The Ameяican Government Thread

[fishjie]

are you saying that if hilary had won, we would’ve continued to war in the middle east and helped wall street, thus benefiting the jews?

if i pick the white supremacists, pretty sure they’re still gonna support giving billions to israel, cause they hate muslims more than jews, so bombs away hooray. and pretty sure drumpf, a billionaire who seems to be picking republican insiders, who says he’s gonna repeal dodd frank, is not going to go after the jews on wall street. he’s not gonna drain any swamp, he’s gonna stick to the republican playbook of lower taxes and fewer regulations. which again, great for people who don’t live in the rust belt. shitty for the white people who voted for him though. but of course drumpf will blame it all on the immigrants, on china, on anyone and anything else except the actual problem - capitalism is wiping out all the jobs. like many greater leaders before him he knows how to misdirect and channel frustration of an “in” group to an “out” group, to maintain power.

EDIT: is the MSM just being biased or does drumpf really like steaks well done? someone fact check it, because if true that’s disgusting. medium rare 4 lyfe

i’m saying that you calling bannon a white nationlaist is nonsense. You can’t be a white nationalist and be involved with jews and support the jewish state. Your only option is option two

and I don’t need to say that, because had hillary won, the Israel would have benefited greatly from the continued war in the middle east becuase they are actively fanning violence against shia governments. This is fact

Also you’re the one who just made the jew wall street connection not me, that’s wholy on you.

is stormfront not a white nationalist website, and are its members not rejoicing at banon? couple years ago everyone on srk was hating on stormfront too surprising how things changed

so because person x supports person y, then person y is like person x?

That makes absolutely no fucking sense. If that’s the case, Bill Clinton and Hillary are both arduent supporters and defacto members of the Klan as well as white nationalists and supremacists. See how stupid that is when you apply that logic? Nationalism =! White nationalism and you can’t be a white nationalist (in the context the MSM is painting bannon to be) when you support the semitic state of Israel. Stormfront has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. Nobody is apologizing for stormfront nor fronting for them, and just because people cling to your message doesn’t mean you become your supporters.

if person y courts the vote of person x, then yeah you can definitely make a case. in the case of hilary, are you referring to the grand dragon will Quigg endorsing her because of her “private position”? He was referencing her email which stated she always has a “public” and “private” position, and that her private position probably aligned with his? sure, i could see that. hillary supported mass incarceration of black people (bill’s law), called them superpredators, and she laughed about killing gaddafi. her actions speak loudly. she is essentially a republican on many of her positions and a western imperialist. the reason more white supremacists didn’t support her is because she only supports elite whites, not the basket of deplorables.

in the case of drumpf, he has the rhetoric: he said illegals are rapists, wants a “temporary” ban on muslims and a registry, demonizes china as taker of jobs, encouraged obama birtherism, insisting the central park 5 are guilty even after the actual rapist confessed and DNA evidence showed a match, says megyn was on her period cause she called him out, etc. you can say the media is biased but its basically just playing his own clips. everyone can judge for themselves.

so sure, he doesn’t have the bad policies of hilary yet, but that’s because he’s never been a politician yet. there’s nothing in his rhetoric that the KKK loves that leads me to believe that he has a “private” and a “public” position. his whole appeal is that he speaks what’s on his mind. now, bannon was his propaganda arm throughout all of this, ensuring that the alt right would be fully mobilized. now is everyone on the alt right racist? nah. a lot of my trump supporting friends are self proclaimed shit lords who do it for the lulz. they’re already incredibly rich and self employed so didn’t have to worry about losing their jobs for posting the wrong thing online. but yeah bannon even admits lots on the alt right are white supremacists. is banon one? at that point, does it really matter? he actively cultivates and mobilizes them for the god emperor. that is disturbing.

cause there will be a point when everyone realizes that the god emperor didnt bring back their jobs. my guess is, instead of saying, sorry technology took your jobs, let’s embrace socialism, drumpf will double down on blaming all the non whites and go on raging tweet storms. all dictators in the past successfully galvanized the in group against an out group and blamed them for their problems. mao did it. hitler did it. pol pot did it. so on and so forth. these dictators appealed to emotion and offered simple solutions to complex problems, and got the people riled up. so its what his followers will do that disturbs me, not necessarily drumpf or bannon.

[ParryAll]

CNN is fake news. Visor is a fraud. What a joke.

[ribu]

Wait is that real?

The “alt right” is most certainly not white supremacist.

Is that a real headline? Two posts up.

https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/800822032535470080

[ParryAll]

Yeah. Complete propaganda. This is sick, CNN is disgusting.

Who is this “founder of the alt right”. IT DOESNT HAVE A FOUNDER lmao. And the term “alt right” is a dumb smear anyways made up by Hillary.

This scares me, like they’re using information warfare to lead up to some false flag to blame on the group they made up lol.

Here’s all you need to know about CNN guys: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=dKlW6UxYfFQ

Ok so I just looked up Richard Spencer. So they’re trying basically to frame this “alt right” and say he’s the founder, then lump conservative news to this guy. That’s at best bad journalism at worst propaganda and knowing CNN wouldn’t surprise me if they’re planning a false flag to blame on the “alt right” then declare martial law and cancel the election /Alex Jones lol

I will say that this guy, Richard spencer, is without a doubt a shill. That’s just gut feeling having not looked into him yet, first I’ve ever heard his name.

I want to do other things than journalism but journalism is like what’s fucked the most in this country if you really think about it.

[Wasted]

White nationalism: “Whites build great countries. Maybe you should be like us!”

White supremacy: “WHITE POWER! KILL THE N*GGERS!”

There’s a massive difference.

Wait…are people really agreeing with this? I’ve seen some out right disengenuous shit on these forums but this takes the cake. Please do yourselves a favor and Google white nationalism. A lot of white nationalist are white supremacist there’s literally no difference. When your ideology states that there is a genetic component in race and the white race is superior you’re a white supremacist. When you think that culture is a by product of race and white culture is superior you’re a white supremacist. I can’t believe people are actually trying to defend this shit.

Fucking, no. You’ve just proven you can’t separate race and culture.

It’s possible to be BOTH a white nationalist and a white supremacist, but they are still separate. Being a nationalist doesn’t inherently make you a supremacist.

White people aren’t superior. Their culture however, generally is. Whites are some of the least nationalist people around, anyway.

Saying a culture is superior, is not the same as saying a group of people are superior just because they lack melanin. Do you refute the notion that if other cultures were developed more like European culture, that they would not be better off?

[ParryAll]

Nationalism means you care about your country.

White nationalism is the KKK. That’s racist, hate group.

Pretty easy distinction to make. Unless you’re CNN of course

[Wasted]

The KKK are supremacists, in addition to nationalists.

They don’t want others to be like whites, they want them dead. Hence, supremacy.

[ParryAll]

This is all a psy op. 100%. And

White nationalism: “Whites build great countries. Maybe you should be like us!”

White supremacy: “WHITE POWER! KILL THE N*GGERS!”

There’s a massive difference.

Wait…are people really agreeing with this? I’ve seen some out right disengenuous shit on these forums but this takes the cake. Please do yourselves a favor and Google white nationalism. A lot of white nationalist are white supremacist there’s literally no difference. When your ideology states that there is a genetic component in race and the white race is superior you’re a white supremacist. When you think that culture is a by product of race and white culture is superior you’re a white supremacist. I can’t believe people are actually trying to defend this shit.

Fucking, no. You’ve just proven you can’t separate race and culture.

It’s possible to be BOTH a white nationalist and a white supremacist, but they are still separate. Being a nationalist doesn’t inherently make you a supremacist.

White people aren’t superior. Their culture however, generally is. Whites are some of the least nationalist people around, anyway.

Saying a culture is superior, is not the same as saying a group of people are superior just because they lack melanin. Do you refute the notion that if other cultures were developed more like European culture, that they would not be better off?

Uhh I’m not so sure man you’re treading on some pretty shaky ground here.

Like I’m not a social justice warrior and this sounds crazy and racist to me bro, I’m sorry.

How about we are one race, the human race and that’s it? You can fuck off with this “white culture” bullshit. America is a melting pot and always has been, that’s what made is great dude.

[Typhlosion]

White nationalism: “Whites build great countries. Maybe you should be like us!”

White supremacy: “WHITE POWER! KILL THE N*GGERS!”

There’s a massive difference.

Wait…are people really agreeing with this? I’ve seen some out right disengenuous shit on these forums but this takes the cake. Please do yourselves a favor and Google white nationalism. A lot of white nationalist are white supremacist there’s literally no difference. When your ideology states that there is a genetic component in race and the white race is superior you’re a white supremacist. When you think that culture is a by product of race and white culture is superior you’re a white supremacist. I can’t believe people are actually trying to defend this shit.

Fucking, no. You’ve just proven you can’t separate race and culture.

It’s possible to be BOTH a white nationalist and a white supremacist, but they are still separate. Being a nationalist doesn’t inherently make you a supremacist.

White people aren’t superior. Their culture however, generally is. Whites are some of the least nationalist people around, anyway.

Saying a culture is superior, is not the same as saying a group of people are superior just because they lack melanin. Do you refute the notion that if other cultures were developed more like European culture, that they would not be better off?

White nationalist generally argue that your culture is a direct result of your race and if that’s true and you’re arguing that your culture is a is superior to others then you’re arguing that your race is superior to other people’s race. The definition of a racism.

And wtf is white culture anyways? Define white culture please.

[ParryAll]

White nationalism: “Whites build great countries. Maybe you should be like us!”

White supremacy: “WHITE POWER! KILL THE N*GGERS!”

There’s a massive difference.

Wait…are people really agreeing with this? I’ve seen some out right disengenuous shit on these forums but this takes the cake. Please do yourselves a favor and Google white nationalism. A lot of white nationalist are white supremacist there’s literally no difference. When your ideology states that there is a genetic component in race and the white race is superior you’re a white supremacist. When you think that culture is a by product of race and white culture is superior you’re a white supremacist. I can’t believe people are actually trying to defend this shit.

Fucking, no. You’ve just proven you can’t separate race and culture.

It’s possible to be BOTH a white nationalist and a white supremacist, but they are still separate. Being a nationalist doesn’t inherently make you a supremacist.

White people aren’t superior. Their culture however, generally is. Whites are some of the least nationalist people around, anyway.

Saying a culture is superior, is not the same as saying a group of people are superior just because they lack melanin. Do you refute the notion that if other cultures were developed more like European culture, that they would not be better off?

White nationalist generally argue that your culture is a direct result of your race and if that’s true and you’re arguing that your culture is a is superior to others then you’re arguing that your race is superior to other people’s race. The definition of a racism.

And wtf is white culture anyways? Define white culture please.

This is disgusting and not worth discussing. This is David Duke level horseshit. I hate to say it but I’d ban that dude, and I never call for banning anyone like, this is making me wanna straight throw up right now.

[ribu]

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See this is issue I have with it as well. What I really think is there are two “alt-right” movements. One is basically just a free form anti-establishment movement that still has ties in conservatism, with a really lose ideology outside of that. And the other is definitely something built around identity politics, and has become more vocal now that events have favored it. The main point that makes me believe this are the fact that they’re open about Trump not fitting what they are looking for(but his policies can work for them), and Bannon not being a member of their type of “alt-right”. I don’t discredit there is probably mingling of ideologies from both, mostly cause one is so open-ended, but I also think its very easy for the radical side of any movement to quickly take the forefront. Especially if all outlets are looking to highlight the radical part. I could be way off base here, just my impressions from everything I’ve read.

[Typhlosion]

White nationalism: “Whites build great countries. Maybe you should be like us!”

White supremacy: “WHITE POWER! KILL THE N*GGERS!”

There’s a massive difference.

Wait…are people really agreeing with this? I’ve seen some out right disengenuous shit on these forums but this takes the cake. Please do yourselves a favor and Google white nationalism. A lot of white nationalist are white supremacist there’s literally no difference. When your ideology states that there is a genetic component in race and the white race is superior you’re a white supremacist. When you think that culture is a by product of race and white culture is superior you’re a white supremacist. I can’t believe people are actually trying to defend this shit.

Fucking, no. You’ve just proven you can’t separate race and culture.

It’s possible to be BOTH a white nationalist and a white supremacist, but they are still separate. Being a nationalist doesn’t inherently make you a supremacist.

White people aren’t superior. Their culture however, generally is. Whites are some of the least nationalist people around, anyway.

Saying a culture is superior, is not the same as saying a group of people are superior just because they lack melanin. Do you refute the notion that if other cultures were developed more like European culture, that they would not be better off?

White nationalist generally argue that your culture is a direct result of your race and if that’s true and you’re arguing that your culture is a is superior to others then you’re arguing that your race is superior to other people’s race. The definition of a racism.

And wtf is white culture anyways? Define white culture please.

This is disgusting and not worth discussing. This is David Duke level horseshit. I hate to say it but I’d ban that dude, and I never call for banning anyone like, this is making me wanna straight throw up right now.

I just don’t understand how people can think like this. It Fucking boogles my mind.

[Wasted]

I agree, it walks the line, but that’s how the alt-right presents their argument.

“White”, really should just be “European”, to further emphasise the culture, not the race, but it’s just the colloquium to say “white”.

I’ll draw the line at the “one race, the human race”, though. Humans are a tribal species. In large groups, they tend to associate with others like them.

It’s why we have a melting pot of different races and cultures, and that’s not a bad thing at all.

[ParryAll]

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See this is issue I have with it as well. What I really think is there are two “alt-right” movements. One is basically just a free form anti-establishment movement that still has ties in conservatism, with a really lose ideology outside of that. And the other is definitely something built around identity politics, and has become more vocal now that events have favored it. The main point that makes me believe this are the fact that they’re open about Trump not fitting what they are looking for(but his policies can work for them), and Bannon not being a member of their type of “alt-right”. I don’t discredit there is probably mingling of ideologies from both, mostly cause one is so open-ended, but I also think its very easy for the radical side of any movement to quickly take the forefront. Especially if all outlets are looking to highlight the radical part. I could be way off base here, just my impressions from everything I’ve read.

I agree with that except that this other alt right is not a real movement. David Duke is real but discredited and weak, I think this other guy Matt Visor is a paid shill 100%. This is a psy op. They’re trying to tie the two together to confuse people and take down truthful news outlets. Calling them fake didn’t work, this is Plan B or Stage 2.

This is stuff you just don’t give the time of day on Mainsteam news unless you’re purposely trying to stir the shit. Same reason you don’t give people who think pedophilia should be legal the time of day. That’s why I say it’s a psy op.

People also need to understand that labels are dumb, and this is why. The reason people like Milo Infowars The Rebel Breitbart etc etc didn’t disavow the “alt right” label is because they don’t care, but now with what’s happened it’s probably a good idea that they do disavow the label because otherwise this psy op might succeed.

[Preppy]

Oh god, got pointed to this again. What a clown.

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5kNEL0KzI

Goddamned media trying to fact-check. They definitely shouldn’t bother to fact-check. I mean that kind of standard might help them with accuracy and understanding issues.

In retrospect it’s a pretty amazing and revealing set of interactions.

[Typhlosion]

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Honestly I see theach whole is the alt-right racist question in a similar light to the whole confederate flag debate.

I agree, it walks the line, but that’s how the alt-right presents their argument.

“White”, really should just be “European”, to further emphasise the culture, not the race, but it’s just the colloquium to say “white”.

I’ll draw the line at the “one race, the human race”, though. Humans are a tribal species. In large groups, they tend to associate with others like them.

It’s why we have a melting pot of different races and cultures, and that’s not a bad thing at all.

What is European culture and do you actually believe that there are genetic differences between different ethnic groups besides appearance? Like do you not believe human beings are one species…

[ParryAll]

I don’t even want to share what I’m thinking right now.

[ParryAll]

I wanna say, I’m gunna look on the bright side here instead of the dark side I usually do.

I think this is a last grasp and pathetic attempt by mainstream media, CNN in particular… I’m going to say it’s extreme delusion and the producers will be fired. I’m going to say that and hope it’s not something more insidious, but it’s CNN they are incompetent turds so it’s delusion.

We have a real media, many are just behind the curve and it’s why it’s being attacked right now. We’re witnessing a changing of the guard, so I suppose some craziness is to be expected https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=HYwhj9Wv7xE

[ParryAll]

Wasted you are fucked up in the head and need help.

[PVL_93_RU]

Wait is that real?

The “alt right” is most certainly not white supremacist.

Is that a real headline? Two posts up.

https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/800822032535470080

This Matt Viser guy looks like Hugh Grant