One post, two abortion jokes. LOL must have been running low on material.
So being gay isn’t about sex? Ok then genius, if it isn’t about sex then it’s about friendship. You’ve got to be some kind of Moron to not realize that attraction goes hand in hand with a want to engage in sexual relations with someone if given the chance. I mean I’m totally with this friendly gay thing you talk about… Being gay without sex… But gay people might have a problem with it.
What you claim to be talking about however, is friendship. Aka liking someone without ever having sex with them or wanting to. Once you want to have sex with someone then the relationship becomes one with sexual overtones. So equating attraction to someone because of their gender is commiserate to being SEXUALLY attracted to that person.
And as far as the abortion jokes go:
My mom may not have known about the coat hanger. But at least she didn’t do a half assed job like yours. Had yours finished what she started and not gotten only half your brain, you might make some sense.
I say blame your daddy for knocking up bitches at the local whorehouse… But hey at least he was a gentlemen and gave her a hanger for her troubles
This is amazing. To completely disregard his own claim that telling kids that being gay is OK is wrong, and to make it all about sex and friendship, when neither are involved with how his previous claim can negatively affect kids with gay attractions, it’s like I’m talking to a living incarnation of Fox News. It’s almost an honor to be in conversation with someone this stupid. All the years I’ve spent in a depression, you’ve actually managed to make me feel that much better about myself by showing me that I could have ended up like you. I feel like the luckiest person on the face of the Earth to be nothing like this idiot. Truly, I am blessed.
Quick response first (might give a more considered response on the issue of politicised science late)-
Do you agree that a child who is born for no other reason other than “some people wanted a child and went through the very deliberate process of manufacturing one in the lab” should have certain rights? If so, shouldn’t the rights involve having an ideal upbringing?
Since when do people have a “right” to children? What ethical, moral or legal principles do you draw this “right” upon? How does “depriving” them of this “right” damage them exactly (besides shattering the illusion that gay and straight couples are exactly the same)?
See you could be friends with someone and not have it be a sexual relation.
Or are you really this deranged that all friends you make or even acts of friendship should end with sex?
Plus you completely skipped over the other points and focused on the easiest one to pick at.
For someone claiming to be superior you sure like to pick and choose your battles.
I mean this really is amazing. It’s as if these morons actually think that when I said “special feelings” I was referring only to “friendship” and not the “attraction” that I kept referencing. They are really stupid enough to not get this. Even after I’ve pointed out that telling a child with gay attractions that it’s not ok is harmful to that child, these dumbasses actually think that I’m simply talking about a friendship instead of nothing more. They even reiterate that a friendship does not equate to an attraction, yet completely disregard the entire “attraction” portion with regard to children and go on a tangent that I haven’t had to deal with since high school geometry class.
For the last several years of my life I’ve lived in a deep depression, but now I think the bullshit from these dumbasses has snapped me out of it. I literally have no reason to hate myself ever again. There’s no way I can. No matter what dark days I have I can say that at least I’m not any of these morons, and I can look at the sun easily and forget my problems. I can smile again.
Implying that in that situation both kids are gay.
Not questioning if the other isnt gay or doesnt want a sexual relationship yet.
You also havent give me any reason to believe that homosexuality isnt a mental illness.
With your standards might as well build the world to how a schizophrenic sees it.
The problem with that is that most gay people dont even get married or the ones that do, dont have it last longer then 2-4 years.
Not to mention the gay population is a small minority. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02
So the minority of the minority really only care about marriage.
The rest just want to party and indulge in their immoral behavior.
are you deliberately being dense or something. children in conventional families know that mom and dad are together/married many years before they know what sex is, let alone be able to conceive the idea that their parents are banging each other. yet those children are still able to differentiate between the relationship their parents’ have and a platonic friendship. that teacher was attempting to teach children to be tolerant of same sex couples, not learn what gay (or straight) adults actually do in bedrooms. dunno why you went on some nonsensical rant on teaching kids about sex.
i agree with the person who said that the evidence for both sides is questionable at best, but lets be real here. there doesnt need to be a reason for something to be legal. there does need to be a very good reason for something to be illegal. the evidence had better be a lot more convincing than it presently is if people want to make the raising of children by gay couples flatout against the law.
No there has to be a reason for something being legal. I mean if in 10 years there is tons of hard indisputable proof that children raised by same sex parents are seriously fucked up and have all sorts of developmental problems well it is too late. Those innocents have had their lives destroyed.
Everyone is so concerned with rights, without a care of the damage it causes. Everything we know about child rearing, gender roles, the impact of parents on children indicate that there would be a negative impact from a child raised by same sex parents. I’m not talking about vs being raised by a heterosexual couple that happen to be serial killers. I’m talking about 2 couples…one homosexual, one heterosexual…dropping all other factors, which one is healthier?
What if they find a way for 2 guys and/or 2 girls to biologically produce a baby. However the baby has an 80% chance of being mentally retarded? Well I’ll tell you what would happen. Gays would push that it is there right, to let this procedure/therapy whatever be allowed. Even though the majority of the children would be intellectual cripples.
The choice isn’t about 1 heterosexual family vs. 1 homosexual family. It’s about 1 homosexual family vs. NO FAMILY AT ALL. Would you rather a children grow up with no parents (and therefore very little financial support and resources), or a child to grow up with 2 fathers/mothers? These parents may not be traditional, but they can still nurture the child, help them go to college, etc. I know the adoption service and background checks aren’t flawless, but they’re supposed to screen prospects to make sure it’s a safe and healthy living environment for the foster kids, not to pedophiles and broken relationships.
@AcidicEnema - In most parts of the world, people do have a right to have children. Where you live (I’m assuming US, but could be somewhere else), does your country regulate the amount of children families can have? If parents are poor, can they still have children? How about single mothers who have children out of wedlock? Obviously these are not “ideal upbringings” but they are allowed.
So are you suggesting a homosexual couple as a last resort, such as if a child doesn’t get adopted for a very extended period of time? I could be down with that, since no parents or never getting adopted is proven as devastating for children.
The only problem I’m seeing with same sex couple having kids is the lack of having a mother and father figure. Kids look for those things, and if they cannot find them, they latch to the first thing that resembles something masculine/feminine. It’s already bad enough in heterosexual cases, the issue will be compounded in homo cases.
After all, this is a known issue with single parent homes in which the father has been absent for the overwhelming majority of that child’s life.
Same sex couples would have to work extra so that somebody outside the immediate family is there to serve as a role model that’s beneficial to them.
This is especially important and more pressing for female female couples whee the kid could easily latch to an inferior detrimential father figure. Ie, a rapper, pop star, rock idol, some older shit head from the neighborhood, etc.
If a lot of children from single mother households are failing as people with the ability to develop, I don’t think allowing female same sex couples have kids free range will help.
And this isn’t some veiled misogyny, that some of you might be thinking I’m pushing while you roll your eyes. These are the statistics, therefore the facts.
Keep in mind that this poor role model issue extends to “normal” households as well, but again, if manx statistics are right, then it’s completely fair to say lesbian couples will fare as bad if not worse than single mother households, and they need to be kept checked on far more often than hetero or male male homosexual couples.
I’m glad that lots of people are happy over this, but as someone who doesn’t really believe in marriage this really doesn’t mean that much to me personally.
I wish they’d do something about all the needless legal advantages married people have over single people.
They’ll need to be some pretty buff incentives. Cost of living is rising without the salaries to match it, making childbirth a very expensive investment. Eventually, if the current economic climate continues, whatever sitting U.S. President will create an executive action giving more incentives for births and probably create more government jobs to get those already alive working at more stable positions.
Just for a window into how difficult it could be, the cost of raising a child in New York is an estimated $500,000. That cost, to me, is fucking brutal. There’s no way I could afford this and be able to pay rent. In non-metropolitan U.S. cities, the cost is around $245,000 per child, not adjusted for inflation. Adjusted for inflation it’s really about $310K.
So, yeah. Unless there’s some real relief in raising a family I don’t see why anyone would do it. At least not for more than one child.
