1601

Wait a second, I haven’t been following this super closely but, wasn’t the police report false? It said he had blood on his shirt and contusions on his head but the video of him being arrested showed that he had no signs of a struggle.

Edit: Murder 2 can be proven with forensic evidence as well. Hearsay and circumstantial horseshit will not fly. The jury is bound under strict rules, the entire nation wanted Casey Anthony to fry and she walked.

1602

Trayvon mom "I believe it was an accident, it just got out of control…

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/12/11159111-trayvon-martins-mom-says-she-thinks-his-killing-was-an-accident?lite

LOL,her lawyer is going to be pissed…Accidents aren’t murder2…

1603

I don’t really see how you accidental shoot someone with a gun. But that’s just me it’s like oops I tripped and fired a shot in his chest?

1604

Yeah, its called involuntary manslaughter. I’m too lazy to find out what Florida’s precedents are.

1605

she cleared that up actually. she meant that the accident was that Trayvon and Zimmerman had crossed paths. She said she had felt that Zimmerman had racially profiled, followed, hunted(pretty sure she used that word) and murdered her son. TruTV is on top of their game

1606

If this had happened in Detroit or Houston nobody would have given a damn as it happens all the time.

1607

you can. especially if you dont know how to use a gun…i know how to use a gun. amazing when i see people at a gun range learning the awful mistakes that are made simply pulling a gun out… not defending zimmerman cause sorry he looks like clumsy dude but knowing how people cant use guns (this includes “gangstas” and the 'give me a gun an ill_______" )…yeah you can… big time.

in this case… a dude was in a scuffle for being nosey… couldnt handle his own an had to resort to that.

1608

I could understand if Zimmerman accidentally shot himself (like Plaxico Buress) however, it should take a little bit of thought and maybe he was caught up in the moment. However, his finger was on the trigger and he pulled down on it I’m not sure how that becomes accidental.

1609

scenario… again… no defending zimmerman just showing you can accidentally shoot someone:

saw a dude getting jumped on an in the midst of finally having a clearing he pulls out his glock 17… now in the midst of his speech he screams you muthafuccas back up an might i remind you everyone is in that ‘pause’ situation… as the idiot he was safety was off an he did not know the sensitivity of said trigger an wit his adrenaline obviously pumping an him flaring as he was waving to spead em back he let of a shot…guy gets popped in the arm and EVERYONE ran even him… again… accidental. he was only trying to stop them dudes from really puttin a hurt on him an for him to ‘make clear’ an get out.

zimmerman never claimed accidental from the jump i believe an told the cops yeah i shot him. so i can’t even roll wit that in this case… but again accidental i know it an in the class i had to take they explain that which basically answered my thoughts on it as well especially after witnessing a situation like above.

1610

I hear what you’re saying but what I’m questioning is whether or not we can come to a reasonable conclusion based on a certain action. If your hand is on the trigger of a gun the odds of the gun going off are extremely higher than if they’re not on the trigger. If you don’t have the intention of shooting then why is your hand on the trigger ? A lack of common sense doesn’t turn it into an accident in my view.

As for the situation to me that isn’t an accident the kid didn’t know his weapon. That’s just straight up ignorance. Guns are dangerous they become even more dangerous when they’re used by people without knowledge of them. But the gun isn’t going to go off “accidentally” if your finger isn’t on the trigger. People need to stop watching TV and act as though that shit holds up in real life.

1611

Zimmerman appears in court - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17691459

During the brief hearing, a date of 29 May was set for a formal reading of the charges and a bail hearing.

1612

If it was solid, Zimmerman wouldn’t be charged with 2nd degree murder or anything for that matter.

1613

The prosecutor can be overshooting her load right now we can’t forget. The way the criminal justice system is in America it’s up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So what that means is fuck what the activist and main stream media is saying what can be proved in court? There’s only 2 people who know exactly what happened and one of them is 6 feet under.
So while Zimmerman may have shot this kid admitted he shot him doesn’t mean he’s going to jail for 2nd degree murder. If anything going for 2nd degree murder is going to more than likely end up with Zimmerman going out free. Just look back to the Casey Anthony trail. The prosecutor can overcharge someone and it’s up to them to chose the charges. However, there’s no way you can claim it’s solid not when the guy wasn’t even arrested the day of the shooting. The if we factor the self defense laws in FL the prosecution case gets even harder.

This case is far from solid and is probably going to end up costing the prosecutor her job.

1614

Prosecutors cannot “overcharge” people. There’s something called probable cause at the preliminary hearing.

The arm-chair lawyering in this thread is insane.

Edit: After actually reading what you just wrote, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Please tell me you aren’t in law school because the odds on money is you’re failing civpro.

Double lawyer edit: I took the bait here are the FL statutes:

The statutes: Murder 2: “ (2)The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.”

Manslaughter 1 “ 1)The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Manslaughter is a lesser included offense of Murder 2. So the case may proceed on the Murder charge, and the defendant be convicted at trial of Manslaughter.

It would be difficult to see an “ulterior motive” here, since there are facts which would support a Murder conviction and there charging murder doesn’t preclude a manslaughter conviction.
Charging murder arguably makes it easier on them, in the event any jurors decide they want to “split the baby” and not convict on the top charge, but not let him walk completely.

1615

Yes this why i question this attorney ethics on this…Maybe her plan is please the mob for Murder2 & the end she really wanted just manslaughter…

My mind is still fucking blown…Who the hell calls 911 & tell the location & then murder someone…Holy shit, i really cant make sense of this…Evidence & eye witnesses provided, how can she actually go for Murder 2…At worse i thought manslaughter but Murder2…

1616

If he was knowingly disregarding the risk that Trayvon would die because of his actions, that fits into the murder 2 category. Forensics and a forthcoming psychological evaluation should make this more clear to the jury. Lawyers are paper pushers and not grand manipulators, trust me.

At the very least, and this is purely conjecture, he displayed criminal negligence in the handling of his firearm, which would put him in the manslaughter 1 category.

I think Zimmerman is going to get caught in his own trap, his own version of the events will be thrown into question. For example, if forensics identifies the plea for help during the 911 call as Trayvon’s. There are a lot of moving pieces here but the prosecutor’s money shot is in Zimmermans highly shoddy personal cover-up.

1617

So my friend tell me what happens if she doesn’t prove probable cause at the pre trail hearing? No I’m not in law school.

1618

She has probable cause, there was no one there, a dead kid, and a dubious police report. Probable cause is the easiest thing for non-lawyers to understand:

I tell you I shot someone in self defense but there was no one there, a dead body, and my story doesn’t add up. Would you just believe everything I said?

For any Zimmerman apologists, aka people who think it’s OK to solve your problems with Gun Kata, acquittal is still on the table for him.

1619

na, I wouldn’t you think I’m a zimmerman apologist but I’m not. I think the arrest should of been made on location not over a month later.

She can file any type of charges she wants to however, I don’t see how she gets murder 2 (and she wants him to fax the max penalty).

Then after he’s arrested you investigate log everything and then take your evidence to the prosecutor so that they can decide what today. The problem with this case and the beef I have with it is they waited 40 days afterwards to say whats what. Now it looks like it’s going to be this big old legal battle that eventually waste a bunch of tax payer money and will eventually lead to an acquittal.

I’m not hoping for this guy to get off or anything of the sort. I’d rather see better police work and see things get done by the book. If there’s nothing on the back then there should be a law that states that someone is arrested every time a shooting or fatal shooting is occurred. Whether it’s self defense or not.

To me it’s ridiculous how it took over a month for him to get arrested now that he is arrested. What charges are you going to through at him ? Murder 2 really ? That’s sketchy and something I doubt is going to hold up if she they had the evidence to say murder 2 is legit. Then why wasn’t he arrested and charged with that at the time?

I can’t think of any case where someone who’s killed somebody admitted to it there was an altercation before the shooting. Then that person wasn’t arrested. Hell in domestic violence cases they remove both spouses from the house that night (typically). You mean to tell me she’s got probable cause for murder 2 after no arrest was made?

It’s a long shot and a reach a best. This is a hail mary effort in my view and one that isn’t going to work. Maybe there’s facts that we’re missing however, where we these facts after he killed travyon ? Or is this the type of police work we should expect from now on ? letting killers walk for over a month ? then charging them? What if Zimmerman would of killed someone else while he wasn’t charged with anything ?

1620

The thing is it does add up…His testimony matches the witnesses testimony…