Yeah, you’re right, it was Goutetsu’s beads, I just checked it in the Plot Canon Guide. I must of been thinking of UDON’s SF comic, where Akuma took the beads from Gouken’s corpse.
I’ll just change the reason to that Ryu wears them as a tribute to his old master Gouken, or maybe they could infact be Gouken’s beads, like he would wear Oro’s robe as a tribute to him and Gouken’s beads as a tribute to Gouken.
Yeah, in the second of her two (known) designs, she has the beads on.
She also had a thrid design for when she was a little girl, which if I remember correctly looked alot like Anita from Darkstalkers (cept with smaller eyes)
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Here’s a more straight foward shot of my version of Ryu (from my SF Neo story/concept)
The face dosn’t look the way I wanted it, but the rest is right. I gave him a beard alot like Zangief’s to try and make him look older and more hermit like.
Note this is my Ryu in the year 2010, my SF4 version would be slightly diffrient, probaly more like efex’s version, but without the beads, or stuff on his sleeves.
A third design? And she’s younger than Ryu and Ken? Where did you get this info from, TAS? And how do you know that Edayan used Ojou-san to come up with Sakura? I haven’t been able to find that yet.
I thought the plot guide stated that she was younger then Ryu and Ken, or maybe it was that she was older (I can’t remember which now) but I thought I remember seeing art of her where she was with Ryu and Ken, and younger then them.
It was an interview with one of the SF designers, but I can’t remember if it was Bengus, Akiman, Kinu, or Edayan that said it. I remember someone saying how when Edayan started designing characters for SF and Rival Schools, that he looked at alot of unused character designs for insperation, mostly Bengus’ stuff since apparently Edayan is Bengus’ understudy, however not all his designs were inspired by other stuff, but some of the RS designs (and things about the game) were inspired by Evangelion.
2- I just found that out recently so I want to change the name even more now. But I’ll refer to her as Goku until I find the right one.
Names I’m considering are Ada (Revenge), Hana-Kei (Flower-thorn) or Otomei (combination of otome and mei which means dark daughter). What do you think? Got any suggestions?
3- Well that’s how old I assumed her to be actually. In my SF4 story, it is assumed that ‘Goku’ has trained under her father from an early age till he died and was also trained by other masters over the years, picking up several styles and incorporating them with each other. The ‘evil intent’ that plagued Ryu only struck when he was younger and a weaker fighter, when he got older he outgrew it. So Goku is probably at the stage where she is vulnerable to Evil Intent. Add the fact that she is driven by vengeance and negative emotion. It is assumed in this SF4 story that she witnessed the fight between her uncle and father take place before her very eyes.
4- She is far from Sakura and Makoto in terms of skill and gameplay. She probably will have same basic moves such as a projectile and dragonpunch but I don’t think she will execute them in the same manner we’ve grown accustom to. She is the main character in my story, so I hope that I can develop her as much as I can.
Again if anyone is interested in giving my character designs a shot please do, you can find them here.
Well when I named the my SF Neo characters, fortunatly almost all the characters had names even those who had never been actual fighters (like Mel, Amy, and Datta) but I had to look up some stuff for the chars that had no names, although there was only one official character that I had that didn’t have a name and that was Chun Li’s daughter, but I also made it so that Chun Li had a (adopted) son as well, not to mention made Sakura have a kid too, so I just looked up some Japanese words, and named Sakura’s son “Tenshi” which means “Angel” as in “her little angel” then named Chun Li’s son “Yoshitego” a combination of the words “Abandoned Child” and “Orphan” while Yoshi’s posessed for I called Tenma which means “Evil Spirit” which is how a I came up with “Mayoke” for Chun Li’s daughter which means “Charm Against Evil Spirits”
Anyways Otomei sounds the best. Its the easiest to say (aside from “Ada” which is already the name of a Capcom character)
Its not really like that though.
The Satsu No Hadou comes from basicly a negative desire within a fighter, its not really an evil intent. It happend to Ryu because he desired to always win, or win at no matter what the cost, while in Akuma’s case it came from the desire to be the strongest, however I don’t know that “revenge” or “the desire to kill” would trigger it, because Dan had those same motives with Sagat and it never triggered itself within him, so Im wondering if those motives woulc/could even activate/trigger it.
I agree with TAS that Otomei sounds best. I was actually thinking today for names for your character, I thought Yuri would be cool, cos it’s Ryu backwards, but then again it would cause too much confusion with SNK’s Yuri.
Otomei is a nice name.
I kinda like Ada, which Capcom character has that name. Otomei isn’t a real Japanese word as far as I know but it works so I may very well go with it. Thanks for your input though.
Perhaps Dan didn’t have the right ‘mix’ or background for SNH to kick it, otherwise every fighter with a strong desire to win or become the strongest would fall for SNH. I imagine Gouken’s daughter has a desire to kill Akuma no matter what the cost, no matter what obstacle comes in her way, she must have her revenge. Although she doesn’t quite give in to SNH in my SF4 quite yet, mainly because of Ryu’s influence but when she comes in contact with Akuma at last, her story, along with Ryu’s take a drastic change.
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Well that settles it. Otomei it is. :tup:
Also, I think Dan got kicked out cuz Gouken didn’t like Dan training purely for the sake of avenging his father’s death at the hands of Sagat.
Yeah, Dan got booted cos he wanted to use their style to kill Sagat. That’s the principle Gouken is firmly against, hence his splitting off into an alternate form of Ansatsuken. So it’s possible that had Dan been properly trained in Ansatsuken that he could have fallen into SNH. I suppose he never did anyway because (a) He usually got knocked the fuck out before he could even get desperate to win, and being such an overconfident air-head, the prospect of losing probably didn’t enter his mind. And (b) Sagat threw the match anyway so Dan probably beat him quite easy.
As for Otomei, I think it depends on whether she’s been actively fighting all these years or simply training. SNH seems to manifest itself in actual combat rather than training because obviously the fighter isn’t fighting anyone in training.
So it would make sense for SNH to start tempting her during the tournament as she’s actively fighting and striving for a goal. She CANNOT lost because she wishes to fight and kill Akuma. So this intense drive to win and desire to kill would unleash SNH pretty strongly within her. Think of all that pent up anger brewing all those years?
I imagine she did fight before entering the tournament, after all Otomei HAS been searching for Akuma for many years prior to SF4 but she never found him. By making a deal with Urien, Otomei will be able to get her fight and chance at revenge finally. Although you are right, the SNH should start kicking in during the tournament and it should REALLY kick in during the fight with Akuma.
lol, this post is pretty lame but I thin Otomi sounds a little bit better… Still Otomei is much better than Goku.
Also let me guess your story, Otomei kills Akuma and sort of becomes like him, and Ryu and Otomei are like friends and have feelings for each other right? So now Ryu has to stop his woman… ?
Otome you mean, which means Girl or Daughter. Otomi is good as well, but I’m going with Otomei (pronounced O-toe-may) for the meaning attached to it.
As for your guess. Ryu and Otomei become ‘sorta like friends’ but Ryu doesn’t realize who Otomei is. Otomei does fight Akuma and there are a number of possible outcomes I have come up with. One of them is the Kairi-esque one which involves Otomei succumbing to Satso No Hadou and defeating Akuma (using the raging demon perhaps?), Akuma is so impressed that he imbues her with his powers before he dies, this possible conclusion would leave Otomei permanently under the influence of SNH.
As for Ryu, I imagine he would realize (because of what happened to Otomei) that fighting isn’t the only important thing in his life and attempts to save Otomei, although is it too late? Does she even want to be saved anymore?
There are other possible endings I am working on, one that strongly involves Urien, Otomei and Akuma. I haven’t ironed this out completely.
This gives me an idea for you Spydaman, you could (for the hell of it) make an Evil Otomei sketch, based on your initial ‘Goku’ design. I’d definitely have her wearing the beads, as a reminder of her father.
The plot guide says nothing about her age. Can you be more specific as to where this art of her with Ryu and Ken came from? The pic I posted long ago had her only with Ryu. Also you didn’t respond about her third design.
Again can you be more specific as to where the interview’s from? I have one in a mook that says nothing directly linking Ojou-san to Sakura, except that Akiman once said that they were at one time considering designing Sakura with spats, but decided against it because they were going for a more modern-day look for her, hence a fighter in a schoolgirl skirt, bloomers, and running shoes.
I didn’t draw the pic; it’s one scanned from a book. PM me with your email address if you want it sent to you. This goes also to everyone else who missed it while it was viewed on SRK 650+ times.
Following up what was asked above, I’d also like to know how to post a picture; I can’t do attachments anymore hence every one of those vanished. :sad:
It only happens to those who know/use Ansatsuken, which does know.
Although it should be noted that Ansatsuken isn’t a fighting style despite Capcom listing it as one. Ansatsuken is “The Style With The Killing Intent” which works out great for Akuma, but it seems really dumb that Ryu and Ken’s styles are also named “Ansatsuken” despite them having no moves with the “killing intent” within their style(s) so its very contradictive. Gen is also listed as using Asatsuken, but he obviously uses Kung Fu, so really his style should be listed as something like “Ansatsuken Kung Fu” just like Akuma’s should be something like “Ansatsuken Karate”
Think about this though. Gouken taught Ryu and Ken about “not killing” and that things like revenge, and negative emotions should never be part of them or whatever, so don’t you think he would’ve taught his daughter the same? Ken saw Akuma kill Gouken too, but he’s never had the desire to kill anyone, same with Ryu even though Akuma killed Gouken who was basicly Ryu’s father.
As upsetting as it probaly was for Ryu and Ken to loose their master, and relizing that what Akuma did was wrong, it was probaly somewhat easy for them to relize or they already knew that that was the kinda thing that happens when it comes to certain fighters.
Also relize that Capcom intentionaly chose to never use Gouken’s daughter, probaly her character brings up so many complications if she were ever introduced into the storyline.
Here comes another one of those “complications” the last time Ryu and Ken saw Gouken’s daughter she would’ve been full grown, ie it be very hard for Ryu to not recognize her, specialy after having spent a good portion of his life around her.
Im guessing Gouken’s daughter is older then Ryu, because we never heard anything about her mother, like if her mother had been around (or alive) after Ryu was brought to Gouken, there probaly would’ve been mention of her, which is sort of another complication, why did we ever hear anything about Gouken’s daughter and not his wife? The only reason I can/could think of is that she’d be dead (be cool to find out that Akuma killed her, although it wouldn’t make sense given Akuma’s code of honor, unless it was accidental, like if he threw a powerful ki attack at Gouken and he dodged and it hit his wife)
I too have Ryu come to a relization in my story, slightly diffrient, but still in the same vien that he relizes that fighting/training isn’t important, because he basicly gets to point where he can’t improve anymore really (in terms of moves and skills) and relizes there’s alot more to life after Mel basicly forces him to experience a normal life (takes him to movies, clubs, new clothes, etc) then by the end of the game/story Ryu decides to try and live a normal life, while teaching others what he’s learned.
She can’t use it unless Akuma teaches it to her, since Akuma is the only person alive that knows it, and unlike other moves its not the type of move that someone can learn just by watching (it can actually kill the user if not preformed correctly)
I thought there was a short little comic (in color) published in one of the older SF books that had them together, with the version of her that looked like Yuri.
It was also from another comic, although now Im thinking/relizing now that it was probaly something uncanon. I remember the panels showing Gouken’s daughter looking at the dojo, then it showed a bunch of flashes of light come from the dojo, then Akuma walked out right past his niece as if she wasn’t even there, then Ken tried to fight him, and Akuma beat him in one move (knocking him unconcious too)
I’ve just read, seen, and heard so much SF stuff by this point it hard to remember where it all came from specificly.
The short little color comic has her only with Ryu; that’s the page pic I posted.
Another comic? With Ojou-san looking like Anita? And panels showing what Saiki’s only described since four years ago? Of course it’s not canon, all SF comics, manga, and doujinshi are. But which one is this? If your memory’s actually serving you correctly and such a comic exists, I’m quite interested in the specifics of it. This is quite new news to me.
That’s unfortunate that you can’t remember specifics. You’ve said quite a few things about Ojou-san that I’ve never come across or able to verify, and no else has either thus far. If you can back your words, you ought to brief Tiamat at least and have yourself credited some more within the SF plot guide. You could also help me add some more things for my Ojou-san faq if you’re able to prove yourself.
Unfortunately when I asked you in the past about a pic of Gouki before SnH took him over, you gave me a vague response for its whereabouts, and no one else I talked to knows anything about such a pic. So I don’t know if you’re trustworthy with the things you’re saying now.
If you already have the picture scanned and saved to your computer, go to www.imageshack.us and upload the picture. Copy the link to the picture and then either post the link in or .
Daemos: About Gordo, don’t you think a jet pack and wrist cannon to be alittle low-tech and cartoony compared to the stuff we’ve seen in Street Fighter? Unless the point of this character is to be a techno-phile oblivious to the obsoletion of his gadgets I suggest that he lose the jet pack and cannon and instead have an anti-grav system in his suit to enable flight and the ability to fire concussion spheres from his open palm. And replace his goggles with a cyber scouter(cliche yes, but it fits the theme) to know instantly the opponent’s potential.
