Streetfighter issue #13 discussion and spoiler thread

i don’t know …

… i kinda don’t like the whole “faster than a speeding bullet” theroy. The thing that i like about Street Fighter is that they’re all humans who are trained in the arts … they’re not superman. Almost kinda like “if i try really hard i could do a sonic boom too” kinda feel. In all honesty … if the thug pulls the trigger … ryu should die.

Gouki can blow up mountains, destroy islands, send people to hell for one second, and Ryu can carry a rock that weighs tons and his Shin Shoryuken has been stated to be able to kill a man. The Hadouken alone should tell you they are super human.

Capcom confirmed that all the stuff Ryu can do in the SFZ Anime is stuff he can actually do, which includes dodging bullets. All of the Animes actually show you this.

And people have dodged/evaded bullets in real life. Some of it has to do with judging the direction the bullet has coming. Not at the level of Superman but it has happened.

i thought you…

… were talking like a superman/spiderman kinda reflex. Okay …judging the dodge is okay … but i don’t wanna see any super human speed going on here. just judgement. I try to ignore the SF cartoons/anime that aren’t SF2:TAM … that’s the only one that seemed any good to me.

I don’t doubt that Ryu can actually dodge bullets, but for overall storyline enjoyment, how cheap is that? Either:

  1. Sakura saves Ryu’s life with a Hadouken. This would also write Sakura out of the story as she used Ryu saving her life as an excuse to follow him around… Although I would like to see her for a few more issues after this. At least have her meet Karin in a main story page… And more Grumpy, Surly Kei!

  2. Ryu does get shot, albeit not fatally, but this would write him out of the book for a while and as Ryu = Street Fighter, this wouldn’t work. It’s like writing Optimus Prime out of Transformers and we all know what happens to a TF line when you write out Prime…

  3. Vega interferes, possibly slaughtering the gunman for trying to kill the very man Bison seeks. Of course, Vega was about to fight Guile…

Also, Ryu did get shot in SF2V, but after receiving a mild gunshot wound and having a madman grind the tip of a cane into it, he was all better the next episode…

(BTW, the real person who could actually do this is alleged to be Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido, who saw glowing balls of energy and dodged two bullets before taking the guy out.)

Well …

I really liked your idea of the sakura repaying the debt thing but i think she still wants to learn from him.

You could have ryu get shot … i mean ken got slashed up. they could share a hospital room together.:slight_smile: Vega turning his back on Guile would be a REALLY BAD MOVE. He’s still got alot of vengence in him.

A very good issue and i can’t wait for the next.

Something i would like to point out is when Guile and Family are at the Italian place and his daughter is waving at that guy on the boat. Is he delibritly meant to look like Cracker Jack from the EX Series?

and i loved the back up story. I liked how they used Wrestling terms such as Heel and Babyface, Though in Reality Zangief would have thrashed Mikas ass.

he was just …

… a gondola driver. They tend to look like that some times. Cracker Jack had a slightly different look to him than that but i guess if they wanted to be funny they could have put him in there.

Spider should not be compare to superman when it comes to speed

Spider-man top speed is 140 miles per hour while Superman’s top speed is near the speed of light.

Bullet speed depends on how fast the bullet projects from the gun.

The speed of a bullet

180 -1500 m/s / 402 miles per hour to 3,355 miles per hour

The speed of sound

761 miles per hour

the speed of the sonic boom projectal

1,522 miles per hour

Gun speeds

.22 rimfire cartridge

820 miles per hour to 1,022 miles per hour

.22 centerfire cartridge

1,635 miles per hour to 2,044 miles per hour

.22 Swift

2,726 miles per hour

.38 Special

407 miles per hour

Shotguns

749 miles per hour to 955 miles per hour

.221 Fireball

1,805 miles per hour to

Looks to me like the bullet just grazed him.

I wasn’t …

I wasn’t really comparing Spidey to Supes … i’m just saying that they are both in a weight class that should be far beyond that of Ryu and i don’t want him to magically get the ablility to move like Neo did in Matrix … get me?

I wouldn’t be too worried.

If he could just dodge it, theres no drama in pointing a gun at him, therefore they wouldn’t have left that as a cliffhanger because it wouldn’t be dramatic.

First off,Sakura NEEDS to stay around atleast until end of third arc. I mean,at first Ryu was going to make a decision on Sakura according to Udon’s describition of the issue,but Udoneko said himself they have slowed the storyarc down and the third arc will be more of a transition period from alpha to 2. Rose,Mika,Karin,Juni,Juli,Dan,Gen and even Sakura to a degree still have unresolved storylines. And I mean VERY much unresolved.

Here is what we need to see next arc-
GEN AND AKUMA DEATHMATCH
KARIN AND SAKURA REMATCH(IN MAIN STORY)
DAN TRYING TO AVENGE HIS FATHER IN A MATCH WITH SAGAT
THE WHOLE ROSE/BISON THING(MAY TAKE 3 OR 4 ISSUES)
THE DOLLS COMING BACK INTO REALITY AND FIGHTING BISON AND/OR VEGA AND CAMMY
SAKURA,RYU,KEN,GUILE,CHUN LI IN SOME SORT OF BATTLE/FIGHT WITH SHADOWLOO WITH BISON THERE

And not to mention that the Rose/Bison thing will be going more into detail in the next arc,so if Rose hasnt even been killed by Bison yet,what makes people think Sakura,Karin and R. Mika are by any means through with?They also mentioned doing a backup with the fight with Sagat and Go Hibiki,so the third arc should focus on going through transitions between alpha and 2 and should at the very least be 8 issues long like the second arc. If Udon jumps into the third arc with the idea of street fighter 2 characters only then would be seriously fucked up, but I dont see how they could with so many unresolved issues at hand.

weight class isn’t about speed , it’s about strength if there was a class about speed it would be call speed class.

Ryu’s on spider-man’s level when it comes to strength and Probably toughness too

only speed feat I seen in the comic was bison dodging sonic booms.

Guile and Charlie actually use their ki to move thier limbs at super sonic speeds

The Sonic Boom is actually created by using ki. Nash will concentrate his ki into his hand, arm of whatever and thrusts it at a speed faster than sound. When someone is hit by the Sonic Boom, it’ll feel like getting smashed into a brick wall. It’s also colder than Russia’s winter

so sonic boom is colder than -50C to -68C

sano you also forgot the part about Gouki withstand the extreme pressures of the deep ocean. ( and no this wasn’t in a anime he did this in the cannon storyline)

Street Fighter Alpha 2: Gouken’s student, Ryu, has tracked Akuma down, and challenges Akuma as a fighter. Akuma, always looking for worthy foes, tests Ryu’s mettle at his island, Gokuento. Akuma is very impressed by Ryu’s skill, and tells Ryu about the Satsu no Hadou power within Ryu. He wants that power to awaken within Ryu, and tells Ryu that once it does, Ryu should seek Akuma out again so they could have a real match [Official]. Akuma then forcefully slams his fist into the ground, and the island of Gokuentou sinks into the sea, with Ryu escaping just in time [Conjecture from Ryu’s SFA2 ending].

Street Fighter 3 Double Impact: Akuma develops “the ultimate technique”, Kongou-kokuretsuzan. It is so powerful that it splits an entire mountain, Ayers Rock, in half! [Akuma’s SF3DI ending]. Considering that he’s a secret character, I’m pretty sure he didn’t register and sign up for the tournament, just like how he didn’t sign up for the SF2 tournament.

Akuma is still training. He has developed himself so much that he is now powerful enough to do inhuman acts, such as stay deep under the ocean. While training there, he uses the Tenshoukairekijin to destroy a sunken ship. Observed by a submarine, the crew members are shocked. The move is so powerful that it causes the sunken ship to be blasted to the surface, causing chaos even for another ship on the water [Akuma’s SF3TS ending].

Tiger shot - The damage feels like getting mauled by a ferocious tiger. The temperature is freezing cold

Tiger’s bite force is 1,000 psi now

Tiger cannon hits you for 6 hits so it feels like getting mauled by 6 ferocious tigers

1000 x 6 = 6,000

Zangief was inspired to learn the spinning piledriver one day when he got caught in a cyclone while piledriving a bear.

Zangief wrestles Polar Bears

1,750lbs pound bear can hit for 5,250 pounds of force ( PSI)

Balrog killed one of Dhalsim’s elephants for the hell of it, most likely using the Gigaton punch. Balrog… is a very powerful guy. ( this happen in the cannon storyline)

Cody can break through a 50 cm thick cement wall.

50 cm thick Cement wall / 1’7" thick Cement wall is extremely hard.

Cement: Binding material that, when combined with water and aggregate, forms concrete.

More cannon info

the side effects of the Murderous Hadou include increased physical strength and being able to perform moves/techniques that surpass the user’s intelligence

Once Gou left Sagat with only one eye at the fighting tournament, he suffered massive internal injuries (internals rupturing, torn up good for taking away Sagat’s eye) which ultimately led to his later death.

Cammy
…it was a stormy day, and at the fortress of the B.I.S. around a portion the special operatives housings, a power outage occurred due to a landslide.
A soldier working in the area made his to way to the landslide’s location, where he came across Cammy.
Cammy was badly injured when the B.I.S. discovered her. It was expected that it would take 2 months for her to fully recover from the injuries.
Cammy was placed under Colonel Wolfman’s supervision/care. As he was looking through Cammy’s belongings, he noticed a pendant that read, “CAMM740106”. With that in mind, Wolfman named the girl “Cammy”. (I’m assuming that this was the story before the Alpha series was created)
Despite being seriously injured, Cammy fully recovered in a week, much to her doctor’s surprise.
One day, Commander W. Watson visited the Delta Red HQ in order to observe/study Cammy’s progress. With great speed, Cammy unexpectedly attacked the Commander. Fortunately Colonel Wolfman came to the Commander’s rescue and narrowly intercepted Cammy’s assault, nearly at the risk of his own life.
After observing Cammy’s extraordinary physical capabilities, army executives showed interest in using her as their personal human weapon. Watson, troubled by the possible consequences/ramifications of that decision, decided to place Cammy’s safety in Colonel Wolfman’s hands.
Cammy’s first mission/assignment as a Delta Red member was to arrest the leader of Shadaloo. Delta Red was told that Shadaloo was a small, weak and undeveloped crime organization. In actuality, England’s information Bureau very little information on Shadaloo’s condition/status.
Her (Cammy’s) spirit unstable due to her one-time Shadoloo brainwashing sessions, Delta Red’s missions provided a comeback for herself.
Cammy began remembering that M. Bison was somehow connected to her past while participating in the SF2 tournament.

The paragraph below decribes what took place in between the explosion of the Shadaloo base in SFA3 and Cammy arriving on the doorsteps of the England Information Bureau. This is either or official or just the webmaster’s way of explaining how Cammy ended up on the doorsteps of the England Information Bureau:
Apparently, Vega (spaniard) briefly safeguarded Cammy immediately after the Shadaloo base exploded during SFA3. Afterwards, a mentally unstable Cammy aimlessly wandered all over the world, with little memory of the events that previously took place. She was taken into Interpol custody for a brief period to escape Shadaloo, who had been pursuing her for some time. Unfortunately, Cammy was eventually recaptured, brainwashed, and began working for Shadaloo again.
As it turns out, the landslide disaster was part of Shadaloo’s plan to plant Cammy into the British Empire. Obviously, Cammy losing her memory and forgetting her mission/objective wasn’t part of M. Bison’s plan.

The bandages Cody wraps around his hands are to cover the scars he gain from rampaging through the solid brick walls of his cell so he could head back to Metro City and cause trouble.

Urien’s abilities are

earth manipulation

lightning manipulation

wind manipulation

iron body

Gill’s abilities are

Creation of ice

Un-creation of ice

Creation of Fire

Un-creation of fire

resurrection

http://www.orochi.com/?page=sffaq

Dee Jay is rated in dB (Decibals) by Juni. At 172, he’s louder than a train :stuck_out_tongue:

Spider dodges bullets by using his spider sense without that he wouldn’t even be able to dodge bullets.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=37297&page=2&pp=15&highlight=spiderman

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=21965&highlight=Kenshin+Spider-Man

opps a made a mistake about spider’s speed

Spiderman speed is less than 120 miles per hour

http://www.prosoundweb.com/live/labbest/db/hdb3.php

Deejay’s sound intensity is 158489 W/m Sqaure

http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/hearingloss.cfm

140db can cause normal people to have heart arhythmia while
172db can outright kill someone.

I got a pretty good idea what happens next: Sakura FINALLY throws a hadoken, knocking the hell out of the would-be shooter. Ryu then steps up her training, leading to her leaning the OTHER techniques she has in the games.

Now THAT sounds more feasible.

Wouldn’t this be more of a Rival Schools matchup?

Ryu can probably dodge bullets if it’s the right distance. if Gunman has the gun point blank at ryu’s head then no he can’t dodge it.

Loved the issue.
I liked how Guile is going to have to fight Vega, should be interesting, especially if his wife turns around and sees what exactly her husband does. (saving Ken, Eliza)

I think the colorists are overusing the blur technique. At times it was a little hard to tell whos was being hit with what. Arn went through all the effort to add the speedlines, I think they should make the most of them.

As far as the cliffhanger is concerned:
I’d like to see Sakura do something like that. It was my first instinct upon seeing the issue’s end. But everyone’s forgetting about Balrog, who spent the entire fight just trying to get to Ryu. He’s still on his way to Ryu when the guy pulls the gun.

So it’ll most likely be Sakura using the Hadoken with Balrog clocking her afterwards so he and Ryu can fight, or Balrog clocks the guy and takes on Ryu, while Sakura gets interrupted by another thug.

http://www.capcomcomics.com/StreetFighter/Interactive/#

Click on Episode 02 and you can see how fast ryu moves.

still it’s not fast enough to dodge bullets at point blank range

Buffy vs. SF

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=1851&highlight=Ivan+drago

Ivan Drago vs. SF

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=15278&highlight=Ivan+drago

Ryu vs. Liu Kang!

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=43326&highlight=street+fighter

Street Fighter and Stallone-YO

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=38408&highlight=street+fighter

turk ventures to the street fighter world

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=29529&highlight=street+fighter

Spider-Man vs Akuma and M. Bison

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=21222&highlight=street+fighter

I herd the reason why Zangief wrestles bears for sport is because he often breaks dumbells in half

I just wanted to say that issue 13 was great. Great cover, better artwork than the previous issue or few and a cliffhanger at the end, lol…
my only problem was with the back-up story, i felt the artwork was lacking…
But story was jokes though.

Anyways, hope to see more issues as good as that. (but with better back-up story arkwork of course :p)
Keep it up!