The Ameяican Government Thread

media is never going to let it go.

Hillary has said and done way worse racist shit and nobody cares.

We Hollywood now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pzIOkiAZHU

I want to hear something concrete from the left or the right. Things like he’s a reality TV star or he has no experience are generic talking points.

For example, we have a 100 billion dollar trade deficit worldwide (50 billion with China alone) so in another 10 years we’re going to pump a trillion dollars out of the country.Black unemployment is at %70 in the inner city yet they want to pump a million illegal immigrants a year into the United States. They want to spend 84 billion annually on illegal immigrants. Why not invest that money into the American people and its infrastructure?

Those are talking points I can sink my teeth into.

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Infantilization, soft bigotry of low expectations

LOL, how has no one answered this monumentally simple question yet. Holy fuck srk!

Trump is a joke because hes obviously pandering to audiences, as he flip flops on issues every week, and above all else, he just says hes going to do things that are impossible, ILLEGAL, or impractical. Lets look at some examples…

Build a wall and have mexico pay for it
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[] Impractical, as it would take a shit ton of time, a shit ton of money, and a shit ton of security to do this
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] Mexico aint paying for shit. If they didnt have economic problems, motherfuckers wouldnt be “jumping the border” to come here. Yet your fans think you can get mexico to build the second longest wall outside of the great wall of china, and have them pay for it?
[*] I think recently he has recanted some of this wall talk too. Again with the flip flopping.
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Temporary ban on muslims that are flying in from countries that have radical islamic issues, or problems with the US in general
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[] This is clearly unethical for starts.
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] Radical islamist are already in western nations. DURRR, orlando shooter lived in florida, and was an american citizen. Same with the bernardino shooter.
[] You can stop flights in from saudi arabia, okay. What if the terrorist are in paris, and fly in from there. What if they get fake passports and ids, go to other countries, and hop on a flight from sweden to america.Theyre not going to wear im a jihadist tshirts.
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] At first he said a temporary ban on muslims before this specific countries shit, which was even more nonsensical. How can you tell who is a muslim or not, other than by racial profiling, which im sure would land the USA in hella lawsuits by foreign muslims. Yes, you can sue a country.
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Carpet bomb ISIS, and kill their families

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[] This is a literal war crime. That is really all that should be said
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] The idea that a man says that you have to not just kill the terrorist, but their families, is mind blowingly stupid. He would end up creating the most radical jihadist this galaxy has ever seen if he did some shit like that.
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Going to bring jobs back to america
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[] Okay, how?
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] You cant force companies to bring their jobs back here, and for a guy who has his suits made in mexico, this is quite the statement.
[] How can the USA compete with jobs in india and china, where in china they literally have manufacturing cities. CITIES dedicated purely to unskilled labor. Companies have already invested deeply into china, vietnam, india, and mexico with these slave wage unskilled labor jobs. They arent gonna just jump out because of some tax cuts by the feds, and bullying to other countries. You have work forces working for like tens of cents an hour, and theyre grateful for that.
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] **No sane economist thinks bringing those millions of manufacturing jobs back to america is even possible. NO ONE. **

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Federal law that anyone can open carry on non private college campuses
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[] This has already happened in some states, namely in texas where im at. We’ll see how things go with that over the coming years. Starts in the fall.
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] I dont like the idea that anyone can have a gun on campus, so now its impossible to tell who is crazy or not. At least when guns were banned on campus, if you saw someone walking with a rifle on their back, you knew to run and call the cops. Now you just have to hope that person is just going to class, not going to shoot up his classroom
[*] Also, youre not likely to prevent a mass shooting just because you have a gun on you too. If you get lucky, cool, but more than likely, unless the whole campus is armed. EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. Especially considering you have to be 21 to open carry in texas, and that makes you a junior or senior in college, which takes out a vast majority of people who legally cannot be armed.
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Hes implied that megyn kelly was only a bit harder on him in the debates because she was on her period.
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[*] Sexist
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Hes implied ted cruz’s wife is ugly compared to his.
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[*] Childish
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He told us how he has a big dick, and normal size hands.
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[*] Sigh. Childish, petty, and weird
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**Refused to denounce david duke, and the kkk. Pretending he doesnt know who david duke is, and he does, because hes spoken out against him before in the past. He also played dumb like he didnt know who white supremacist were. **
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[*] Pandering much???
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He referred to a black man at one of his rallies, of many that this man has been to, as his african american. To which he didnt say once, but constantly repeated over and over and over.

Has incited violence at his rallies, and even offered to pay for the lawsuits
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[*] I just cant.
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Hes on more than 3 occasions said he would date his daughter if she werent his daughter. LOL WUT
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[*] The ethics and morals here are just. WOW
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Hes said he would loosen up laws protecting journalist from slandering politicians, so that essentially he could sue them with more ease for talking bad about him.
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[*] Fascist much?
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All of that and more. Hes a fucking imbecile, severely under qualified, and a pandering idiot that flip flops every other week.

**If you like trump, youre either a grade a moron, with your head in the sand (tens of millions of them in america), or dont care about his dumb shit, because you just want someone anti establishment in office. **

Trump is magical. Could you imagine Barack Obama running for office in 2008, doing, and saying the stupid shit trump said. He would get a total of zero votes. Yet somehow this possible future fascist president of the united states can tell you his dick size, imply a woman is on her period because she seemed upset with him, and tell you he will make a country build a wall. A wall that would cost more than actually sending the military in to solve some of mexicos violent criminal problems that hinder economic growth.

@YMDSLTSAC im confused how none of what ive typed is shit you didnt know already. Have you just not been keeping up this whole election at all, or just purposefully putting your head in the sand, yelling “LALALALALALA, i dont see what the big deal is”.

God bless malala yousafzai, but…

Im amazed that no one sees how threatening that is.

Shes saying, that islam culture is essentially so fucked up and thin skinned, that merely speaking against islam enough will immediately create terrorist. Im sorry, have the liberals and democrats lost a piece of their brain.

No, you should be able to take any criticisms of islamic culture in stride, and seek to FIX IT. There is a lot to be fixed. A lot!! No one wants to demonize all muslims. Not even far right nut bags on Fox news, but we have to acknowledge a severe problem with these parts of the world, and how their islamic culture is cultivating bad behavior, and eventually at times, terrorist.

I just read a news article today of a woman and man in Indonesia, the poster child for moderate islam, even though they finger women before they can enter the military to make sure they are virgins, because apparently this is the only way to find out if theyre moral or not. But yeah, anyways, this article was of a woman and a man getting whipped because she stood too close to the man, and she was a married woman.

Let that last paragraph soak in.

**Crowd cheers as woman is brutally caned for being seen near man who wasn’t her husband **

But you have to separate the strict interpreters of Islam from Muslims in general. There are lots of Muslims who are opposed to the way things are run in the hardcore Muslim community (Malala herself is an example) so you need to be clear in referring to the power structures built on human rights violations and the communities that have embraced them. The broad-stroke demonization from Trump and those like him is no better than the segregation/slavery advocates who viewed Africans as “spear-chuckers”.

The quote refers to speaking about “Islam and all Muslims”, not terrorists and regressive fundamentalists.

But no one is blaming all muslims. The only people you see doing that are randoms on the internet. No one in our political or intellectual sphere are doing that. Facebook, and Twitter arent government officials. While i’ll give you trump, because hes basically a facebook poster whose almost made it to be the president of the united states. The majority of people already obviously draw that distinction.

Strict interpreters of the Koran are in the hundreds of millions. They arent all terrorist, but they will openly subjugate women, and their law of the land allows it, because these are not secular countries. In a few of the countries gays can be legally murdered, and or tossed in jail. As the PEW poll showed us, many of them sympathize with terrorist organizations, although there is some nuance to that. You can be killed for simply leaving the religion.

Even omar mateen, a us born citizen at 14 was cheering when 911 happened. He was already radicalized in america at that age.

To deny that there are issues within all non western islamic cultures, is to truly be ignorant to the fact. Even its poster boy countries like Turkey and Indonesia, seem like backwards, nonsense lands compared to western nations.

In indonesia it has a blasphemy law, that is general as fuck, and you can legally be prosecuted for blasphemy against a religion. Which obviously in their case would be Islam. LOL. Dont tell me non western islamic culture is all rainbows and sunshine, we’re just misinterpreting the quran, and what we can read and see with our own eyes. We’re not misinterpreting the religion of a whom their prophet is a war mongering pedophile.

I aint mad at all muslims by any means, but can we just get real here on objective reality.

Also, that will be my last post on Islam in here for a while. I dont want this to turn too much into a discussion on Islam, unless its truly relevant to a bigger topic at hand.

Jesus, is this a reddit post or was it written by a woman? No one cares about identity politics or “sexism”.
Anyways, whats illegal? Who’s going to prosecute any of the “illegal” claims you make, internationalist? Or better yet, maybe the Saudi royal family but who honestly cares about those fucks. They were scared shitless at the thought of the 911 papers being released and you want to think they would try to pick a fight with Donald Trump?

And banning Muzzies. It would be easy by just having background checks on who would enter the country and being able to investigate people who are suspected terrorist. Not having tax payers footing the bill to bring the migrants into your country would help. Having a removal of the Visa waiver problem would help or even better prosecutions done on over stayers on the program.

[details=Spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yVi4D_O8AM[/details] - Dont forget this gem.
Another thing is the Orlando shooter was a security guard. Was being investigated. And STILL nothing was done to him because of political correctness.

About the jobs, its easy to bring jobs back to America. All you have to do is make it easier to make money in the country and they will comeback, simple.
Be it through removal of Obama Care, lower taxes or even making it easier for citizens to obtain wealth. As a government cannot generate jobs, only hinder.
You can compete against cheaper produces by producing superior products, ie: Make America Great Again.

What violence at rallies? As I seen it, it was Bernie supporters or George Soros paid instigators (Black Lives Matter) doing all the violence.

I’d like a source on that claim about the journalist bit. I have a feeling its about that one thing when the news outlets where attacking his campaign manger over false claims. The issue being journalists able to create outright lies and imply them as factual.

The wall is more so a symbol. Its a great and simple rallying point for people.

that’s fucking bullshit. if their culture can’t handle basic realities of western culture they need to gtfo. Criticism is something that should be welcomed by anybody living in the west. If you can’t value that, then you have no place in western society.

Are you fucking retarded? Ooops, i see who im talking to.

  1. No one cares about sexism? What planet are you on. Feel free to run for president and think you can win by shitting on women, in hopes they dont get offended. Women who are half of the population. Since no one cares about sexism, you’ll still win.

Whats illegal? Carpet bombing ISIS and killing thousands of innocent people, or in trumps words, their families.** Its called a war crime you fucking idiot. We have international laws which prevent us from just going ham on each other like savage animals. **

  1. Background checks on people entering the country? Through what database? We dont even have a centralized database for firearm background checks in this country. What would a background check say on if someone is muslim or not? What would a background check do for people off the grid? We already have list of people on the no fly list. Those that arent, we dont know about them yet.

Youre just saying stuff to say stuff.

The orlando shooter was not being investigated. He was investigated almost 3 fucking years ago. Nothing was done, because hes an american citizen, was not guilty of a crime, and laws protect him from just getting tossed in a prison indefinitely because he claimed to be in two terrorist groups that oppose each other at work, in what he said was resistance to being bullied (likely a lie im sure). Dude may be a terrorist piece of shit, but he wasnt guilty of a crime until he commited his crime, hence why the FBI wasnt going to waste a shit ton of agents on this guy.

I think i read somewhere that there are like 20 agents per person of interest by the FBI. So no, they werent going to dedicate man power to omar mateens goofball ass. They dedicated 10 months to him. They werent gonna watch him over that shit for another 3 years.

  1. Holy shit. wow. Sure, okay buddy. Did you get all that info from a meme. Just google that topic. I dont have time to explain this to you. Here, start here.
    Why it would be tough for Trump to bring jobs back from China
    http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/12/news/economy/donald-trump-china-mexico-jobs/
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/05/like-manufacturing-jobs-to-china-whatever-trump-says-mining-jobs-are-not-returning-to-w-virginia/#3077369c6f48
    http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-manufacturing-jobs-and-china

  2. Yeah youre right, no violence happened at trump rallies. Dont know what i was thinking. My bad. (rolls eyes)

  3. You’d like a source on some shit that is like months old. Okay sure.

Donald Trump wants to ‘open up’ libel laws so he can sue press



http://www.npr.org/2016/03/24/471762310/donald-trump-wants-to-open-up-libel-laws-so-he-can-sue-news-outlets

  1. A wall that would likely cost upwards of 25 billion dollars. You have the nerve to bring up the removal of obamacare as some half ass way to bring money back into the country, but you want a 25 billion dollar symbol?

Please kill yourself. Your stupidity is too much. lol

There’s more wrong with this than I can actually reply to right now. But holy hell a lot of this is either wrong or laughably oversimplified.

No.

Not even close.

Just… no.

You just said exactly what I said.

Either make an informed decision, including 3rd party, or stay away from the polls. People don’t realize for whatever reason (likely culprit mainstream media) that their vote matters, and that they should make the most informed choice possible, exploring all avenues and decide whether a candidate believes what they believe. Nowadays, they either vote party, vote what their parents vote, vote for candidates with good hair, vote for shits and giggles, or don’t even try to get informed and give up on the process altogether.

And then people wonder why Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump are the two major candidates. I don’t have to wonder.

(We could have a talk about how I think a two party system is cancer, but that’s for another day.)

They are the candidates because “Fuck you, money talks.”

Until the entire system is changed to where everyone who wants to run gets equal funding and coverage, there will always exclusively only be candidates bought and paid for by lobbies and other vested interests.

And yes, a billionare paying his own way, counts as a vested interest.

Fucking duh.

The Democratic party controls the primary rules. They are designed to favor whoever the DMC chooses. Even with all of the grassroots support Bernie couldn’t defy the will of the DMC. On top of that voting fraud was rampant. Hillary was going to win regardless of the votes.

i’ve yet to see a politician today that has charmed to want to follow him due to charima, or his policy to want to vote for him or believe in his message fully. So ill stand by my statement. You described all politicians