How many times can I like this? Seriously, this website sucks.
Playing against Athena is like playing against Ryu with a slightly better fireball. Playing against King is like playing against 2 Sagats stacked on top of each other.
If memory serves me correct, Anna’s ALWAYS been like that. Put in the proper hands that cunt is like Tyson from Punch Out…with jiggle physics
No…just…no.
The thought of Sagat on top of another Sagat just made me giggle…oooohhhh Tiggggeeerrr lmao
yeah I knew someone would make a joke like that lol
Lil Majin.
You forgot reflect, command grab, fucking stupid run speed, good ass jump CD, good supers, invincible teleport, and a safe string that only 2-3 frame normals can punish, and she jumps high as fuck.
King is not a problem imo, once you get in… it’s over. She’s a really good character, but she can get outpoked and frame trapped to the point that she cant do anything. Also, if her air venom strike is fraaaayyyy at certain distances and both iori’s can punish it damn near full screen with Maiden Masher due to how low he goes down during the super and its fast as fuck.
IMO Athena is better, not to mention she has the foward+A I think it is that makes her backdash better.
A good athena is worse than king.
I was pretty much about to make the exact same points, but am tired as fuck so thank you. Phil would shit all the kimchi he’s ever eaten if Ryu had all that shit.
Yeah basically this post 100%.
Now don’t get it twisted, I HATE King. HATE. But Athena, if you can believe it or not, is probably an even bigger slut. We just don’t have access to a super high level Athena here in MidTN, so we’re still writhing in (well-placed) King hate.
I knew TN had this weird fear of King, but to think she’s scarier or better overall than Athena? There needs to be an intervention now. Unless some new gamebreaking technologicalzzz or a DLC EX King came out, that bitch gotta play the same one way. If she’s not successfully zoning, hit confirming, getting certain moves blocked at max range to make them safe, or a fool let her scoot her ass in to frametrap…w-w-what she gone do? Seriously. Meanwhile, Athena has all these options and is like a clusterfuck of archetypes and all the goodness in the world rolled into one. Y’all crazy as hell.
Wtf Kin? Ryu doesn’t have a damn command grab, reflector, or a teleport. If you really think like this, then you’re probably selling yourself short while using her. If you wanted to make a comparison, she’s more like SETH than anything…
Watches Athena players go forth with newfound confidence
Yea, I was just showing Sev some shenanigans from that guy. Anna has been upper mid in like all of the games except 5.0 when she was nerfed and still was mid, and DR when she was high tier under Mishimas. In T6, after all these years it’s still arguable and debatable (the entire tierlist). But people just lazily throw her back in mid so that if they beat her, whatever. But if they lose, they justify it with she’s hidden boss status.
Many “mythical” characters in the game if you look at it in that regard. But there wasn’t enough of the older players and other guys going to tournaments repping and placing. Players make the tiers.
True statement.
I’ve always repped Tek ( and added SF3 to the list later on) and always will till my body dies out and I can’t afford hookers.Thrid Strike and Tek might be the only two I really just play anymore. AE is boiled booty (compared to 3 imo) noone plays MK anymore and KOF…we all know why I won’t be touching that game.
So we’re going to be training this man in Guilty Gear
If I predict a fireball from Athena with any of my mains I have an easy punish that will go fullscreen, whether it’s EX Redkick or SJ CD. Athena’s lp dp has no invincibility and will get beat out and the hp dp is really not that fast. Athena does have the anti-air super though but it’s hard to do that quickly if someone predicts the fireball (not saying it isn’t great though I’m trying to use it more). Against King you have to guess between one of her 3 fireballs and if you guess wrong you get punished with a full tornado kick drive cancel combo into a meaty fireball and zoned again.
Against Athena you have to guess between fireball and reflect. Any good jump in or CD will blow up the reflect, Iori and Kyo’s good jump-ins give them a half-damage combo off a bad guess (as examples).
I don’t see how King’s st.D and EX flip kick thing aren’t amazing. st.D seems to beat literally almost every poke unless I’m right in her face. Not on Bison roundhouse level but close, seems to be one of the best st.D in the game. That EX kick is scary because it leads to good damage and more zoning in which case it’s round over if you didn’t do work while you were already in. Yes it’s unsafe but what beats it? st.C, meaty, that’s about it as far as I can tell. It catches rekkas with Mature, rekkas with Kyo, pokes from both, every light poke from Athena, command grab from Athena, dive kick, hops etc. It doesn’t catch sweep but why would I point-blank sweep? Because if it’s blocked then tornado kick, tornado kick, venomstrike…
King also has the slide which is hard to deal with…you can guard cancel roll I think but I don’t know if it just punishes or just gets you out. Either way, only way you’re gonna beat the slide is if you do something random. I know King doesn’t really get much offense out of a slide but if it’s blocked she’s at the right distance to do it again. The more pokes, another slide, repeat. If you try to hop out? EX flip kick, tornado kick, backdash, round over.
Athena is probably a better character. But she’s more straightforward. I “get” why I lose to Athena when I do but not King.
King can’t really do shit about pressure once you get in her face her only good reversal is ex kicks which if you bait and she misses you have a hour to punish her hard. Patience is the key to beating king rushing in too much can get you killed you just have to push her to corner slowly zangief walk forward style. Once you get her there never let her out.
lol I’m down for it. Only one I just played was the one they put on psp.
Yeah I noticed that I was having more success intentionally losing 1/3rd of my health walking forward than trying to jump ever. Either that or doing nothing for 30+ seconds was the best strategy.
Athena is def a “better” character for several reasons but if for nothing else her sheer volume of options. King isnt garbage but she doesn’t get what Athena does. King can only beat you in a strait forward way. If you lose to a King its because your spacing/footsie was worse than the person playing her. I mean she gets all this hate and yet you have chars in the game that can kill you off a trade AA or one touch you with like 2 bars and some drive, or who have wake up that includes a safe teleport that cancels into a cmd grab
-sD: This is an awesome poke and its active for ever with a good hit box. Its also slow as shit on start up its not something she can just mash
-EX Trap Shot (back flip kicks): Can be safe jumped on her wake up all day, is easily punishable and some hero pokes (read Kyo, Iori ect) can actually stuff it at certain ranges. It does eat up a lot of ground pokes though when done as a frame trap but thats assuming you fall for the trap. Cause if not you get another big punish
-Air to Air: King has great normals in this instance except VS Athena. A’s jump height plus amazingly good jCD basically mean she controls any air to air space
-Slide: King does get some good offense off this move. Its easy to hit confirm into any of her special moves into a combo because of the long hit stun on it, it also sets up its own frame traps at specific distances. If you GC Roll it you can punish it if she cancels it into a Venom strike but if she doesn’t she will prolly be able to get away
Overall you play King like any other zoning char patiently get around FBs using the games universal tool set or use your char specific tools to handle FBs (reflects or moves/supers that go through FBs for free). When you get a knockdown you apply your pressure game. And if the King player is pressuring you just block. She has NO way to open a person up outside of CH set ups. She has no cmd grab, no overhead, reg grabs are meh and she does little dmg to the guard bar.
If you want to see how lopsided this match can be for Athena watch me play Lil Majin. I think my King beats his Athena 1/8 or so if im lucky.
Edit: Kin: Yes when you started playing much more patiently in our least set you were doing way better in those rounds. I wouldnt say intentionally loose life though lol
We’ll also be training this guy in Guilty Gear
New Tekken movie prequel? From Joystiq front page:
This and VF5 yes
Im gonna learn her just for you Chris. Just for you.
Yeah, Mr Taxi is a unique Anna player, who will play his way and don’t give a fuck what people may think, he’ll play his game and that’s way he has beaten alot of top player. My peoples from SoVA told me about for awhile and I got some games with at FR and the kid knows Anna well. He’ll use all her tools and take advantage of her frame advantage strings.
Stick with her Sev, she’s a good character.
Sorry guys. I’m not heading up there for the tourney today. The other people riding had to bail out, and I don’t feel like making a solo trip today. Hopefully see you guys Tuesday.