I’m just requoting this for the fun of it, but yeah he’s so off with that, since VF came out in 1993 whereas Tekken came out in like early 1995. 
You all realize that Tekken 5 is just what Tekken 4 should have been and is here just to take your money. Namco is getting smart. First with the whole Conquest mode on SC2. It wasn’t about high level play but the amount of tokens in the machine. Tekken 5 is about getting people through a match so the next person can put in 75 cents. It does have a learning curve, but as most people have pointed out moves and juggles do a bunch of damage. Now it is the cards. Basically Tekken 4 wasn’t as big as it was hoped in the Orient. This is due to it being to Jin and Steve. At least Namco is being receptive in giving us great graphics, different animation for throw escapes that look cool, easier jf, a level of being able to punish move moves, not being owned next to a wall by constant wall throws/pressure. I realize that they instead gave us combos that do a lot damage and are easy to pull off. But at least they made most of the characters have to win their fights instead of whoring a couple moves. With the exception of Bryan’s B+1. Namco is a business people. They gave their consumers what they want. No to mention they are making a bunch of money. Bitch all you want about which games are better or who is cheap but you are still going to play it aren’t you??? This is the truth folks.
haha, i try
WasFemto - There are character specific juggles. Alot of them. If you want me to name a couple classes, I’ll try real quick for you.
Tiny -
Ling
Roger
Semi Tiny -
Lee
Asuka
Specific Females -
Nina
Anna
Normal -
Bruce
Feng
Bryan
Yoshi
Long Legs -
Hwoarang
Baek
Raven
Semi Big -
Marduk
King
Big -
Jack 5
Super Big -
Kuma/Panda
Those are just some examples. Some juggles will transcend through the size classes but that just means you could be doing more damage if a juggle does work on both.
Bro, that’s the problem. There aren’t THAT many combos in active use right now that DON’T trancend weight classes. I can do Lee df+2, 12f~n, 12f~n~f+2,3 on EVERY character in the game. I can do Lee uf+4, 44, b+1,1~f~n, 12f~n, 1, ff+3 on everyone. I’ve played the best players in the Okinawa region for SBO Quals last month, and really, outside of poking games, once that launcher hits, the combo that follows is 100% the same shit, dependant on the launcher(Yes Bryan, I’m looking at your d+3,2 BS XX Wall Death combo), and not on the character.
Character-specific combos seem based more on size. If there is a consistent weight system, it’s pretty much a non-factor. Jack kinda floats weird and that’s about it.
Ofcourse you can do certain juggles on pretty much all the characters, but you’re missing out on damage in the long run.
When the game is out for a little bit longer you’ll see the change in juggles. Took a while for TTT big juggles to even come into play, like Jin’s EWGF, f+3, dash 1+(4),2, temblor b+4, b+4
edit: zigfried is gay :karate:
at least i make you understand it, and btw i’m latin if you din’t notice, so i’m not perfect at english…estupido
Only size based problem Ive come across is Devil Jin’s b+1->wgf after low parry launching Kuma/Panda too far away to land laser cannon
Ok in the big picture, the only fact that has been established here is that people got into a arguement over which game is better and its by the same people that said they were trying to avoid it…
As far as my exp. goes for both games. People are gonna generally like the game they are better at. Pure and simple. I would bet money that the people that play both games are better then one then other so they prefer the game they win at more well b/c who doesn't like winning. And i gurrante the people that play just one game of the other, Generally suck ass in the game they don't play, for whatever reason. My tekken skills are no where near as good as my VF4evo skills. Hince i prefer to play Vf4 anyday if i have the crowd for it. But I play and practice T5 way more then i ever did for VF4. Cuz well, i never played any of the tekkens " besides a little random Pair Play Tag, That shit is fun " before i played T5. I had been playing VF from the get go. I thought Tekken was extremly stupid and all about " if you don't pick a mishima, then you ain't playing to win ". Which was pretty short minded of me to think but my opinion was helped with T4. As far as Vf goes, You can pick any character and train hard and win with them " except Lau, he is just terrible ". and thats what i loved about VF and got me started playing and concentrating only on VF. But now that im older, I have opened my mind up to things and play Tekken now. I still think alot of stuff in T5 is just out right bull shit but i can point out the simularites of the same bull shit that is in VF........ Akira meet Bryan, Bryan meet Akira.Wait but Akira takes skill…
Cans of worms rock.
Your logic scares me.
I play both Tekken 5 and VF4:FT. I like VF more. A LOT more. HOWEVER, I managed to be one step too close to qualifying for Okinawa in Tekken 5 to go to SBO3. There’s something wrong there, I think.
Akira != Bryan. Akira does NOT have TWO safe mid launchers that lead to 60% + wall BS, Akira doesn’t have one of the few high dodging low attacks that once again, leads to 60% + Wall BS. Akira doesn’t have a “counter” that leads to free 40-45%. Akira can’t freely do a move that opens your guard for a high launcher that other characters that have an extremely similar version of, but have a more complicated command to do so. Oh, and that launcher sets up a free 50% juggle too. Akira can’t SPAM aforementioned safe mid launchers until they hit so he can do his BS damage.
95% of all the Bryan players I’ve seen do not have to work mind games at ALL in order to rack up wins. Unless you count b+1, backdash/SS, b+1, repeat, to be a mindgame.
Maybe you should’ve said Kage? Jacky?
Bump!
I’m drunk
VF rules
Lingnis cut tho’! woot
Why in gods name would you bump this monstrosity?
I want to know, how do i get up from the floor without getting hit from my opponent, cause i hate when i’m on the floor and i can’t stand up, because the game make it difficult to stand up and guard at the same time, so i want to know if theres some others way of stand up.
To stand up after being knocked down, tap Up, then hold back or down-back to block the incoming attacks. Sometimes the stun on some knockdown moves will not let you stand up quite immediately.
To tech roll as you hit the ground, tap 1 or 2 to roll away from the screen or tap 3 or 4 to roll towards the screen.
I have tekken5 and vf4evo and must say that evo is a hell of alot better.People are complainig about how evo is not fun because of the fact you can’t pick up and play like how you can do in tekken. Tekken is a pick a character and find one juggle and bang you just mastered half the game. Evo is not newb friendly and I hope vf5 will be the same because how would you feel if you were a pro athlete and someone who never played your sport just came along and owned you in it like how people that are 7dans are getting beat by begginers in tekken. And to the dude who said that evo had no floor damage pick lei fei’s stage and you will see not only the stage floor cracks, the damage stays all rounds without disappearing plus if you knockdown a personn in the same spot the cracked tiles will turn to dirt(you have to play evo to know what im saying).
I was suprsied that Tekken 5 didn’t have “Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution” crossed out with “Tekken 5” written above it with a fat marker in some places.
At this point in the arguement does it really matter? Everything that has been said or will be said was said 3 pages ago. Let it go
I don’t know what you want me to say. If you think you shouldn’t even get close you could always fall back on Japan being bad at Tekken in general if you wanted. I bet I could’ve qualified and I’m not even top 15 in SoCal.
scrubs.
Sorry I have to keep this going but ignorance just really gets to me.
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why yes, yes it is.