As I said, I can’t deny the hardware its merits. It’s just the company and the way they run things that scare me.
Well Part of me think Julie Uhrman, a game industry veteran is a good designer and developer but shes no business woman.
Her current goals are way too ambitious, and I think she should have waited a bit longer before releasing the Ouya at retail.
I see the wisdom releasing earlier than the new next gen consoles. What I do not see are the logistical skills Ouya needs at this time.
Lovely thread. Darksaul I have read that some Ouya Games like Shaowgun have some input lag issues, can you confirm if the emulations suffer the same? Thx in advance!
I haven’t played Shadowgun. I didn’t take any scientific measurements for any lag for the emulators.
But the ones I tried the there is either no lag or so little I didn’t notice.
No they aren’t. Gamestop isn’t stocking it in stores, and the vast majority of best buys aren’t (literally none in my state had them). Same for target
Nah, the thing will run hot and loud on many games, and if you somehow manage to brick your wii u, you have actual support to turn to
They originally said they were all shipped in march, but later stated their definition of shipped turned out to be different than everyone elses or something. Now they are being held hostage by some mysterious third party shipper (the ones not being held in customs anyway)
Wasn’t she with Direct2Drive? Yeah. yeah…
Don’t buy an ouya if you’re primarily interested in emulation - as noted before, there are many, many android devices that will do emulation and media playback as well as an ouya would, for less.
I am not even getting into actual emulation set ups on SRK TT.
But your best option for a emulation machine is also a good Gaming PC.
With HDMI becoming more of a standard on videocards, a small formfactor PC would be great as a set top Emu box.
Now (at your own risk) if you have a strong DIY spirit, and are not afraid to get arm deep in a complex project, there a lot of buzz with the Raspberry Pi being used for Set up emulation, as it has both composite video and HDMI. You have to know your Linux, and you have get a good POWERED USB hub and compatible USB controllers or research interfacing a pad with the GPIO. Keep in mind many of the ARM versions of Linux distros have their emulators still in beta development.
Still nothing beats out having Real hardware, its why I am considering a Consolized MVS board. Sounds, colors, and even system speed is off with emulation. As well as no emulator is without unintentional bugs.
BSNES disagrees with this.
It’s not that emulators cannot be perfect, it is just too resource intensive to make them perfect. BSNES requires a reasonably fast dual core to run properly. That’s just the nature of proper emulation. Right now, the same principles behind BSNES could be applied to a select group of older systems, but that’s the best that can be done with current hardware. As CPUs get more powerful, emulation potential will only get better.
Honestly, the only emulation that I’ve found to have far too many issues is N64, and perfect emulation is not yet possible(as far as I know).
I have to disagree with that statement, although BSNES can do low level hardware emulation, the emulator itself is pretty resource intensive.
You are assuming the computer BSNES is running on have adequate resources to allocate to the emulator and the said PC is running perfectly with no issues and zero instability.
I seen BNES and BSNES put high end gaming systems on its knees.
Even then you have a mere imitation of the hardware. Putting nostalgic feelings aside from having the actual hardware, there color and sound reproduction that no emulator or clone system can even touch.
At best BSNES is incomparable to a very good clone system, but it never truly reproduce the visuals and sound reproduction true authentic hardware will make.
This sounds like so many of the past third party consoles that were talked about but never came true.
- Apple/Bandai Pippin
- That one I can’t even remember the name of that had green or something in the campaign? Would have been between Dreamcast and PS2/XBox generations… It was also an open-source concept but they could never make a go of it beyond a mock-up.
- Those really crappy portables that lasted for a year or two – oh goodness, this stuff is so forgettable that I don’t even remember the names! I just remember seeing a demo unit at a gamestore and thinking to myself, “This is one of the biggest wastes of money since the Atari Jaguar!” Was that a Nokia portable or something else? It seemed like a cross between a watch and an older-style cellphone. Horrible graphics if I remember correctly.
The problem here is the word, "Cheap."
You have to be careful with the wording… It reeks of passe, yesterday’s news, underpowered, poor man’s doomed system.
(God, I hate myself right now… I just sounded like a corporate, marketing d@uche-^@g… Feels dirty! Take a shower!)
Obviously, the Android OS, rumored Google and Apple systems are NOT meant to compete directly with XBox-One or PS4, or Wii U for that matter. (You can be sure Apple will have the most expensive alternate system – and I’m saying this as someone who prefers Macs but HATES Apple’s corporate strategy… especially their pricing. Only X-heads are bigger cultists at this point in time…)
There’s a healthy portable market on smart phones, yes, but the games I’ve seen aren’t much above what could have been done 2-3 Nintendo portable generations ago! So much for state-of-the-art or impressing the people who actually buy games in bulk.
Sure, the sales achievement of Angry Birds was impressive but does the game have the longevity of the past arcade games and console games that are still going strong 10, 15, 20 years later?
I have my doubts, to be honest. A lot of the mini’s just become annoying after a while.
Most indie developers, if they’re lucky have one or two big hits and then they fade away… IF they can survive and develop capital they can become a publisher like Activision and have a far better chance surviving long-term. Otherwise, they become like Shiny Entertainment after one big hit (Earthworm Jim series) and get swallowed up by a bigger company within a decade OR (worse yet) rebranded again and again like Atari has.
Maybe I’m just the wrong person to comment on this… I’ve never been a huge fan of portables. It’s only been since the PSP that I’ve actually been able to stand the screen and see the action and enjoy it. That was also the first portable to really equal home consoles within a half-generation or less. That was also a bit of its downfall – it never really achieved much of its own flavor and the games all felt like PS1 ports or downgraded PS2 sequels, etc., etc. Never helped that it didn’t have the library of games that I wanted and that I ended up using the thing to watch movies more than playing games and that the UMD drive ultimately broke within 2 years on my PSP.
Looks like the PS Vita really is PSP-2. I have to wonder how much time Sony will give it before they eventually pull the plug. Still haven’t seemed to learn the lesson about software support it seems – not that any dedicated game portable is doing terrifically well now.
I think the main home consoles will do just fine… The people that crowded on board the Wii and are gaga for iOS/Android games are mostly NOT US… They’re very much flavor of the week, casual fans that aren’t dependable consumers, and they’re never going to spend the kind of money a lot of us do. Yes, it’s good to still go after them but I think it’s Apples and Oranges. Two of the home consoles should still be okay… It’s really Nintendo that has to worry about competition from the likes of Android OS portable and the Google and Apple offerings.
Please keep in mind these new wave of open source game consoles aren’t the same as mobile phones tablets.
That is a misnomer that the Mjojo, Shield or Ouya is anything like a mobile device nor it should be compared to one.
Originally the Windows Tablets ran on XP, but it does not compare to an actual Desktop or Laptop PC.
The idea of these platforms is to
- provide a cheaper alternative to Big name consoles. Not everyone can afford a Wii U, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360 or Xbone, its much easier to get a $100 (or Less) open source console which games are significantly cheaper.
- To shake up how the industry treats software and gaming in general.
- To Change up how Indie titles are treated and how easy or hard it is to program for one of the big 3 consoles.
Except the ouya people want to have yearly releases of their hardware, leading to massive fragmentation and/or a console platform more expensive than anything currently out there.
Those other goals are just talk - both nintendo and (especially) sony are making it a lot easier for indie developers to work with them and get games published on their consoles. What do you even mean by “shake up” how the industry treats software and gaming?
I’d love a cheap little box that will play android games I don’t have on my windows phone, but don’t buy into the “revolution in indie gaming” jerkfest.
Please stop. I don’t care that you do not like the Ouya, there 4 other consoles mentioned here. BUT If you have nothing constructive to share for everyones sakes stop posting.
I really want one, but it’s very difficult to get down here in Australia without paying way too much for it.
Amazon won’t ship it to Australia from either their US, CAN or UK site, and apparently the official Ouya site only ships to the US as well. There are no Australian stores selling it down here.
The only options I have is GAME in the UK for $175, buy it off Ebay for close to $200 or use a mail forwarder in the US which will probably cost around $150+.
I’m struggling to see how it’s going to be a success down here when they make it so difficult to purchase.
I think stopping people from making a terrible purchase is pretty constructive!
I look forward to the MOJO and whatever Google’s plans are.
edit: I’ll just put all the problems with the Ouya in one post so its easier to read
And from personal use I can say the majority those 27 of those reasons are either hearsay or just flat wrong.
- fan works
- I only hear about this from this thread
- Never heard of this before
- I don’t know european tax law. But the KS units are gifts for a donation not a purchase
- The customer service ? I didn’t hear about this.
- HDCP is apart of HDMI standards. Also started by the Linux community that encryption =/= non-open software
- Recovery mode, I need to research it.
- I booted mine up without internet. Their game distribution process is online, keep that in mind
- The analog sticks don’t return their positions properly. Really Mine worked fine.
- I haven’t program for the console so I dont know
- The buttons on the controller can get stuck under the faceplate. Okay I give this does happen, as I stated on SRK once already.
- I didn’t have issues
- It just launched with a larger library than most big name consoles do.
- This is opinion not fact
- So is this
- And your point is
- its $25 for each controller. No console starts with 2 controllers anymore.
- its not that wasy
- It’s based on the free to play model which has a low conversion rate,
- It advertises itself as budget and cheap, and it’s not good business to develop a game for a console aimed at people who don’t have any money.
- It advertises itself by its ability to run emulators. So does the Wii (virtual console)
- They ran their demo in the parking lot outside E3. Got Proof?
- Link Please
- Link Please
- They were considering it, that does not mean they are doing it.
- Opinion not fact
- What?
So razor’s 360 stick doesn’t work on the ouya.
Arcade sticks in DP mode may or may not work in some games. They will have to use LS if DP doesn’t work. Ps3 home on sticks doesn’t do anything.
Has anyone tried using any wii/wiiU sticks by connecting a wiimote?
I know it’s possible on android phones with a madcatz tvc stick as I’ve done it before.
Oh man, you get what you pay for!
Much as I don’t like what MS has done over the years since it entered the videogame console market, I’d still recommend getting an XBone or XBox 360 over any of these 3 economy consoles…
That’s what they are and you’re going to get what you pay for.
It’s like what most of us try to tell people who are buying joysticks for the first time – you are NOT going to get much of anything good if you pay under $50. The quality stuff is going to cost at least $100 on most good sales and $80 used. You pay much less than that and you are guaranteed that you will be buying a POS.
I can’t say that after looking at the links in the first post that I was blown away by anything.
You have to have a great game plan in addition to great hardware AND software support.
I just don’t see that with any of these three options. All three come off with a bit of chintzy factor to them and the systems seem impossibly small to be all that great… I favor sizeable media myself (discs) so I’m not crazy about the prospect of having to download everything off the net. The early reports about Ouya do not inspire confidence, either. GameStick seems impossibly small to be very good. The Mad Catz option seems the most impressive but without a history in the console market besides a mixed history of peripheral offerings I just don’t have the confidence there.
Going into this next generation, it appears clear that Sony has the best option with the PS4.
Start saving those dollars, guys, for a AAA-console in October/November whenever Sony and MS release their next-gen systems… I’m still waiting a year for the sake of console debugging and the fact that there’s still plenty I’m interested in on the PS3.
The Android consoles just look like bad entertainment investments to me…
$100 isn’t enough to get a quality console now unless it’s a brand-new copy of a DEAD console by one of the current Big Three.
For what these Androids are now, you’re throwing away good away after bad product IMHO.
Starred.
Android user/liker here. Interested in this new mini-gen of Android gaming…
Half of these require you to have actually followed ouya development, and another third of your responses just make me realize you’re not listening.
- Yes, the fan technically spins around. The whole venting into the bottom of the case thing is dumb and there have been people with heat issues already.
- Not according to germany. You’ve also already had this explained to you.
- hdcp being enabled on game video is dumb, and there are consoles that have been out for 7 years that don’t encrypt hdmi whilst playing a game.
- not literally power it on - requiring a cc to be saved to the system to even download free games and apps is dumb (fortunately their cc system is bad enough where you can just put a fake number in and it won’t know the difference)
- Early consoles, need to keep reading points before responding.
- Many have, and still do!
- The vast majority of it being flash games from kongregate and ports from google play. Also only around 150 when “hundreds” was claimed.
- That there is little advantage for many to get an ouya instead of using their phone (many of which have hdmi out and controller support!)
- No, please actually look at the price for the ouya controller standalone.
- It really is. Even giantbomb almost accidentally bought some developers a pizza while wandering over a menu. There are apps that try to do that on android / ios already.
- you just repeated what I said.
- was this accidental copy and paste?
- no, they have the ability to buy classic games as a feature. a feature that actually makes money for developers
- Are you serious, it was heavily advertised through their twitter. It was awful.
- I’m not searching another 400 pages of ouya chat to find this again
- http://i.imgur.com/Gubvgpy.jpg
- That would be math
- you just don’t know
