The Ameяican Government Thread

The Republicans winning the 2014 election could be interpreted as the people’s rejection of the President’s policies/choices (I don’t think that is too far-fetched at all to be honest). This means that right now, the people have rejected Obama’s policies and ideas, so I personally think they should just wait until 2016 until the people have decided. I haven’t read much about Obama’s nominee, the Washington Post said he is “moderate”, but I don’t know how much stock I would put into their assessment. My thought is, if holding up his nominee means that Texas v United States gets shot down, I’m all for it.

As for your second paragraph, I honestly think everything is working the way it is supposed to, especially when we have Democratic President but a Republican Congress, nothing is supposed to get done during those times. Things get accomplished when one party controls both the Congress and the Presidency. To answer your question, we have experienced one government shutdown during Obama’s presidency.

Which side is more obnoxious:

whoever wins, we keep paying taxes.

Whoever wins we lose.


Ghost radio is back, Endorses Trump.
WTF are you retards doing not voting for Trump? HE IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO!

Fucking Bernie Sanders cant do shit and will trash your economy with socialist BS. Hillary will be your Merkel/ Notley, expect suicide rates raise cause she wants to accelerate industry destruction.
Fucking why?
I havent heard anyone say anything negative about Trump other then passive/neutral complaints and muh racists/white people.

hahaha holy shit. Things are gonna get hella real right now:

https://twitter.com/LATimesJennCarr/status/714458981608062976

If neither Bernie or Kasich get the nomination, I’m seriously voting for Jill Stein. I don’t give a damn if I’m throwing my vote away; if neither party makes a satisfying argument for my vote, neither one gets it. The day people do this and quit arbitrarily voting in one party as the lesser of two evils is the day we take our government back from an inefficient partisan chess match. Candidate analysis:
-Sanders: Do I agree with his socialist views? Mostly, though I admit he probably won’t get as much done as he plans. I’ve actually wanted him since I heard he penned a 90s argument for gay marriage to Congress around the time of the Supreme Court verdict. He’s been consistent over his long career, which I respect. He speaks with a genuine nature that commands my attention; you never wonder if he has any ulterior motives for saying what he says. Most of all, he’s actually managed to reverse the trend of younger voters not giving a shit about politics. Like it or not, he has now influenced a generation of liberal thinkers and produced a movement that will outlive him and work to enact all the changes he couldn’t get to. If that isn’t some inspiring shit, I don’t know what is.
-Kasich: Seriously, who the fuck is Kasich? He’s the GOP version of an “Other” option in the ballot. He’s the only active GOP candidate who won’t destroy this country, albeit he probably won’t fix much either. I see Kasich as a political Band-Aid; fill in the President’s office until a stronger leader can take over.
-Trump: Donald’s ONLY saving grace is that he’s more like a last-man-standing game of Russian Roulette than poison; you can actually come out of a Trump presidency unscathed, the odds just aren’t in your favor. He’s inconsistent enough to make me think he will temper out for the general election and may even be a competent president. Supporting Trump for non-racist reasons is like saying a glass is 1/10 full rather than 9/10 empty.
-Hillary: God damn I cannot stand her. What about her sounds like a good idea for president? She was an unremarkable Senator and a mediocre Secretary of State, and lies constantly. The ‘most qualified’ argument is a load of shit too, as Sanders was actually mayor of Burlington for a while, which is more executive experience than Hillary can claim. She’s the first step down a very dark road for the Democratic party, which ultimately leads to a corrupt political machine that places corporate/banking and foreign interests above the common good. Also, her winning WILL alienate younger voters from the Democratic party, you can bet on that. Even when she takes office, how is she going to get anything passed? Does she think Congress will respect her more than Obama somehow? She’s not a leader, she’s a delusional sociopath.
-Cruz: Probably the worst active candidate, below even Trump and Hillary. I’m 60% sure he’s the Zodiac Killer, and that number is only getting higher. He’s a slimy liar who tries to push a radical fundamentalist Christian agenda as a platform. His immigration and foreign policy plans are even worse than Trump’s, and coated in a disgusting layer of bullshit just like Hillary. Usually, I can find at least one upside to a candidate: Hillary won’t set us back several decades, Trump may actually turn out well, and so on. I can not think of even one perk of life under a President Cruz.

Young Bernie Sanders supporters on facebook have been annoying as shit.
I like Bernie and wouldn’t mind him as president, but they dont even seem to realize that writing him in helps the #1 person he doesn’t want as president.

True, but if you take that fatalistic of an approach then voting is ultimately meaningless. If the Democratic Party wants to throw people under the bus and push an unpopular candidate into office, then they better prepare to hold that L when her lack of support outside of Democrat voters becomes obvious. Trump/Cruz vs Hillary is probably the best chance for a third party upset we could ever ask for. You’re going to have a sizable section of Republican Primary voters angry with the party either way, and a group of young liberals who aren’t going to settle for Hillary’s bullshit. If this base rallies behind a third party, we may see the first non-Democrat/Republican president in over 160 years.

im sure its annoying to supporters of less moderate candidates when they get scolded for not falling in line with the party establishment. particularly young voters who are least likely to have any sort of party allegiance.

How does what I say make voting meaningless?
The fact that people dont get the importance in it is what bugs the shit outta me. You vote for whoever you want in the primary, hope they get the nomination (helped by your vote), and if they don’t, you compromise for one of the nominees that share most of your values.

Like if some of my concerns were making sure women retain the right to choose and equal marriage rights, then why would i not defensively vote for the person whos NOT going to completely destroy those things, opposed to sending good vibes via vote to someone i know already has been knocked out of the race?

A 3rd party canidate is not winning this election. Lets stay in reality.

I should’ve separated my last post though, my main annoyance with the youth is how theyre taking memes for fact and spamming everywhere -__- Some are saying Clinton is the same as Trump which is just ridiculous.

By that logic I’m going to vote trump.

Pro American policies, policies that could potentially ask Europe to stop being snivelling cowards and invest in therir own defense, rather than leech of America through NATO.

Scale back free trade and demand countries like China to stop engaging in acts, of what should be borderline war, with the hacking of defense industry. Demand better trade deals with countries that engage in f"free" trade, etc. Control immigration and still the influx of unskilled labor, high the country can no longer suistain due to the shift in the economy towards low tier jobs that aren’t worth 15$ an hour and end up on subsidies.

It’s not like sanders is gonna get the nomination, and it’s not like I want to vote a president, where if he had his policies, would result in tax rates as high as 50-60% for everybody.

So tell me, why would I want to go ven bite this election cycle. The notion that I should “compromise” is one of the reasons why we choose terrible presidents that aren’t moderate.

I think this notion that people will fall in line with the moderate choices without much courting involved is what has the republican party in its current situation, as well as why so little of hildawgs margin over sanders is made up of regular delegates.

i dont think you necessarily can take for granted that a sanders voter is that motivated so strongly by womens reproductive rights. and even if you could, some people will vote idealistically, and some more pragmatically. I doubt arguments that start with “anyone but…” are very persuasive to idealistic voters.

Compromise is better than saying “my guy didnt win so I just dont care anymore”.
Again, write ins help nobody but the party opposing the one youd otherwise vote for. Why not do something that counts and get some of what you want over doing something that accomplishes nothing.

Like I said I have no problem whatsoever with Sanders, (I actually like him a lot.) but I know hes not winning unless he gets the nomination. Id rather put in a vote that actually might get some of his policies that I agree with in place than emotional support via vote.

Us getting terrible presidents is more of an opinion. I think Donald Trump would be terrible. Split votes get him in office. So yeah, I like compromise.

Sanders and Trump are essentially independents running for their respective parties because of the way American politics works.

This speaks more to the weakness of the voting system than anything else.

Congress’s job isn’t to determine who is up for a SCOTUS nomination, that part is the leader of the executive branch, which is Obama. Their job is to vet him to see if he can do the job, not if he falls into their ideology. That’s nonsense.

You are one of those guys at the bar who found himself in an indefensible side of an argument and decided to just hoot and holler hoping the facts go away.

I’m gonna go ahead and assume your age is 19.

The two party system was NEVER the intention of the founding fathers. In fact, one of them wrote and spoke scathingly about it!

The founding fathers didn’t even like the idea of factions.

What facts are you even talking about? The link you posted that showed that more often than not, a supreme court justice was not nominated? And where did I ever say we should let Congress decide who the Supreme Court nominee is? You like to make some wild leaps of logic, but I’ll humor you and respond anyway. As far as holding up the nomination, that is there prerogative, it is one of the perks of holding the senate. Anyway, this is my last post on the topic because I really don’t care about it much, but I actually think the current nominee seems pretty solid. Seems to me like maybe they should cut their loses, because when Hilary whens, someone less moderate might be elected…