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I don’t see why having a “black and hispanic” “problem” means we should just disregard the numbers tho? It only happens to black and brown people in the hood, so fuck em?

The population is what the population is. The demographics aren’t going to change. The number of homicides is alarming. I don’t really give a shit where or who. It’s on our soil so it should be alarming for everyone.

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It’s closer to 9 - 11K. 12 - 15K is the overall

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According to what’s identified by root cause:

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Murder Circumstances 2013 - 2017

Correlation =/= Causation. There may be a relationship but making that kind of claim is a bit much of a catch all.

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Suicide is half or more of those gun deaths in the US. The majority of the actual homicides are gang related or domestics and overwhelmingly use handguns. Small percentage are mass shootings and then accidental deaths.

That’s why it’s always silly for peeps to call for an assault weapon ban when the majority of homicides in the US don’t use em.

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Because you aren’t addressing “the problem” which is black and Hispanic culture, aka, gang violence. Getting rid of guns won’t make gangs go away, but what will have a big impact against is changing the cultures that glorify gang violence.

I mean listen to the music.

Rap = bitch this bitch that. I’ma shoot yo ass, I’m so hard, I got all the moneys, I’ll kill you.

Country = my woman left me and I’m so heartbroken.

Obviously there’s some hyperbole going on there. Rap has songs like “the message” and Tupac’s dear mama, country has, Johnny cash.
And white folks in general have devil worship music and shitty metal.

But don’t look at the outliers, look at what makes up the majority.

I love violent gangster rap, and down home country, but there’s no way I allow my kids to hear my rap collection. I save that shit for solitary car rides to and from work. Other than that it’s all pop.

We need to stop glorifying gangsterism and stop allowing the media to plaster these mass shootings all over the news. That will stop a lot of shit.

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Because rational laws dont involve cirizens giving up their rights on thr account of shit demographics. The idea that i need to restrict my freedom because some low IQ dipshit is killing another low IQ dipshit over the color of their bandana is absolute cuckoldry.

All the gun laws you people want wont fix the problem. You think a gang member gives a fuck abiut your “universal background check”. You think restricting sales kf AR is going to do anything to help nkn whites live in a safer environment? Ita not, becauae the real problem, the glorification of hood culture is a billion dollar industry that if anybody dares criticize, would be labeled racist. If you actually gave a single fuck about non white deaths, you would be against mainstream black culture which relies heavily on gang/hood symbolism and its perpetuation.

What ought to be alarming is that these fucks are choosing to kill one another, and in the process murder innocent people. What agould be even more concerning ia that the vast majority of homicides in the hood go unsolved because people refuse to talk to cops becauae

I aint no snitch nigga

Thats what should be alarming. But hey fuck da police am i right? Its the non whites that are the inea who aay fuck non whites with their ahit attitude towards police and embrace of hood/gang culture.

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Oh jeez. This is autism supreme. You have the data i front if you that shows the majority of homicide deaths are due directly to gang violence.

Do me a favor, calculate thw homocide per capita value by factoting out the gang problem. Youll see we would be ine of the safest nations on earth. We dont have a gun problem, we have a gang (demographic) problem.

And hey if it makea you feel better because its i vious to me you dont want ti make the correlation causarion link due to fears and or concerns abiut race.

, if it wasnt blacks and Hispanics, it might have and probably would still be italians and slavic demographics causing the same shit storm.

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And that is the point where I stop taking you seriously in an honest discussion.

The second table is annual. 2013 - 2017.

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I’m surprised he didn’t call you a communist lol

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Yeah, I stopped taking anything that guy has to say seriously a long time ago.

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Definitely some 8channers in here.
RSG isn’t one of them.

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Bunch of Christians upset about Trump saying “goddamn” during his rally. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Love him or hate him, Trump is one of the most goddamn entertaining presidents we’ve ever had. :rofl:

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https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1159532674056429568

https://twitter.com/RealSarahIdan/status/1159568742386323456

California City Denies Request for Straight Pride Rally Permit

Officials from Modesto, California, denied an application from the National Straight Pride Coalition on Friday after the organization requested a permit for space at Graceada Park for an August 24 event, the Associated Press reported.

National Straight Pride Coalition organizer Don Grundmann estimated 500 people would attend the event.

City officials initially denied the organization’s application for Graceada Park because it raised safety issues and the event organizers’ liability insurance had been voided, KTXL reported.

Despite the rejection, the city offered the group an alternative space near the city convention center provided the group proves it has the correct liability insurance and can file a permit by Tuesday.

“If you don’t have insurance, you can’t reserve one of our parks,” city spokesman Thomas Reeves told KOVR-TV.

The permit denial comes off the heels of a contentious Wednesday evening city council meeting at which critics said the organizers of the straight pride event are not promoting heterosexuality but are instead promoting anti-gay and anti-minority policies.

Chris Holland, who planned to counterprotest the rally with other Modesto residents, called the National Straight Pride Coalition “a thinly veiled hate organization.”

“They are dressing up their homophobic agenda as a celebration, which mocks everything that pride is about,” he said.

But organizers of the event say there is nothing to hide and that there is nothing wrong with celebrating heterosexuality.

“Everyone is trying to sensationalize this event and it’s going to be much like a church service,” Co-organizer Mylinda Mason of the National Straight Pride Coalition told KTXL. “I know everybody likes to go and celebrate sodomy but we actually want to celebrate heterosexuality.”

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1160249303488765952

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1160253482424684544

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1160253730538700801

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1160262281999060992

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Musk backing Yang

“RESISTANCE IS FUTILE”

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I agree we have a gang and gang violence problem.

My point is that as long as you have guns you’ll have a much harder time having gangs stop shooting each other. Anyway bans are off the table. We are going to have guns.

Too many out there to start trying to take shit away. And thats not what im in favor of.

Ok here’s my issue with this. The shootings are a problem. They happen on US soil. The same way you don’t want the government to take over citizens or some foreign country to take over the united states, those black and brown people don’t want to give up their guns so police and white people don’t forcefully come in and take over their shit.

You can’t target a single demographic or social class when we make change, but change needs to happen.

Again, no one is talking about bans.

We can’t just dismiss the problem tho because its happening to one group. Its still a problem.

The gun issue in this country is multi dimensional. It needs to be solved from multiple angles. Attack the problem on all sides.

Gang violence and gang culture are one piece of the puzzle. But, just how you can’t single out assault rifles or single out mental health or just blame guns period, you cant just blame it on poor people in the inner cities.

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Amd if you follow the trends, the gang fraction value fluctuates from 65 to 75% year to year. Gangs are the problem, and gangs are prediminatly hispanic black currently. The correlation is cause for the causation.

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Maybe I am missing something, but I don’t see a gang fraction in the link provided. I DLed the fact sheet which has the same content as the infographics. I see intent for both injuries and fatalities, but none of the categories address gangs. The only reference addressing something that high are related to assault with a gun.
https://everytownresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Gun_Violence-America-REPORT-040919A.pdf

The WISQARS dataset does not address the circumstance of the shooting, only the race of the person involved.

The National Gang Center did a report that includes the information from 2012 UCR dataset.

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This bullet from the site is pretty telling:

FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.

It may be that you are accounting for 75% of all gang related violence accounts for firearms, which is more accurate than what you are presenting. It’s a sizable chunk (around 15% for all homicide) but it’s no where near the overall majority.

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http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-stats-perspective.htm

Im not talking about suicide, accidental discharge, accidental death, ir even roberry fone wrong.

The narrative here is that guns are bad because we have a kot of peoole die. Ok, so lets look at rhe most egregious issue. Violent death by firearm during an assault.

If you look at the narrative,

we need to save lives restrict gun!

It can easily be proven to be a crock of shit and waste of time. The si gle largest chink associated with violent death by firearm is at about 12 to 15k lives per year, of whi h 65 to 75% are due to gangs. Gangs font care about your laws, as rhey dont buy legal weapons. The remaining 34 to 24% is coreelated dorectly with criminal assault due to robbery, assault, or stray fire. And those crimes are perpetuated by again, people who dont give a shit about your lawsx and these laws wont deter. Account for this portion of death due to firearms, and youll see that we are statistically safer than england or Australia

Now, lets talk aucide. It doesnr really matter because those people would kill themselves regardleas. And you cant say suicide by gun is an issue. Examining japan, they have super strict laws and they arill find ways to kill themselves. Looking at current trends, people are increasingly offing themselves with prescription drugs and or substances. People will kill themselves either way.

The way the gun control narrative in this page by some of you guys, and perpetuated by the msm, iant conductive to solving thr actual problems. In fact, the laws and regulations passed will do nothing to address the problem of mass murder and more importantly, minority death. It inly makes it harder for law abiding citizens to legally own whats roghtfully owed to them.

And i dont want to hear about mental health checks, as its already a federal offense to lie about your mental state when purchasing a firearm. Enforce the law, and at worst, you can force purchasers or allow the ATF limited access to your health record. But passing all these insane laws, or forcing citizens to take what will be tests biased to ensure its really hard to not come across as a crazy perso (especially in shitholes like cali, as rhey will be used by the dnc to restrict snd effectively ban firearms in the atate), will do nothing to solve the problem.

We dont have a gun problem, we have a gang problem, and that demographic has a cultural deficiency due to the glamourification of of hood culture. We disnt see these levels of violemce among blacks pre segregation and pre great society reformation. I wonder why.

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So is drunk driving. Why arent you seeking to install breathalizers in wvery car? If death is such a cause for concern, why not address other terrible waste of kife.

You are fucking delusional. When the country was actually racist, the rates at which whites will come and ass fuck you for the lulz was small. In fact, iirc, between 1900 up until lynching was made a federal offense, there was only about 4.5 to 5.5k lynchings. Compare that to the amount of black people in one year. You have to kive in some insane levels of fear if you think the problem ks the white man coming to take your shit, when in reality its your neighbors kid whose doing that. And you want to limit the ability of law abiding blacks to defend themselves from criminal scum.

Change needs to happen, and thats a chamge away from hood culture and its glamoufocation. It baffels my mind you people refuse to acknowledge the damage hood profiliteration has done to the black community and family.

Nobody is talking abiut bans? What are you babbling about. They always talk about banning semi automatic rifles, certain equipment, magazine size, armour, etc. The entire point of gun control is to ban weapons and force gun owners to give up certain weapons. This is extremly disengenous of you, and why rational fun ow ers will never go along with your insane ill thought out demands.

Gun violence isnt multidemensional. We can look at that shithole known as england to prove that peoppe will just awitch tactics. You went from guns, to knives, to now acid attacks. In sweden, you now have a grenade epidemic. The idea that restriction works is asinen. It didnt work in prohibition, it didnt work during the drug war. The greatest cause for concern is gang violence. Not mass shootings, gang violence. Youre still more likely to get killed by a mugger than some deranged white boi. Please

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There is no source either of us has provided that proves this point. It’s only stated in the text from that link, but it is no where listed in the document referenced.

Gang Violence Driving Force of Gun Violence

To hear gun control advocates speak, one would be led to believe that gun violence is a widespread problem whereby the mere existence of a gun is as much a problem as the person who intends to wield it. But the reality is that gun homicides are overwhelmingly tied to gang violence. In fact, a staggering 80% of gun homicides are gang-related. According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), gang homicides accounted for roughly 8,900 of 11,100 gun murders in both 2010 and 2011. That means that there were just 2,200 non gang-related firearm murders in both years in a country of over 300 million people and 250 million guns.

Here is the study linked in “accounted for”

There is nothing in the document that correlates to gang violence. Like I mentioned previously, it’s not in the CDC dataset. All of those are based off of the ICD-10 codes. There is one for gangs, but it is not listed within the report provided. You are reading into the number incorrectly.

The only reference of anything resembling the 8,900 number is in Table 1:Deaths and death rates, by age, sex, race, and Hispanic origin, and age-adjusted death rates, by sex, race,
and Hispanic origin: United States, final 2010 and preliminary 2011—Con

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This is from the National Institute of Justice

Gangs and Gun-Related Homicide

Gun-related homicide is most prevalent among gangs and during the commission of felony crimes. In 1980, the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during arguments was about the same as from gang involvement (about 70 percent), but by 1993, nearly all gang-related homicides involved guns (95 percent), whereas the percentage of gun homicides related to arguments remained relatively constant. The percentage of gang-related homicides caused by guns fell slightly to 92 percent in 2008, but the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during the commission of a felony rose from about 60 percent to about 74 percent from 1980 to 2005.[5]

It’s the percentage of gun involvement within that category (gang related), not the overall.

None of the federal sources show that firearm based homicides are 65% - 75% are due to gangs.

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I never said white people ARE a threat. I said nobody is giving guns up in the hood because of the same dumb ass irrational fear that makes hillbilly militia folk think the government or some other country is coming to invade. Except my irrational hypothetical fear story is more likely.

And while im on it what is it with you and these racial tangents? Black dudes pipe your mom or ex gf?

Also acid and grenades don’t seem to keep pace with anything.

There’s a direct correlation between number of guns and number of homicides. So don’t try to spin it into other murder weapons doing the same amount of killing. That’s just not true.

But again, my argument isn’t for bans. It’s that this is a gun/culture issue no matter who is doing the shooting, and it needs to be solved.

You ask about cars again. What about this. What about that.

When i go into a bad neighborhood, i don’t worry about a car killing me.

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