I can’t argue with you there, because i am aware of what you are saying. I think most people here have just watched the video instead but passed off reading the article to understand the actual background that you are talking about. Which is why their arguments are like “the guy deserved it”.
However, even so the guy had his principles of leaving that art there, it was still stupid. Muslims have been known to give such violent reactions. I’m not saying the presenter was wrong, i’m saying that he didn’t think carefully about that. It’s blameless because maybe he expected maturity from the crowd but it just shows the reality that you can’t pull any freedom of this and that on Muslims.I know violence has become a stereotype to muslims, and i don’t want to force that stereotype, because i do know Muslims who are docile… but in reality, you can not mess inside a territory populated by conservative muslims. You can’t invade them for secular political or religious reasons, because you’ll likely get killed for it.
The people who went there are basically saying “You want artistic freedom? Well we’ll throw this freedom in your face by going there and heckling you because we’re free to do that too.” That’s them showing the price of freedom. Then some random guy had to headbutt that fool.
It goes back to my “momma” post in this thread. The instigating agent in this case was the artist who basically said “yo momma x100” to those Muslims. I don’t know why you think those Muslims getting mad is their fault. The situation was basically like this:
Artist makes toons ahwhile back, Muslims mad, artist has power point presentation on artistic freedom, angry Muslims say “freedom this” and try to poison him with his own medicine, random guy gets mad and buffalos the artist.
State or no state, people or no people, you can do whatever you want, but objects in the physical world will react to whatever you are free to do.
That’s the reason why I don’t tell ladies that they have bad taste in food when I take them fools out to dates. BITCH WHY ARE YOU QQING CAUSE I TOOK YOU OUT TO MCDONALDS. But nah son, you gotta dress up nice, and take her out to mother fuckin’ red lobster or some shit. Laws or no laws, people or no people, state or no state, you are always free, and you will have to take responsibility for your actions in some form or another.
i find it hard to come to grips with the fact that any depiction would probably be met with the same level of bullshit. like instead of the guy’s head on a dog’s body, what if the guy was saving the universe from super tech’ed out aliens? totally rad and shit but people would still be upset and get butt hurt. that is lame.
what a bunch of fucking reteards on this site, especially those inbred US members.
its not about religion, its about a group of people. if you would look statistically instead of retardedly (impossible for US members) you would see that the people who tend to be agressive and violent are christians and jews. among the over a billion muslims only a very small percentage is in war or have agressive beliefs.
now to the other group of retards, the US, a christian country that has invaded, robbed and killed millions of people for resources (oil/opium). funny thing is you killed tese people after ww2, not many countries can compare to that many people killed, you would need a big fucking group of retards to achieve this (US). now look at the jews, smallest group of people with a lot of people in war that have invaded parts of the country that they had no right to do so.
its easy to see who the agressors are, compared to abu grahib that headbutt is just a playful kiss. ,
These people are such animals. I usually respect peoples religious choices, but at the same time it really bothers me seeing women with veils and clothing covering their bodies. Its so fucking ass-backwards.
imagine walking in a room with blacks yelling nigga nigga nigga . if theres no cams and you aint from seinfeld, prepare to get fucked. talk bad shit about america in a republican or patriotic party, see what happens. offend jews or their beliefs when you are among them. statistically it will be the muslims that dont act agressivly or the least agressive. either way i find it real hard to explain with all these examples, mainly cause people who aint inbred rednecks would understand such simple things without needing soo many examples.
you know back in the 80’s and 90’s people understood the meaning and vallue of freedom of speech. nowadays its just a bunch of inbreds and rednecks just saying shit to offend people. in fact i did my nicest so i wouldnt offend 2 many people. icould have typed something way harder and say freedom of speech. but unlike most of you retards i know the meaning of the phrase, its a gift that should be treated as one, the biggest fundemental of freedom of speech is being considerate
And don’t even pretend this is some random isolated incident when you know and I know that it’s just this week’s incident of Muslims being violent over nothing.
not socially accepted to be violent? with all the rape, murder yougot in the US it doesnt addup. these retards cant even see the truth in their own country but are still giving their opinions on countries they dont know jack shit about. the level of respect for most of you people is below that of a dogs. in fact dogs have better manners than you guys, at times they even look more intelligent than most you fucking retards.
and being violent over nothing is something a generation of inbreds like spudlys fam would know all too well about. ofcourse spudly doenst know, he doesnt know a whole lot. generations of inbreeding isprobably to blame for this fact. or he could just be retarded, either way one of the dumbest fucks ive seen on srk, and this being srk that says a lot.
Acting with violence in these cases has its own consequences. Responsibility doesn’t stop with the idiot who starts the conflict. Stuff like this is unfortunately used to make an entire religion/group look bad, even when they aren’t the best representatives of said religion/group.
its done so intentionally to cater to the stuck up group of retards known as sheep. looking at the responses we got most of them in this thread, theres more where they came from though.
fuck, it is??? did his other account get banned or something? good lookin out tho, get to save myself some pain by muting dude now and not having to see his stupid shit in other threads.
"Gårdagen var ett nederlag för alla. De som bråkade i Uppsala gör sig själva en otjänst, för det här drabbar alla muslimer. De allra flesta muslimer är ju inte fundamentalister och struntar i de här konstverken. "
Translated:
Yesterday was a setback for everyone. Those who caused trouble in Uppsala only do themselves a disfavour, Since this will affect all muslims, Most muslims are afterall not fundamentalist and don’t care about these artworks.
According to the article another work that was shown during the lecture included:
Dorota Nieznalskas artwork of a Penis plastered over a cross.
The movie they reacted to was called Allah ho Gaybar and is made by Iranian: Sooreh Hera highlighting the religion and homosexuality it also includes the Pope and George W Bush.
most of the women who cover up do so out of choice, and once you become used to it you feel naked without it. apparently. i know girls who dont wear the whole get up on a day to day basis, but they often do so out of convenience when they can’t be bothered to do their hair and makeup.
Also, im’ not an animal, i take offense to that, i’m very civilised. i dont feel the urge to hurt the cartoonist, however i do wonder why anyone would choose to express their freedom of speech to hurt people they dont even know. In that respect i ask myself, why should the man who headbutted him respect his right to free speech when the cartoonist plainly doesn’t respect the headbutter as a person based soley on the fact he is a muslim.
Thats not to say i think winding up a muslim deserves headbutting, i think its excessive, i think a backhand would suffice if you were really grossly offended by someone lack of respect towards you. i’m not a violent person i guess, but i do recognise that sometimes words are not enough.
People aren’t calling all muslims animals, just fundamentalist islamic people who feel that violence is an acceptable answer to a problem.
probably because he was willing to headbutt another dude just because he drew a picture of mohammed. Freedom of speech does NOT equate to freedom to commit acts of violence on others because you don’t share the same views. If you want people to not draw mohammed, you’re shit out of luck. If you don’t want to see images of mohammed, go live in another country, or a deserted island, and cut off ALL contact with the outside world.
Other than that, understand the rest of us civilized people aren’t pagan fucks using violent acts to get our message across.
If a muslim ever got violent with me for discussing my views of islam or mohammed, or for drawing a picture of mohammed, I would crush his pathetically small balls in my hand, before I beat him within an inch of his life. Period.
If he wanted to argue it with me like a civilized human being, I would welcome the discussion with open arms.
I hate people taking the Lord’s name in vain. I don’t really believe in any religions, but I show a certain level of respect for them. If somebody says God Da**it, I will tell them I don’t like them saying that, and discuss my views on why it’s inherently retarded, but I sure as fuck won’t physically assault them.
There’s a right to free speech, not a right to be offended.
Saying he should be cognizant of the threat of violence is one thing, but to say he deserved it or that he is somehow the one primarily at fault is a disgraceful thing to say. Religion should not be above criticism nor satire.
Also, you shouldn’t conflate race with religion. They’re not the same thing, at all. I mean, what’s next? No satire/criticism of political ideologies just because they can be passionately and deeply held?