T.Hawk Laboratory

Doopliss · 2014-07-08T02:21:12.000Z

Btw Shouta, what happened to that unjumpable reset into U1 you mentioned before?

Shouta · 2014-07-08T03:35:15.000Z

The one off the AA? I haven’t tried it recently. I actually should practice it a bit tonight for that mix-up. It used HK Spire which isn’t changed at all.

I couldn’t replicate the unjumpable element to it when I last tried it before Ultra. I’ve been focusing so much on adjusting my play that I haven’t labbed up some of the old stuff.

exploid · 2014-07-24T09:39:53.000Z

cl.mp cl.mp xx lk spire cl.lp xx lp dp

works on decapre and poison.

it could work on others, depending on the animation of the opponent when you hit him with the first cl.mp, and if you link the second cl.mp on the first or second possible frame. Probably more factors.

Doopliss · 2014-07-24T16:11:33.000Z

Decapre too, eh? Gonna have to give that a shot later.

GroundedSF · 2014-08-17T15:04:54.000Z

Not sure if this is common knowledge or not, but I hadn’t seen it mentioned anywhere before:

Doopliss · 2014-08-18T00:48:10.000Z

It’s common knowledge. But it’s really nice when it works, it nails you 320-360 damage if you do a HP tomahawk vs armor.

GroundedSF · 2014-08-18T13:19:47.000Z

Doopliss:

It’s common knowledge. But it’s really nice when it works, it nails you 320-360 damage if you do a HP tomahawk vs armor.

Ah well. All I can say is I only discovered it recently, no one I’ve talked to had ever heard about it, and I’ve never seen it in a match before either! When you say ‘common knowledge’, do you mean only amongst T. Hawk lab monsters?

Anyone know any other moves that behave in the same manner? Seems like a flag has been left off in the hitbox script or something…

Doopliss · 2014-08-18T22:25:37.000Z

GroundedSF:

When you say ‘common knowledge’, do you mean only amongst T. Hawk lab monsters?

Anyone know any other moves that behave in the same manner? Seems like a flag has been left off in the hitbox script or something…

Pretty much

Seth’s DP acts the same way, but at least the hits have different damage values. Also Blanka’s Super and/or U1 have more separate hits than you can ever hit with.

GroundedSF · 2014-08-19T13:33:53.000Z

Of course, I forgot about Seth’s DP. You used to see that all the time for chip outs.

Dontdodat · 2014-08-22T02:19:04.000Z

I’ve known about double chip for a long time but haven’t done this vs armour before. Good noted Grounded.

SWK_Kaker · 2014-09-16T08:35:23.000Z

Alright guys, I have been working on a few things and want your advice. As for the cl.mp, cl.mp xx lk.spire, st.lp, cr.mk or lp.dp…has anyone else tested other cast members? I can get the jab to connect on Ryu but it is really hard and inconsistent. As for the combo that works on decapre and poison…has anyone found anyone else?

Secondly, can someone list the 4 known mp.spd safe jumps for me in one place? Thanks!!

Lastly, has anyone tested the meaty lk.spire, cl.mp xx lk.spire, lp.dp on anyone besides Ryu?

Thanks for your help guys.

efire_1 · 2014-09-16T09:01:25.000Z

I’ve only seen the first combo work on Poison/Hugo/other weird hitbox chars.

Got one mp.spd safejump at least: mp.spd, sl.p, jf.hk. The timing isn’t easy, but the hk hits jumpers, yet still lets hawk block reversals. I like to buffer another spd as the hk comes out, so I have yet another option covered.

DaftMarC · 2014-09-16T13:46:25.000Z

SWK_Kaker:

Secondly, can someone list the 4 known mp.spd safe jumps for me in one place? Thanks!!

MP SPD Safe Jumps:
#1
#2
#3
#4 Walk forward a few frames, whiff s.LK, JF.HK
#5 Wait a couple of frames ,whiff s.LP, JF.HK

kensanity · 2014-09-17T08:38:36.000Z

Shouta:

MP SPD is probably the best choice now yeah, unless you need the range on LP SPD or you want the damage from HP SPD. A lot of folks still haven’t transitioned over but when they do, it should be very, very good.

why this over LP SPD? Did they change the safe jumps?

I’m interested in playing this character and I’m wondering if the LP SPD safe jumps are still relevant, or if i should just revolve my game around MP SPD.

Also, i heard about some ultra 1 OS that catches back dashes but dont’ see how that could be possible. does this still work in ultra? I’m assuming its something like f+LPx2, into ultra motion or something.

SWK_Kaker · 2014-09-17T09:02:11.000Z

The LP SPD safe jumps still work if they don’t do delayed wakeup. If they do they can punish the safe jumps or they will whiff and you can get trip guarded. I have been experimenting with reacting to the “Technical” with a very late condor dive or just not pressing d.hp so I can get an empty jump mix up. Has anyone else been messing with this?

DaftMarC · 2014-09-17T21:36:19.000Z

kensanity:

why this over LP SPD? Did they change the safe jumps?
I’m interested in playing this character and I’m wondering if the LP SPD safe jumps are still relevant, or if i should just revolve my game around MP SPD.

DWU weakened Hawk’s mix up game and aside from a few OSes LP.SPD safe jumps offer, MP.SPD is better.

kensanity:

Also, i heard about some ultra 1 OS that catches back dashes but dont’ see how that could be possible. does this still work in ultra? I’m assuming its something like f+LPx2, into ultra motion or something.

Yup, you got the inputs right (F+LPx2 then 720).You are talking about the ST.LP Dash U1 OS ,your opponent can still jump,reversal,and backdash to escape this OS so if you want consistency chain OS ST.HK instead.

SWK_Kaker:

The LP SPD safe jumps still work if they don’t do delayed wakeup. If they do they can punish the safe jumps or they will whiff and you can get trip guarded. I have been experimenting with reacting to the “Technical” with a very late condor dive or just not pressing d.hp so I can get an empty jump mix up. Has anyone else been messing with this?

If you go for a safe jump and the opponent does DWU you will be safe since you can block before they can. When I see technical I either meaty jab chain Osing ST.HK or L.SPD safe on reversal while Osing grab.

kensanity · 2014-09-18T03:20:15.000Z

DaftMarC:

kensanity:

why this over LP SPD? Did they change the safe jumps?
I’m interested in playing this character and I’m wondering if the LP SPD safe jumps are still relevant, or if i should just revolve my game around MP SPD.

DWU weakened Hawk’s mix up game and aside from a few OSes LP.SPD safe jumps offer, MP.SPD is better.

kensanity:

Also, i heard about some ultra 1 OS that catches back dashes but dont’ see how that could be possible. does this still work in ultra? I’m assuming its something like f+LPx2, into ultra motion or something.

Yup, you got the inputs right (F+LPx2 then 720).You are talking about the ST.LP Dash U1 OS ,your opponent can still jump,reversal,and backdash to escape this OS so if you want consistency chain OS ST.HK instead.

SWK_Kaker:

The LP SPD safe jumps still work if they don’t do delayed wakeup. If they do they can punish the safe jumps or they will whiff and you can get trip guarded. I have been experimenting with reacting to the “Technical” with a very late condor dive or just not pressing d.hp so I can get an empty jump mix up. Has anyone else been messing with this?

If you go for a safe jump and the opponent does DWU you will be safe since you can block before they can. When I see technical I either meaty jab chain Osing ST.HK or L.SPD safe on reversal while Osing grab.

thanks for the info. can you elaborate on how to use the SPD so it can’t be whiff punished? I thought I read somewhere in this thread that you can option select it in a way that i guess its not punishable? or the grab frames dont show or something?

DaftMarC · 2014-09-19T23:41:50.000Z

kensanity:

thanks for the info. can you elaborate on how to use the SPD so it can’t be whiff punished? I thought I read somewhere in this thread that you can option select it in a way that i guess its not punishable? or the grab frames dont show or something?

If you input SPD a certain way you can make SPD safe if your opponent does a reversal. One way to do it is to do an quarter circle back, hold back a few frames then end it with up-back LP+LK(To cover your opponents grab option.The problem with this way is that if your opponent wakes up with a low you’re screwed. Another way to do it is to input a 360 ending it with down-back then inputting LP+LK. This is harder to time, but lows can’t punish you like in the other method. I use this after an EX.TB instead of going for the EX.CD follow up. After an EX.TB, if my opponent quick rises I dash forward and do meaty jabs chain Osing ST.HK (eliminating their jump and backdash option) or SPD safe on reversal while Osing grab to beat their reversal,block,and grab option.

kensanity · 2014-09-21T01:56:53.000Z

DaftMarC:

kensanity:

thanks for the info. can you elaborate on how to use the SPD so it can’t be whiff punished? I thought I read somewhere in this thread that you can option select it in a way that i guess its not punishable? or the grab frames dont show or something?

If you input SPD a certain way you can make SPD safe if your opponent does a reversal. One way to do it is to do an quarter circle back, hold back a few frames then end it with up-back LP+LK(To cover your opponents grab option.The problem with this way is that if your opponent wakes up with a low you’re screwed. Another way to do it is to input a 360 ending it with down-back then inputting LP+LK. This is harder to time, but lows can’t punish you like in the other method. I use this after an EX.TB instead of going for the EX.CD follow up. After an EX.TB, if my opponent quick rises I dash forward and do meaty jabs chain Osing ST.HK (eliminating their jump and backdash option) or SPD safe on reversal while Osing grab to beat their reversal,block,and grab option.

ok but the spd will still lose to jump or backdash? or does the animation not come out?

DaftMarC · 2014-09-21T02:25:46.000Z

kensanity:

ok but the spd will still lose to jump or backdash? or does the animation not come out?

Yeah, the spd will still lose to jump and backdash.