TEKKEN 7 | Lounge

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

for this game they needed to redesign the characters. what the fuck are they doing donning t6 clothes

As has been stated, Harada now wants to develop an “iconic” look/outfit for each character. So characters that changed clothing with each installment wont be doing so now. You’ll likely have to wait for the alternate outfits for anything new.

This would make more sense if Tekken were a 2d game.

[Razerwyre]

King will most likely be nerfed, they have not begun to balance yet. This is just a location test.

That being said, I hope most of the feedback Harada is receiving is negative regarding rage arts.

It is great that he is implementing new things to refresh the game but this may be departing too far from what Tekken is known to be. There is no profit in abandoning your dedicated fan-base for a few new players.

[Lord_Raptor]

How the fuck are rage arts abandoning your current fanbase

[Mancub]

I’ll take enhancing the damage of a combo via a Rage Art over hitting people for 1/4th of their health bar with pokes during Rage.

[Conrad09]

Summary of Harada’s stream discussion during the location test:

-The Tekken Development team is reading online message boards for feedback.
-He found 2 unexpected things from this Location test.
-First, in previous Tekken game's location testing, those games were considered 'unrefined' back in their time. For Tekken 7's Location test, he hasn't had that feedback yet.
-Players at the location test were mostly not worried about the online connection quality. There wasn't much of a negative reaction regarding the lag in the arcade-to-arcade matches.
-The second thing Harada was surprised about was how the players didn't really mind the current graphical quality of the game.
-Since the game is currently running at 60% of the graphical quality output, the lighting on all the characters are not yet finished. The background environment in the stages have no lighting at all for the location test also.
-Once they finish working on the character lighting, the female characters in the game will look more cuter then they do now.
-However completely realistic lighting aren't going to be incorporated as that doesn't always turn up with good looking results.
-The Unreal Engine is being rebuilt to add more costumes, arts/techniques, character poses etc into the game.
-The latest build of Tekken 7 is a lot more advanced then the one at the Location test. The location test is running on a 2 month old version of the game.
-In order to achieve a higher level of perfection with Tekken 7, the team is working towards refining and making it a lot more better.
-The sparks and hit effects are currently set to max level in the location test build. Harada hasn't really received much negative feedback about the sparks bothering the players too much.
-We're experimenting with how effective the Power Crush moves should be as well as the damage the Rage Arts do in the location test.
-We were specific with the Power Crush moves at first to make them easy to understand but we may tweak their properties in the future.
-There are pros and cons to the removal of bound.
-Within the Tekken series there's always have been those that want us to remove bound from the games. Likewise, there are also people who appreciate the bound feature in the games to make the combos easier and to reduce the stress of performing them.
-Although gathering everyone's thoughts on certain game features and having a democratic style vote on them may sound like a good idea, it is not always a good idea to just go with what the larger majority of players suggest.
-There are 'core' Tekken players loved Tekken 4, their reasoning is not generally considered correct.
-Tekken 4's juggles were hated, the flat stages were hated 'x in Tekken 4 was hated' etc. That game ended up attracting a lot of negative feedback.
-The team likes to work on removing things in the games that people really hated. It's not really interesting for the development team to just hear all the 'good' feedback.
-There are 2 new Tekken characters in this Location Test with more new characters on the way.
-There is not much currently known about the new character Claudio. There will be more details and new information on him in the future.
-The team is working on creating a character in Tekken 7 to 'battle against Devil.'
-Currently within the development team, Claudio is really strong as a character.
-Katarina is a new character we've made with the concept of being easy to use for both beginners and advanced players.
-The Soul Calibur team which has a 'deep knowledge' on developing female characters were charmed by Katarina it seems.
-In Tekken 5 & 6, I was asked some times before about where Ling Xiaoyu's baggy white socks from her school uniform was. I think it's safe to say those things are out of fashion nowadays. This turned out to be an unexpectedly important topic that we now leave to the women and younger members of the staff.
-Kazuya's coat in Tekken 7 is really taxing on the processing side.
-Making more costumes and items really increases the production costs.
-We have a budget that is 1/4 of that which we had back in Tekken 5. The team is hard at work developing but they can't help it if the team doesn't have enough funds to make everything.
-Holding back on the stick during Paul's Rage Arts alters the ender part of it. You can choose to let the Rage Art play normally or hold back during it and Paul will not do the deathfist finisher. If you don't do that ender, you can replace it with your own combo.
-I wanted to see how many players at the location test would notice that ability but it looks like nobody did.
-We're maybe thinking of doing time release characters in Tekken 7.
-The throw breaking was made easier but the team is still not completely set on it and may adjust it.
-The background music in the final round of matches changes to a tune with a higher tempo.
-At this Location Test, advanced players will probably have noticed that we made side stepping weaker in this build.
-Changes were made to every character with also some added some new moves, they want to hear people's thoughts on them. The overall game system is still being worked on.
-The super slow motion effect was programmed to trigger when a character is one hit away from death. The slow motion too is taxing on the processing side of things but this effect was something they wanted in this game.
-There's consideration for putting in collaboration Idolmaster and Tales Of costumes into the game if there is enough demand for it.
-They're considering the 'stress' levels of beginner level players for Tekken 7. Harada doesn't want them to feel overwhelmed.
-Arcades aren't required to have the online modes on for Tekken 7 if they want. They know there's arcade with veteran players that wish to just play locally.
-The team is aiming towards making players who play online be matched up with players of their skill level.
-In regards to the game's online connection tests, Kyushu to Korea and Tokyo to Korea's connection test resulted with a low ping. We're doing testing with Taiwan and Tokyo to Osaka but more location testing in foreign countries to try the connection may be required.
-For the online connection of Tekken 7, Namco is not using a private internet line. Harada doesn't want to increase cost for arcades by making them get expensive private internet connections for this game.
-Harada doesn't want arcade cabinets to be outrageously expensive for arcades. The concept, design and planning for the Noir cabinets were all by Harada.
-The Noir cabinets has a really good reputation. China has been mass producing fake Noir cabinets.
-The option to pick which side (1P-2P) to play on is added to the game. When you're playing online in the arcades, the choice of which side will go to the new challenger.
-Noir cabinets display the games at 720p but there are now Noir cabinets that display at full HD.
-In Tekken Tag Tournament 2, corpse kicking (doing anything after KO'ing an opponent) was taken out because when we tested corpse kicking in that game out, they found that a lot of people found corpse kicking unpleasant. That and with the way replays worked and our memory limitations for the game, they finally opted to not put it in.
-Although not really used much overseas, there are items you can buy that do allow a form of corpse kicking.
-Adding some bar or gauge on the screen for players to see their ranks and how far away they're are from promotion/demotion isn't something Harada wants to add. He doesn't want players trying to calculate or worry about their rank 'points'.
-Harada's main character is Feng. He's doing the best he can to play Tekken so he can beat Holland's champion.
-Harada personally thinks adding signboards into games with the developer on it is pointless.
-'There's a character in Soul Calibur 5 that looks like me? I don't know what you're talking about.'
-Harada can add things to the game that some players may want, but there may also be other players that won't get excited for it.
-Europe and the middle-east make up a large number of the Tekken player base but those areas may not play the game at a high level. There's been players from those regions that come to Japan and go home much better.
-In the middle east, Harada is really surprised that there is a huge fan base for FPS and Fighting games.
-Harada feels that Tekken players aren't really the 'devoted only to Tekken' types of players. There's not many people with deep emotional attachments to the characters.
-There's also not a lot of players that will be overly defensive of the Tekken series against 'anti-Tekken' opinions. Tekken isn't absolutely everything to the players.
-A lot of people rate Tekken Tag Tournament 2 pretty high giving it a high metascore. However the team doesn't hear a lot from the non-core players that don't rate Tag 2 as highly.
-He says that we can't continue going on by just dedicating the games to the 'core' level of Tekken players. 'It's pretty easy for us to appeal to the core players.'
-He's heard before from Ono-san at Capcom that they made Street Fighter Third Strike a really difficult game to get into that appeals to the 'maniac level' of dedicated players.
-Although you'll find that Third Strike is highly rated and you often hear about people praising it. But that's because you only hear from those who hold it in high regard.
-Tekken players will not consider Tekken games as 'good' solely because of the balancing.
-If the team only took in the good feedback from players in the Tekken series, we might have still been playing a Tekken 4-like game.
-The other week when Harada went to an American tournament (StrongStyle) which had different players from around the world, there was a Tekken 4 tournament being ran with some players pointing to it and saying 'MY BEST GAME!' He considered it a weird scene to see.
-There's a lot of player that consider Tekken Tag 2 the best Tekken game. The feedback from these players is something to be wary of.
-Harada finds that the players that consider either Tekken 3, 5 or 6 the best Tekken game have the best reasoning.
-Harada heavily considers the opinions of those who create twitter accounts and sends him tweets with feedback very important.
-Harada wants to hear from all sort of people on their thoughts about playing Tekken games, not just the people that are already fans of the series.
-During the time of Tekken 4, there was a huge amount of players that dropped off from the series.
-Harada finds Street Fighter Third Strike players interesting since that game made a lot of the fanbase stop playing but kept a small 'core' group of people that loved it.
-After hearing a lot of feedback, they're getting rid of the rage system that was used before. It had too much of a terrible reputation in Japan and overseas. It's an appeal to the 'silent majority.' During the time of Tekken 6, a lot of the younger generation of players like high school students and college students got into the game. The comeback mechanics for allowing these new players to pull off great comebacks was thought to be necessary for these players at the time. After 2 years of operation the surveys for the game turned up with good approval ratings from people.
-Harada doesn't want people to come up to him and complain about rumors that they hear on the internet regarding the games. He wants a lot of streams and videos of Tekken 7 for people to see for themselves.
-You can participate in the closed Location Test by registering for a Tekken net account. The team wants feedback from a wide range of players (not just Tekken 6/ TAG2 players).
-Tekken is Harada's life's work. 

http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2014/10/6/summary-of-haradas-chat-session-at-the-location-test.html

[Razerwyre]

How the fuck are rage arts abandoning your current fanbase

Let me clarify.

The combination of changes made thus far, power crush moves, as well as Rage Arts (which are both armored) present a new characteristic to gameplay.

For most Tekken players, this seems a bit like a rip-off of street fighter, and out of character for Tekken as we have come to know it. The last thing that anyone needs is for someone to armor through your safe 1,2 or mid poke with a rage art doing 40% in damage for the win.

Just look at how people reacted to invincible moves in Tekken Revolution.

[p.m_novaroad_pilot]

yeah armor fucks with frame traps and movement/decisions after implementing them

and i like tekken 4 but lets not pretend like that shit wasnt broken

[blufang]

Lots of interesting stuff, Harada really speaks his mind doesn’t he? I wish all game developers were as frank and forward. BTW I wonder why Tekken 7 only gets 1/4 of the budget of Tekken 5? It is Namco’s flagship fighting series, and has every iteration seems to be a megahit saleswise.

[Cathrao]

@blufang I wonder that myself. Maybe acquiring UE4, while still much cheaper than development of an in-house next-gen engine, still took some money from the budget?

How much do I have to pay for Unreal Engine 4?

UE4 is available for $19 per user per month, with a 5% royalty on gross revenue after the first $3,000 per game per calendar quarter from commercial products.

Assuming per user means per PC, …well, I don’t know how many people work there (not just the Tekken branch). Then training of all the employees in UE4 usage can be another expense.

I don’t know, just a shot in the dark. Maybe it’s some shareholder bullshit or whatnot. I mean, Harada is doing a lot of controversial stuff lately; TR being free to play, T7 having a PC port (though more likely just a decision based on having a multiplatform engine)…

Was TTT2 a financial success overall (long-term) for the folks at Namco Bandai? Everywhere I look, they say it missed the sales target.

[TheFreshPrince]

IDGAF what anybody says, Tekken 7 looks great to me. It is obvious that Harada has picked up some ideas from Ono and the rest of the SF creative team while working on SFxt/TxSF. I think after some refinement, that these systems can be really great and fresh for the series. I also love how open Harada is about how he wants his game to turn out. You have to respect the fact that he actually tries to listen to the fans and implement some of the things that are most requested.

[d3v]

I don’t know, just a shot in the dark. Maybe it’s some shareholder bullshit or whatnot. I mean, Harada is doing a lot of controversial stuff lately; TR being free to play, T7 having a PC port (though more likely just a decision based on having a multiplatform engine)…

TR was done because Namco as a whole has been trying to make free-to-play versions of their core franchises (Ridge Racer, Ace Combat, and of course, Soul Cal and Tekken) as of late.

[Lemres]

I was liking the Rage Arts until I realized that it’s all rehashed moves combined to form a super move. The camera zooms and angles just make it look extra fancy which feels cheap to me. I do like that new bound system though. Looks cooler than the previous bound imo.

It looks like a T6.5 right now, but I’m sure it’ll come around. I’ll be getting it regardless lol.

[Cathrao]

TR was done because Namco as a whole has been trying to make free-to-play versions of their core franchises (Ridge Racer, Ace Combat, and of course, Soul Cal and Tekken) as of late.

Oh, I know. But something had to push them in that direction…is what I meant.

[Rioting_Soul]

1/4 the budget of a PS2-spec game? I don’t think that was wise to say. I get the feeling we are going to have a very small(for Tekken) roster at start and we’ll be getting DLC characters a la ASW later on.

[d3v]

ATP article has been edited. Harada stated that the have 4 times the budget as Tekken 5, not 1/4th.

[mowr]

Lol that’s a pretty important distinction.

[S00perCam]

So do that mean a better tekken force/ Devil within?

[Great_Dark_Hero]

Here’s some more information to share based on the clarifications made by Harada-san.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz20MQtgN1I

EDIT:
Cell phone being weird again.

[Ki_Shima]

for this game they needed to redesign the characters. what the fuck are they doing donning t6 clothes

As has been stated, Harada now wants to develop an “iconic” look/outfit for each character. So characters that changed clothing with each installment wont be doing so now. You’ll likely have to wait for the alternate outfits for anything new.

yeah I know he’s going for the iconic look but the costumes are giving away how similar it looks from t5-t6-tag2-tr they need to at least make the blocking animation more interesting fucking hell lol I think thats the best way to make it look more attractive, change that blocking animation

HARADA ADVANCE THAT BLOCKING ANIMATION

[Yusuke_The_Detective]

Why are people complaining about costumes? There’s gonna be customization, so I don’t even get how thats a complaint.