Two videos of shootingD(ryu) vs. otochun. Look for the xgati05_xx.zip links. Upcoming “gatchi” battles are otochun vs. tsuji(blarg) and shootingD vs. tsuji, btw. Thems the three top players right now, I guess.
http://streetfighter.jugem.jp/?eid=67
(oh, again, use an alternative decompression program like winrar or stuffit if regular zip isn’t working)
Here is where I stand on ST at evo.
I highly doubt that will take over ST for evo. Mainly beacuse I dont want to any more. I want to run side tournies. So if the EVO staff decides not to have ST this year so be it. But I will be running a 3v3 ST tourny. On the side. The main reason I dont want to take up EVO ST is beacuse I dont want all 3 of the cabinets im taking this year to be used only for ST. I want to run a 3s 3v3, A3, HF and maybe XvSF if DogFace will run it.
If any one wants to do a signles ST tourny bring an arcade cabinet and run it. Other wise its 3v3.
As far as 3v3 not being competitive enough. Bah I find them more fun. Just take the effort and put together a team before the tourny.
((HUGS)) to apoc!
SBO is not a serious tournament?
Correct.
Neither is X-Mania.
Oh I hadn’t watched those two vids when I posted the above. Shit is pretty hot. ShootingD gets in the zone with the half-step back -> fierce red fireball routine in xxgati5_19.wmv.
Will you come to Evo and be on my team?
SBO is a show.
IMO the expression “not serious”, when it comes to video games, refers to people playing without giving all they got and/or not using the most effective strategies. As everybody knows, this is far from being the case at the SBO so I really can’t see why someone would qualifiy this tournament as “not serious”.
serious means you need a series of rounds to prove you are better than someone. I disagree with this but that is how americans think.
Again, my problem with team tournaments is that one of the primary skills is having the right friends or knowing the right people. SF is fundamentally an individual sport. If you look at other sports that are individual turned into team, like relay races and such, what you see is that nobody really cares about them. They are just filler. People are interested in the fastest man in the world, not the fasted 4x100 relay team in the world.
Team tournaments are a lot of fun but to have the only tournament in a game be a team tournament is not a great test of skill. And team tournaments involve even less actual teamwork than relay races.
In then end people care about the best players, not the best team. When was the last time someone created a thread about how team X in game Y is the best? Yeah…never.
I don’t want to derail this thread into a big dicussion on team tournaments, and I will say that a team tournament is better than no tournament. I’ll just leave it at that.
Any tips for S. Zangief against ST Dhalsim? As far as I can see it’s a case of getting close to Dhalsim and trying the 360 or any other combo eg MK+Lariat. How can you do this with S.Zangief? With ST Zangief you can use the green hand to get closer, but not with S Zangief.
Any vids out there of Zangief vs Dhalsim where Zangief actually wins? I tried looking for Kuni vids, but I didnt see any where he plays against Dhalsim.
The whole ‘serious’ debate here was in reference to the team aspect of SBO. Playing in a team makes it ‘non-serious’ in the sense that the tournament winners aren’t necessarily the best players (which is IMO the purpose of a tourney). In a 3 man team ABC, players A and B can lose every single game they play and still win the tournament. Remember those other 2 guys on Izu’s team that won SBO? Me neither. But they still won it.
I’m not doubting the ‘seriousness’ of the comp. Futhermore, for anyone who lives outside of japan, this is the best comp you can get. I just feel that the winner of the tourney should be the best player straight up, no technicalities.
Again, I don’t think this was what was being debated. I will say though that while I do like the ‘one game’ aspect of SBO in that you need to be playing your best all the time o/w ur eliminated, it is a fact that the more games played between 2 players, the better player will win through. Single games have a higher probability of luck/fluke determining the outcome. If I played a single game against Daigo there’s prolly an 80% chance he’d beat me but if we played best of 101 games, there’d be a 99% probability he’d beat me. That’s just basic maths and not ‘how americans think’.
IMO, the ideal tournament setting is the same/similar to EVO but without the option of changing characters. So one character per tourney, multi game finals. That’d be the best way of determining the best player ie a ‘serious’ tourney.
If u want a tourney for entertainment only then yeah, team tourney is great. However, while I do respect the whole one game thing, one game finals are hella anti-climatic.
I didn’t disagree with the math. I just don’t agree it can’t be serious if it’s only one game. Games like 3s, st are already best 2 out of 3. There’s no reason to extend it.
In 3s you keep meter and super arts between rounds, the match is not reset other than having full life again. Ironically it would work better in ST than 3s.
When the scene is overflowing with tournaments then it’s probably worthwhile to debate which format is better. Currently it’s just best to get people the most for their money, since noone knows when they’ll get a chance to play again.
So anyway, where are the NEC vids, lets go!
why is this difficult ?
Commenting specifically on the process of a competition and not about SF directly and also about how shows/events are organised…but…
Why is it so difficult to arrange a singles tourney at the same time as a team one ? SF matches are fairly bloody quick…that I can comment on with utter conviction.
If its simply an issue of the event organisers refusing then my question is answered of course…what I wonder is why is their even being a debate if its optional ? why a team tourney ? then why not a singles one.
Oh and while Im here…I see the general commentry on 'Sim says that matches against T-hawk are in 'sims favour…but Im finding his ability to command throw hard to avoid…the air charges are fine i can just block and st.rh but he comes onto me and 360’s all the time. I have a hard time zoning him…any comments ?
I don’t know the match myself, but you need to know exactly what beats each and every one of Sim’s normals (standing and crouching) so that you can counter his limbs from half screen (which is where you’ll be most likely).
I can’t remember which tourney it was (maybe X-MANIA IV?), but some Jap O.Gief went on a terror streak and owned up hella fools (including at least one Sim). Once I get home I’ll see if I can find them, 'cause that’s probably the best example of how to beat Sim with Gief. It’s a pretty hard match.
If Hawk gets in, Sim is in trouble, but the problem is Sim has all the tools to keep Hawk out for the entire match. The only thing that I know of that Hawk can use is his j.Fierce (which beats a lot of Sims limbs and anti-air moves), and psychic DP, but those tools alone are not nearly enough to win the match.
NKI: That Gief match is in SSF2:X Taikou. He pwns A LOT of ppl…
Did you watch those Evo 3 on 3 videos? (are those still available somewhere?) Cole vs. GQSodom should provide some material that you can x-copy. Hawk needs to jump over your standing/crouching strongs, fireballs etc, and you need to discourage him from doing that. You got standing forward, standing rh, and jump-back fierce as air defense depending on the range, eh? Instead of hitting chikyuu out of the air sometimes Cole would just standing strong as he landed to push him away. (could GQ have psychic DPed that shit? fuck do I know)
Japanese players do a lot of short vertical yoga flames to build meter. (like in that Xmania V video NKI ripped) I’m thinking in a pinch the super is a nice option to have in addition to the teleport? Heh maybe practice up on your wake-up super reversals?
EDIT: I’m about to double post but:
Vol1#4 and Vol4#6 in the first link below feature T.Hawk vs. Dhalsim. More material to x-copy. |’,’|
A bucket of SSF2T movies:
http://page.freett.com/msc_movie_001/
Samples from some DVD. Holy crap that vol1 #4 match I mentioned at the bottom of the post before this one is fucking intense.
http://page.freett.com/mof_movie_001/
Yay!
Here’s the original page with the frames. Go click on the guy’s ads or something.
i was playing anniversary yesterday, and i noticed that almost everytime i tried to do a crossup, i was thrown. you could see the animation for the move (ex cammy j.lk) come out, then i got thrown. is this shit random?