Streaming and Recording Guide/Research

Smashbro29 · 2012-09-19T02:15:25.000Z

Honestly you might not have a choice to get 480p. You’re either going to have to get that transcoder I linked to from ebay or you’re going to have to get a scaler ie; XRGB, DVDO, etc. The scaler is nice since it gives you options to upscale and fix any kind of sync issue the original source has.

I have a scaler. It’s just one of those cheap Chinese ones. It looks great. Everything works just fine. It’s just when I tried to use a monoprice VGA to component… converter it didn’t get picked up by my BMIP. I tried every resolution the converter supported and NOTHING.

I just need a way to turn the singal of 640 X 480 into a 480p signal that can be accepted by the BMIP.

DanAdamKOF · 2012-09-19T04:00:46.000Z

Here’s the JROK: http://www.jrok.com/hardware/RGB.html (You’d want the one with component of course)
NeoBitz seems to have moved to facebook, try them there: http://www.facebook.com/Neobitz
The NeoBitz is the one I’ve actually heard of turning 640x480 VGA into 480p YPbPr but the JROK should do it in theory.

Smashbro29 · 2012-09-19T04:33:56.000Z

Here’s the JROK: http://www.jrok.com/hardware/RGB.html (You’d want the one with component of course)
NeoBitz seems to have moved to facebook, try them there: http://www.facebook.com/Neobitz
The NeoBitz is the one I’ve actually heard of turning 640x480 VGA into 480p YPbPr but the JROK should do it in theory.

Messaged Neobitz. Not sure which one to order from JROK.

ShadoStrike · 2012-09-19T07:22:42.000Z

I was wondering if you guys have any recommendations for carrying and storing stream gear? I currently use a tool box and some luggage, but I’m hoping to find one large carrying case, that’ll also help keep wires and hardware organized.

Right now I’m using a large luggage that can fit both my tower and a camera bag. The camera bag has enough compartments to store everything quite nicely.

I have a Pelican case as well, but no wheels = no go for me. lol

Well I looked at my setting and they are fine, I’m going to try re-installing the software now.

Ah crap. Hopefully it’s just the software acting up.

Tetsuosan · 2012-09-19T21:36:45.000Z

Here’s the JROK: http://www.jrok.com/hardware/RGB.html (You’d want the one with component of course)
NeoBitz seems to have moved to facebook, try them there: http://www.facebook.com/Neobitz
The NeoBitz is the one I’ve actually heard of turning 640x480 VGA into 480p YPbPr but the JROK should do it in theory.

The JROK and the neobitz will not downconvert the vga signal from the dreamcast. Remember even though its VGA off the dreamcast it’s actually 31kz that comes out of the port. You can either hack a third part dreamcast vga adapter to do 15kz and then splice the vga off of that to the JROK/neobitz or you’re going to have to get a scart cable and hack that to the jrok to get the component.

DanAdamKOF · 2012-09-19T22:32:39.000Z

It’s not meant to. He’s trying to get 31khz component (aka 480p) from 31khz VGA. He tried one device to do this, it didn’t work, but I suggested the NeoBitz since I’ve heard of it doing exactly this as an off-label use. No clue if the NeoBitz would work better than the monoprice device but if Smashbro wants to try it he may as well.

I do wonder though, VGA is H+V sync, the Neobitz and JROK both expect Csync I think, I wonder if you can get away with using just H Sync like with some devices, or if you’re supposed to combine both syncs into CSync (Dunno if it’s as simple as connecting them both or if it takes some cort of circuit). When I heard of the NeoBitz being used to get 480p from 640x480 VGA it was off of a JAMMA board with selectable 15/31khz RGB on the JAMMA edge, which has CSync.

Smashbro, another idea, why not try a VGA to S-Video adapter device? They were really popular back in the day when a lot of computer video cards didn’t have TV out, they should be decently cheap now. Going from 480p to 480i for DC games ought to not look bad at all.

Smashbro29 · 2012-09-20T02:48:01.000Z

It’s not meant to. He’s trying to get 31khz component (aka 480p) from 31khz VGA. He tried one device to do this, it didn’t work, but I suggested the NeoBitz since I’ve heard of it doing exactly this as an off-label use. No clue if the NeoBitz would work better than the monoprice device but if Smashbro wants to try it he may as well.

I do wonder though, VGA is H+V sync, the Neobitz and JROK both expect Csync I think, I wonder if you can get away with using just H Sync like with some devices, or if you’re supposed to combine both syncs into CSync (Dunno if it’s as simple as connecting them both or if it takes some cort of circuit). When I heard of the NeoBitz being used to get 480p from 640x480 VGA it was off of a JAMMA board with selectable 15/31khz RGB on the JAMMA edge, which has CSync.

Smashbro, another idea, why not try a VGA to S-Video adapter device? They were really popular back in the day when a lot of computer video cards didn’t have TV out, they should be decently cheap now. Going from 480p to 480i for DC games ought to not look bad at all.

I’m trying to find something that not only work for the VGA I get out of my Dreamcast but also the VGA I get out of my older systems once the sync strike and scaler are done with them. I have the scaler and the dreamcast in a switch. I would LOVE to just convert the switch to a 480p signal that can be converted.

From my understanding the Neobitz is guaranteed to make the stuff from the scaler work (I think?) and it MIGHT work for the Dreamcast. Tell me if I’m getting this all ok.

DanAdamKOF · 2012-09-20T03:05:01.000Z

No guarantee. Just I’ve seen it done before with an AtomisWave set to 31khz. No capturing involved, but 31khz RGB went in, 480p component came out.

Smashbro29 · 2012-09-20T03:22:04.000Z

No guarantee. Just I’ve seen it done before with an AtomisWave set to 31khz. No capturing involved, but 31khz RGB went in, 480p component came out.

Interesting. So no guaranteeing it’ll work with the scaler or the Dreamcast? Risky stuff.

DanAdamKOF · 2012-09-20T03:25:44.000Z

I see no reason why a VGA -> SD Video converter wouldn’t work. Sure you lose a little quality but it’d only look about as “bad” as running said games in 480i natively (not that bad IMO). And you’d still get to view VGA for yourself.

Smashbro29 · 2012-09-20T03:56:20.000Z

I see no reason why a VGA -> SD Video converter wouldn’t work. Sure you lose a little quality but it’d only look about as “bad” as running said games in 480i natively (not that bad IMO). And you’d still get to view VGA for yourself.

True, and I could always decomb in post. But does this solution work for both the Dreamcast and (just for the sake of argument) a Super Nintendo running through a sync strike and scaler?

DanAdamKOF · 2012-09-20T04:35:55.000Z

It should, in theory.

Smashbro29 · 2012-09-20T05:33:50.000Z

It should, in theory.

Scary answer man. Ok, so the move has shifted from VGA -> component via Neobitz to VGA -> S-Video (and I’m sure the audio is easy as pie)?

I know the BMIP only takes broadcast standards. Will the resulting franken-connection work out in the end?

shin_neferio · 2012-09-20T05:36:12.000Z

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2-gaming.html

On Monday, Hauppauge announced a new version of their Gaming Edition HD PVR. It allows HDMI-in recording from XBOX360 (1080p30 recording) and HDMI-out no delay passthrough for both 360 and PS3(component) sources. Expected to release by end of August for $169 MSRP. Note: Only has A/V component and HDMI inputs. No component, composite, nor S-Video like the first Gaming Edition.

yea the best buy near me just got that in. any way around not being able to record composite stuff with it?

Smashbro29 · 2012-09-20T05:54:22.000Z

yea the best buy near me just got that in. any way around not being able to record composite stuff with it?

Converters man. Converters.

underwing · 2012-09-22T02:37:44.000Z

What’re peoples latest thoughts on converting composite and/or S-Video (I actually know nothing about using S-Video from a practical side, since I never have had occasion to do so) from PS1/PS2 up to playing on EVO monitors? Just ordered one while they were on sale, and now I’m seriously considering it to eliminate all of my CRT needs (mainly rhythm games on my PS2, these days). I’d love to get delicious sub-one-frame latency on all my games, but I’d be alright with anything sub-three-frames.

Any hardware recommendations would be much appreciated; I’d love to be good to go when the monitor comes in.

Smashbro29 · 2012-09-22T03:28:08.000Z

What’re peoples latest thoughts on converting composite and/or S-Video (I actually know nothing about using S-Video from a practical side, since I never have had occasion to do so) from PS1/PS2 up to playing on EVO monitors? Just ordered one while they were on sale, and now I’m seriously considering it to eliminate all of my CRT needs (mainly rhythm games on my PS2, these days). I’d love to get delicious sub-one-frame latency on all my games, but I’d be alright with anything sub-three-frames.

Any hardware recommendations would be much appreciated; I’d love to be good to go when the monitor comes in.

From what I understand it’s kind of a crapshoot. I personally use straight component, it’s good enough but I don’t play anything hardcore on PS2.

underwing · 2012-09-22T04:18:45.000Z

From what I understand it’s kind of a crapshoot. I personally use straight component, it’s good enough but I don’t play anything hardcore on PS2.

No component input on the VH236H; just HDMI, DVI, and VGA. Unless they do the whole SoG thingamajig or whatever. Composite to VGA upscaling/conversion would probably do the trick, but I know nothing of that market of convertors; I’m not crazy picky, just want something that’s functioning.

Smashbro29 · 2012-09-22T04:41:34.000Z

No component input on the VH236H; just HDMI, DVI, and VGA. Unless they do the whole SoG thingamajig or whatever. Composite to VGA upscaling/conversion would probably do the trick, but I know nothing of that market of convertors; I’m not crazy picky, just want something that’s functioning.

I’m not sure if there’s VGA out on PS2 but that might work. Also, maybe RGB SCART?

DanAdamKOF · 2012-09-22T06:53:52.000Z

No component input on the VH236H; just HDMI, DVI, and VGA. Unless they do the whole SoG thingamajig or whatever. Composite to VGA upscaling/conversion would probably do the trick, but I know nothing of that market of convertors; I’m not crazy picky, just want something that’s functioning.

SoG works on the Evo monitor: The Evo monitor DOES SUPPORT Sync-on-Green!

SoG is only for compatible games (>=480p games since the Evo monitor doesn’t do 15khz). SFA Anthology works fine through it, nearly all (or indeed all, I’m not sure) of the Guilty Gear games are 480p, I can’t think of other fighters off the top of my head. Other than that, go with CHINESE UPSCALER if you don’t mind some lag (you seem to though), otherwise save up for one of these: http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb-mini.htm basically the best upscaler right now, it works nearly instantly, lag is imperceptible. It also costs as much as like three Evo monitors hahaha

Could also blah blah gsmodeselector blah blah blah, find one of my other posts where I wrote that up. IIRC I got MVC2 working fine in 1080i through it, don’t think I tried any other fighters. Not like you’d run the PS2 version of MVC2 these days anyway.

Ahh, you said rhythm games. GSModeSelector completely wrecks IIDX, it gets off sync and isn’t timed right (and this is running from disc, no HDLoader shenanigans). I hear the Framemeister works fine for Bemani though.