It always has so far. Its really good and crucial in ST.
Dude STFU, Capcom doesnt give a shit what you think…seriously.
Uhhhh are you being sarcastic?
At Fight Club, Capcom gave Marn the privilege of actually play testing Hawk…
Well it was mainly Seth K that gave him privilege, but the MAIN Capcom ppl are in Japan…they are the ones making the game, balancing, and mechanics. So I meant that the Capcom team in Japan that are responsible for making this game really dont give a shit what MARN thinks…
T hawk will only be good if they make him more like HDR t hawk. ST hawk was BAAAAD!!
the following pros and cons of t hawk
Pros:
-Dives allow T Hawk to punish lots of move and whiffs.
-Dives allow T hawk to build meter/get in on opponents from full screen. (Zangief lacks this skill).
-He used to have high priority normals, especially jumping jab.
-Good cross up, and low pokes, which lead well into 360.
-Solid anti-air with rising indian.
-short dive > 360 was hard to defend (or at least you had to react)
Cons:
-Dive is heavily punishable on block
-Dive does not cross up
-Not many combos
-hard to beat turtle characters with health lead (Dee Jay, guile)
-Can be zoned easily
We shall see how he turns out in SF4. My guess is that he will not be bottom tier but will probably somewhere middle tier and will probably be better than gief.
You dont know how to play ST hawk if you think HDR hawk is better. Real talk. Old hawk > Remix Hawk. Dive isnt even heavily punishable on block in ST. Its hilarious the kind of misconceptions people think. I can name 3 characters off the top of my head that can punish it 100% of the time. Sim, Rog, and Blanka (I think, might be the same as honda where you eat block damage).
Short Dive > 360 is a shitty tactic. What moves can he punish on whiff with dive? He has to heavily anticipate a fireball to do that. Did you even play hawk in ST?
-Old hawk > New Hawk actually new hawk should almost never be used in ST.
-HDR hawk I thought was a little better by his position on land after a dive. ( but if he isnt better than ST version he isnt that far worse either)
-ALL 3 of the mentioned versions of hawks are low on the “tier” list
-You were right about the blocked dive, but dont forget E Honda, and the shotos on high blocks. Thats 7 Characters including 2 high tier characters that you will see often.
-Short dive > 360 is good if you can get your opponent to block or not reversal on your landing if they were anticipating a block. 360 would beat anything accept a reversal.
-And hell no i didnt play Hawk in ST but did/do play against a good thawk in ST almost every day
E.Honda cant punish dive. Reversal or not.
Im gonna agree with gridman on ST Hawk, also if you are using the dive right only those three he mentioned can punish. I can’t remember the last time I got hit by a shoto doing it.
My Suggestions for T. Hawk:
BDP+P: Condor Spire
J,BDP+P: Air Condor Spire Can be followed by the Condor Dive.
Ultra 2: Canyon Splitter from SFA3T. Hawk looking godlike in the live feed. Those pokes have great range and they look fast. Plus frames on block for far st. fierce, he threw out one and then CHed Ryu with another right after. EX DP > EX Hawk Dive does so much damage. I can’t say I like the damage on jab SPD but I do like the options afterward. Also, st. MK xx DP was whiffing on almost everyone, so that better be fixed.
So it looks like T. Hawk’s second Ultra is anti-air only, it whiffs against standing opponents. It remains to be seen whether they’ll make his DP FADCable, so we can juggle into it, but I doubt they’ll do it. Frankly I hope they don’t, I like the way it works currently, where you can make an EX DP safe with EX Condor Dive. Who knows though? I imagine I’ll probably be a 720 player.
Vid of T-Hawks other ultra
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I was probably the player you saw in the live feed. I just posted a bunch of stuff in the fight club impressions thread but I’ll try to take any questions here.
out of all the hyped ssf4 characters i’d say T hawk was the least anticipated. him and maybe dee jay but i’ve seen more ppl saying they will play dee jay more than ppl saying they will play t hawk.
Does ex command grab do more damage than a FP grab, or is it like giefs where you just gain extra positioning for your meter
I think it’s mote the fact that T.Hawk was one of the first “new” characters revealed, and the more fickle crowd has gone to the other new characters that have been shown since. T.Hawk wasn’t horribly popular in ST, he was pretty much demanded just to round out the ST cast in SF4. But the people who really were set on wanting to play him (like me) are definitely sticking it out with him.
EX command grab does a little less than fp version (or it felt like it to me anyway, its either that or the same) and I believe you land a bit closer than you would have with a fp, so basically like gief.
i will be mainly playing him as well. but do you think he will be high tier like gief? in ST gief was bottom but it seems like zangief (being a 720) got a good break in sf4. maybe t hawk will be under/above zangief just like it was in ST, but high tier cus its sf4 and sf4 was gracious to gief.
after the stream i was watching t.hawk and smiling at what i was seeing. he looks like a boss. he may be the first grapple i try out seriously but then again i like rushdown characters and adon/guy look right up my alley to back up bison…deejay as well lol