no sense… There is 0 point arguing with you when you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. You dont even have the proper intelligence to make logical responses to my comments. So I will just leave that alone. I should have done that before but I was too focused on proving my point lol. Anyways… I’ll take Cotto. Whats the bet?
Was a nice stoppage. Jean is a fraud though lol. Similar to pascal, like 97 percent of his fights have taken place in Montreal and he more or less refuses to fight outside Canada.
Poor Pascal… has to fight Kovalev again. He would have a chance as the fights in MTL (shocker lol) except that there is about 0 percent chance that he lasts all 12 rounds lol.
Actually, i’ve made perfect sense since the beginning. That whole listing of Mayweather at number 10 was just a rouse to rile you up and bait you to start arguing as to why Mayweather can’t be top 10. As you said it, he’s unsatisfying and your reference of fighters, especially the real defensive ones are examples as to why he isn’t a top 10. Although i do consider May an arguable top 10-15 the whole thing was just for you to start explaining the negatives about him which is the same thing i’ve been saying ever since. You see, lol… But yeah, with that out in the bag you will now try to focus on Pac on the list because you just want to argue for the hell of it.
I am routing for Cotto, but i am leaning towards Alvarez for the win here.