I would vote for Gary if Hillary wasn’t the Democrat’s nominee, but the risks are too great right now. If I were to vote for Gary and then Hillary would win I would have to live with that regret forever.
If anyone else is like me and thinks Hillary is a very dangerous and evil person and cannot be allowed to win, discard your pride and vote for Trump.
I am not going to take arsenic to spite cyanide.
Fuck that.
This “election” is a farce.
I am disgusted but it’s not like we have a choice.
What you are saying is the game is rigged so why bother playing, but unfortunately the game is rigged in such a manner that people who don’t play end up being the biggest losers.
When you add human emotions/instincts into the mix, you will realize that these problems won’t be resolved any time soon, if ever.
To make matters worse is that the US has such a large impact on other countries that there really isn’t a place to escape to.
Even Dave Chappelle’s “escape to Africa” is no longer valid.
At this rate, what awaits humans is war/destruction.
You have to be delusional to think Johnson or stein are getting anything. Best they can do is spoil it in the battleground states.
A lot of people are trying to frame this as a “lessor of two evils” dilemma. Fuck that. Hillary IS corrupt, hence Crooked Hillary.
The Washington State Democratic Party has endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders for president at its state convention in Tacoma. The endorsement came despite the fact that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the party’s presumptive nominee.
State parities don’t usually endorse candidates before the National Convention.
Bernie Sanders won 70 percent of the Democratic delegates in Washington and his followers were able to change the rules to permit the endorsement as a show of respect for their candidate and his issues.
The endorsement is merely symbolic, but some Sanders supporters believe the move will make it easier for them to support Clinton in November.
It doesn’t matter how we vote. The establishment allows us to believe that we have an influence on the government. We don’t.
There is a high chance that Obama will impose martial law to stop the elections. They don’t want Trump to win.
Unlikely. Obama wants to maintain relationships and try to get a somewhat decent image of himself as president before he is done but he is tired as hell and wants out asap.
If you really think that, then you wouldn’t be spending so much time on these forums telling people to not vote for Trump.
If you really think about it, humans die. The people part of the “establishment” will die. New humans will be born. Be the change you wish to see.
A single human may not be able to do much, but a large group definitely has an influence on the government.
Both Hillary and Trump are dangerous, they’re just going to destroy the country in a different order. As of now, what you’re saying is exactly what many current Trump voters are thinking. But, this is also what many Independents and Democrats are saying about Hillary. If everyone votes for Johnson, then neither Hillary or Trump will become president, and everyone with a brain is happy. If you think Johnson winning is so unreasonable, consider:
-Trump’s campaign was supposed to peter out several times but didn’t
-Sanders wasn’t expected to even take 5 states when he started
-This is the most unpopular pair of major party nominees in recent history, possibly national history
A lot of what Sanders had going for him could be given to Johnson for the general election provided he gets past the “third parties can’t win” philosophy that got us here. He stands to siphon off a lot of Republicans, namely Ron/Rand Paul supporters and other small government conservatives. If we’re looking at a 3 way race between Johnson, Hillary, and Trump, there are some major points only Johnson has:
-Johnson wants to scale back foreign intervention, which many Americans support
-Johnson is the only one with a remotely consistent record
-Johnson has actual executive experience as governor of New Mexico; I don’t consider Secretary of State as applicable to the presidency
-Johnson supports the legalization of marijuana (being an infrequent user himself) and is the best chance at reducing the incarceration rate
-Johnson is the only real fiscal conservative of the 3, as Trump’s plans would be very costly to implement and Hillary is Hillary
If he gets enough attention, Gary Johnson can actually take the disenfranchised Democrats who wanted Sanders or just wanted a social moderate/progressive but don’t like the rest of the Democratic platform.
But that’s the problem, he is highly unlikely to “get enough attention.” First time he tried to run for president they didn’t even let him join the debates which forced him to turn from republican to libertarian but the media paid by Hillary/Obama administration and special interests won’t give him time, neither when he became libertarian nominee last time nor since he won last month.
A very important bullet you missed is that Gary is the only one that thinks that NSA’s “spying” is a problem, including but not limited to the NSA having phone calls of US citizens recorded and still kept on backups which date as far back as 1987.
He also believes in the second amendment, the right to protect yourself, as limited as that may be in today’s world, which Hillary wants to destroy.
He wants to take on the Federal Reserve, putting a lot of big money against him.
Even if he would win, he is likely to get assassinated. Trump is actually being intelligent and trolling NSA/NRO/CIA/DIA/FBI to get their support because he will need the protection if he wins.
Johnson can’t win sander supporters.
Sander supporters want government spending. They won’t vote for somebody who is the complete opposite of what they liked primarily about Sanders.
Can someone tell me what kind of appeal Trump has being a multi millionaire born into wealth to middle america backwoods racist sexist lower-middle income boxed in bible belt bigots? Is it just the southern strategy in effect on weak minds?
I keep seeing his supporters referencing some period in American history where things were so great that Trump is apparently going to take us back to, while not having a shred of political knowledge.
What time was this? I cant recall a period in time that was better for EVERYONE that was in the past lol…
Really?
At one point of time, American industry was an engine of economic growth. That’s no longer the case and while the tech industry has emerged as America’s new engine of growth, such shifts create large swaths of winners and losers.
Trump supporters are thinking of a time when the economy gave them jobs that was good enough to raise families with, without needing Washington to legislate a “living wage” for them.
Bigotry is acceptable if you’re making fun of the “right” kinda people.
Gary Johnson, anyone?
I mean…the stuff sells itself
*Oh look at me I’m a member of the in-group. I get in-group orthodoxies. Hence I’m virtuous beyond reproach. Oh look, a knuckle dragging member of the out-group. He’s a bigot! Let’s exclude him and ridicule him.
Wait he’s voting for someone who isn’t excluding and ridiculing him? What madness is this? He’s voting against his own interests! What stupidity!
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Personally, I think the stupid one is the one who thinks that politics should be about ridiculing the people who have different opinions from you, then acting horrified when they don’t vote your way.
But that’s just me.
Yeah thats fine to say when you have opposing views that dont incite xenophobia, homophobia, rape culture, misogyny, ultra nationalism and racism. People like that are idiots, and you can call it “bullying” or not being diplomatic and giving some else the floor, but it is what it is. Especially when you see minorities hypnotized by the same song the people who hate them are singing, its sad, but thats Darwinism. And people like them are idiots and dont deserve to share the same space with people who have the well being of humanity in mind.
Idiots. On both sides of the spectrum.
But I dont have a dog in the fight, so no need to attack me. I’ve been an unaffiliated voter since I registered at 18.
I’m not so much attacking you as I’m sick of the smugness that has come to define Democrat discourse.
When even a Vox writer acknowledges that Progressives have a problem that stems from a tendency to ridicule and exclude those who don’t agree with progressive pieties, I think it’s clear that there’s a problem.
Real compelling.