STL Garbage : Chapter III

Wow, I don’t check the board for three or four days, and look what I miss. To everybody that’s played me over the last week G.G. I would like to adress some of the comments, by various people over the past few pages. When you sit back and really look at it. It’s all really silly, reguardless of where you go, people are going to complain about somthing, the problem is some people take minor things too personal. People get mad at me about complaining, as if I use it as an excuse for loosing, but I never do. When I comlain, it’s always about sticks win or loose but when I loose I always give props, as well as when I win. There’s a problem with certain members of our community who rub other people the wrong way, in one way or another. Just as you’re pointing out others faults, realize yuor own.

Aaron
I think you’re one of the few people who get it. I know it’s no fun playing people who are not on your level, and yet you still do it to bring up the community. props.

Allen
I can remember when we all played MVCII, there were times that you lost, and the first thing out of your mouth was the sticks. Eventhough, all of us knew the sticks were’nt perfect. The same thing you complain about, you were once guilty of. The fact that you only complained when you lost, was like a slap in the face to the NWP players, to whom it was more important considering most of us played low tier and for fun. For that simple fact, there was alot of dislike for you by some(not me). At the same time, it didn’t seem as if you really cared for us either. It’s kind-of bad when you come to somebody’s stomping grounds and not even so much as a “Hi” to anybody. It’s easier not to like somebody you don’t know, than it is, not like someboby you do know. I hope you understand that last sentence. I hope your not offended, just some insight from comments made by others(and some of my own). If upset, feel free to flame me, kind of expecting it. P.S. nice av

Glen
First off, love the av. Now on a serious note, I noticed that you take criticism personally, weather it’s jokingly like Scott and Miles, truthfully like myself, or insulting like Tim. But at the sametime if you look back at your past posts’ you shoot insults constantly, maybe intentional, maybe not nobody knows. If other people made comments towards you, simular to comments you’ve made, you’ld be in constant conflict, so just watch what you say, and sometimes it’s not what you say, but how you say it. As far as people talking behind your backs, be real, if you play top tier characters to there potiential, they are cheap but they give you the best opportunity to win. Thats probably why you play them. Besides that’s the cleche that everybody uses when they don’t know how to stop something. It serves my pride better to say “Oh That’s Cheap” than to admit, I don’t know how to stop it. Usually when you hear that from a person, a week later they’re trying to copy it, so don’t take it personal. A lot of times I hear things directed towards me, some even from you. But I don’t respond, and I try to never take it personal. After all, it’s only a video game, just wanna play.

Nutz
There’s no honor in sneak attacks, it’s a cowardous act by a coward. Chances are your a friend of mine, but maybe not. I would think any friend of mine, would have big enough balls to make themselves known when personally attacking someone else. “Bitch move”

Tim
I can understand, some of the comments made toward you. Sometimes it rubs people the wrong way, when they win and you tear them down by characterizing them, or a certain move as being cheap. Or by saying that’s not that hard. We choose the people we play with in games, pros and cons. If you pick a player that is rarely used, there’s usually a reason why. I think you do it out of frusrtation, so it doesn’t bother me. And your right, moves should be risk vs. reward, but we don’t control that, we just deal with it. With all that being said I like you, I consider you a friend. We have good conversations other than video gaming. If not upset call me.

DC
Nice seing you again, just call or post when you want to play again. You’ve gotten a lot better in Marvel. Learn how to play on a stick in XX/Reload. Your little bro Allen is funny as shit.

None of what I’ve said was meant in haste, or to be mean, just trying to get people to take a look at themselves as well as others. If anyone wants to post about my faults, go ahead I’ll try to be open minded and objective. We need to get all anomosities out of the way, before we can move on.

My God, VF is just blowing my mind at the moment. So… much…to learn…

I swear to God, in the first 10 minutes of playing it, my fingers already hurt! Its so complicated, I almost think I won’t be able to play it. But then again, I thought the same thing about GGXX… :smiley:

-Grunt
In your giant post you didn’t address me! :frowning:

Just kidding…

-Tim
Yeah, hopefully we’ll get some games in on the weekend. I want to learn some VF basics (and maybe pick a character). The tutorial is helpful, but the cold logic of a machine is no substitute for the warm, loving embrace of a human… wait, that sounds so wrong! :lol:

Sadly, I am not going to the tournament. I have work and whatnot. :lame:

-3S players
I’d like to try this game out at some point. I might need some beginning pointers… but then again, maybe not. :lol: Maybe at a future hook-up?

-VF4
DAMN YOU! :mad: MY FINGERS ARE IN PAIN! DAMN YOU AND YOUR COMPLEXITY! I SHALL DEFEAT YOU, OH MIGHTY VF4! :smiley:

-Shaun (if you visit these boards)
Are you dead?

evil grunt - good words to go by. good shit. i don’t take criticism seriously, but if it always comes up week after week, constantly, then it sinks in. it gets annoying. i apologize on all the remarks i made. it was not supposed to be meant to be mean. maybe interpreted the wrong way? when a joke is takin seriously like when someone tells another not to play a certain person becuz of skill or whatever, it makes them feel uncomfortable cuz they really won’t play. so why bother playing at all? oh, i dont think i have never said anything bad about you. i like chilling with you guys. fun as hell.

playing marvel, yes i play top tier to win. guilty gear, i play sol becuz i just clicked with him. aaron can vouch for me. i went through almost the entire character select screen. i even played top tier characters like faust, but i dont like their style. it was just coincidence that sol is top tier in XX.

talking behind my back becuz i play top tier = lame. why would people do that? its not my fault. like my brother tells me, its not the character, but the person playing that makes the game. if you block good, you should be able to win most of the time. example is when i play against aaron. millia has soo much high/low game, but if i block good, then i have a greater chance at winning. millia is 2nd best character in XX. so about your comment :

if you play top tier characters to there potiential, they are cheap but they give you the best opportunity to win. Thats probably why you play them.

its true, but when it comes to guilty gear, its mostly false. everyone in that game can win. depends on blocking good. even anji can beat top tier. everyone in the game has the tools to win. nothing is cheap. the move might just have more range, outprioritizes, or comes out faster(frames). never cheap. people buffering their lose becuz the move is “cheap” makes me mad, but i don’t say anything. its not like what i say is gonna make a difference about how the other feels.

anyways, hopefully this finishes the drama with me. if not, let me know.

millia can slash

Player
I wasn’t speaking for myself personally, as far as characters being cheap, just things I hear alot of when in big groups. When you’re around, ofcourse nobody’ll say, but once you leave thats when it all comes out. As a rule of thumb, I always ask myself “Would I say it, if they were here” and if the answer is no, then I dont say it. But back to the point, I never say a character is cheap, there are no rules except to win or loose. If its in the game, why not use it. If a game is too unbalanced for you don’t play it. cough,cough,chaos I hear the samething about Anji’s auto-guard, and Testaments overhead and traps. And Pots damage. I just ignore it.

yeah. but that was a LONG time ago. you see, i realized that it was stupid and i should have never complained about sticks. you just explained to me perfectly what i had said earlier and used me from the past as an example.

edit: to me, games are full of cheap shit. use them all. a move or something being cheap is like it doesn’t cost much to use that move. or it’s not hard to do at all but it does great damage. etc.

Wow dee, amazing post.

Could I catch a ride with someone to Columbia?

Allen
Your absolutly right on all points. Good post.

Scott
I’m adressing you now.lol Whats up, sorry about my game play this past weekend, it was horrible. I’m a creature of habit, although the changes are minor from XX to Reload, I was just thrown off a little. I would like to play more though. It’s a much better game than XX. Now I see why alot of people, stop playing XX all together.

Rex
thanx!

Everybody
To all who’s read my big post, all points expressed were things discussed with me. It’s easier for me, to come out and say it. Than to say “so&so” said this, and “so&so” said that. As Glen said earlier, I hope we can put all this to rest, and get back to playing games as friends.

Dee - Very insightful and very well thought out post. Thanks for the props, but but I’m finally glad someone said what you did about everything. I try to be there when I can be for hookups, but I don’t always pull through, and to some people I RARELY do, and I don’t like disappointing people. I have my own goals too in all of this (as does everyone else), but that doesn’t mean just abandoning the rest of the comp in an area is a smart thing to do. From what I understand, Chicago is split into two sides of equally talented players that just REFUSE to play with each other. I don’t want STL to become something like that, where we focus so much on internal drama that we never get out of this state as far as reputation/meeting people/comp/fun goes. We should all get along, and my hopes as well are with the idea of ending all of the disputes. I’m aloof and I always will be as long as I’m at this time in my life, so I’ll see people when I see people and I’ll continue to try to make big hookups provided I know about them.

Glenn - I need to talk to you sometime soon, before Colombia. And as far as characters and tiers go, you did click with Sol. You went through Faust, Slayer, Testament, Jam, Baiken, a bit of Ky, a bit of Johnny, Robo-Ky and finally ended up on Sol. BTW your Sol is hella good, so I pump that shit up all the way. Brad wants to play you. :cool:

Rex - If a spot is open, I’m sure you could ride up with me. However, I can’t make any promises because I’m the only ride up for most of the people who ride with me anyway. No promises, but be on the lookout.

Derek/Soino - Good games the other day, your I-no is getting better and better, you’ll learn how to deal with Millia soon. It’s a hard matchup for her, I think, and I-no might just have to guard the hairpin and turtle her ass off to keep her from getting it. It’s a 6-4 matchup in favor of Millia, so I know it’s not easy. Keep at it, you’ll get it.

Allen - Y’know, it’s a shame that you don’t play fighters anymore - I think that we all could’ve appreciated your company and competition. And, chances are, you’d be beating my ass too. Good luck with CS, it’s always great to hear your thoughts here. You often keep order when others are either unwilling or unavailable. Props abound.

Seeing as how Colombia is coming up this weekend, I think it’s prudent that we all get together and practice somewhere. Be it NWP, someone’s house, etc. At the same time we can figure out seating and driving arrangements for those who are going.

I agree with everything that has been said, mostly. As far as complaining/tearing/sticks/ goes, I think that one phrase can describe how I feel about it: suck it up. That may sound harsh, but you just lost at a GAME, plus it only makes you look bad by complaining about something or getting angry about it. Just deal with it in silence, cope, and come back to it later. It’s no different than being 7 years old and having a game beat your ass so much that it made you extremely upset or angry. Just come back to it later when you’re not dealing with a loss. Also, if you have a legitimate complaint about the sticks, save it until later when it won’t look like you’re buffering a loss. Afterall, if that isn’t what you’re doing, why look like it is? Props come secondary, I don’t give props that much and I wish I did, but I’m really just very quiet when I’m playing. I’m trying to get better at that though, remembering to give props, not just thinking them.

  • Soy el piene de fuego -
  • Ay, ay, ay…no me gusta -

Onyx_Chameleon-
I’m going to try and hookup with D on thursday around 6 or so until 10. Then I have to jet straight to work. Hopefully, I will see you there. Otherwise, we’ll just hookup this weekend. Sorry I didn’t reply to you earlier.

Evil Grunt-
Expect a call tonight. I’m itching to try out so new setups etc.

4Gotnkaz-
Where did you teleport to???

Kendall-
Hope you get your ride soon, so we get more hookups started.

During gameplay or after-
If I don’t know how to beat a move before, after block or during, I simply ask the person who is playing that character, because I would at the very least expect them to know more than an average about that character. This situation is so misunderstood, because either people think your lazy and don’t study or they don’t want to reveal what they know how to beat it or they simply don’t know. In a way, it’s asking, “How do I win?” To me, it’s asking, “How do I react in this situation, so I can get good to make you even better as a whole.” Sounds selfish, but if that’s you in a nutshell than lead the person to the right path, site etc. Some people just can’t teach and we all learn different ways, so I am not expecting everything. I ask this question alot in new games and will continue to. I’d rather be a fool for five minutes from grumbling and asking than be a fool for a lifetime and fall for the same trap. Also, you should feel good about yourself that someone is valuing your opinion. I think what my problem is with this game is that I expect something on block all the time or at least some option. Well, I talked with a bud today from another state and he said that you really don’t get much, so in the ways of defense, I need to memorize where the guessing game is for every character’s lockdown. This will be my main focus from now on in this game. Too much imo of the game is set up on offense and moving. I know the game is built off of aggression, but I would think a solid defense would shatter an aopponet’s mind if they could simply do nothing. I know that’s how I feel in vf when I can’t score a single hit. Anyway, these are just some random thoughts if anyone feels like addressing them cool. I would like to start some meaningfull discussions on a players weaknesses and strengths, so we can all grow as a whole? Please use me as a example. The more constructive critisim is better. Please just don’t be undescriptive of your obeservation. Example: Your predictable.

To everyone except shin nutz-
I’m making a public apology and am sorry if I have offended any of you in any way or form relating to poor sportsmanship. If in the future, I come across as an ass or am asking you a game related question please don’t take it the wrong way. If you have a problem, don’t hold it back just take me aside and ask me what’s going on. I rather resolve it right away than have these events take place again. More than likely, it’s just two parties misunderstanding one another. On the same token, I would expect the same from everyone else. All in favor???

Now, will the real SHIN NUTZ please stand up! New Hobby? Yeah, locating your ass.

Tim - I think those are all excellent points, and as far as what you’re saying about crushing an opponent through proper defense and make them feel like they can’t score a hit - believe me when I say that it highly affects characters that need those traps to win. With Millia, if you guess right against one of my traps and I screw up or make a wrong choice to come back at you to try to keep the pressure going, then you could really make me pay for it because of her low defense. Venom’s mixups I can now see about 80% of the time, but I take that in the face sometimes because it’s only Brad I’m used to playing against. As far as memorizing the guessing games for each character, or rather, where those guessnig games come into play, you have got the right idea there. Since you play Venom now, I can tell you that if you do his lockdowns properly you can force someone into continued defense for extended periods of time until they become so overwhelmed that they make mistakes. I am a weak player in that I am highly technical, but do not play as smart as I should be. Therefore I’m very offensive, and therefore I can play a game based around offense, and in that game I play the most offensive based character in terms of winning when scoring a knockdown.

This game is not only based on offensive, but how well you can control your character. Character control is crucial at intermediate and up play because if you fail to have it, you can’t stage an offensive and start traps. Also, good defense in this game comes from a good offense as well. Knowing which moves to use in each situation (beating out an attack with your own attack, when you can throw, how to best keep a flow going while on offense), and it’s a huge gear shift from playing a defensive-styled game. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to PM me or respond here.

P.S: Apology accepted, I apologize for being an ass as well. Now that we’re on the same page with everything, we can both be more open about things. :slight_smile: As far as using you as an example, I think I can sum up a lot of problems with just this game by saying you need to learn to control your character better. I know that’s extremely vague, but it’s something I’d have to show you for the effect to hit come completely. Know all of your gatling options and observe. I’m not trying to sound condescending either when I say try not to get discouraged in certain matchups. VF is a game where everyone is designed around a core idea and the system is above all, whereas GGXX is a game based around a set core of defensive options and giving everybody a broken form of rushdown. There aren’t many bad matchups in VF from what I understand? Correct me if I’m wrong? But in GGXX there are tons of bad matchups that go as far as 7-3 and 8-2. Hope to hear from you soon.

I like ST.

ST is tight. We should play sometime.

lol, i like how dru just post at a random time and posts

i like ST.

TOO GOOD!!!

STL as a whole is clear? are we finished with this drama? i think we are.

MP - i would like to play brad as well. as always, props to you and your millia. everytime i play you, you get better and comin up with new shit. can i say PUMP!?!?! i am finally glad that i picked a character that i like and feel comfortable with.

anyone that would like to play at midrivers, call me or post. i am always down to play. play some more i-no or maybe a couple matches with millia or maybe some potempkin and anji. BRING IT!!

I’m planning on dragging two of my friends up to Mid Rivers tomorrow (Thursday) so I can play some GGXX… Probably around dinner time, so if anyone wants to get some matches in… :smiley: BTW I call 1P side, lol.

And I’ll definitely be there Friday night.

Damn.

I’ll probably see you up there man.

wow dont look at the boards and all this shit happens.
Im heading up to CO and would give rides BUT im going to stay the night there. I can drive peeps up but not back sorry.
Yeah i need a hook-up badly im out of pratice in GG so yeah ill be playing as much as possible. Im good for games 12 - 4 and 10pm - ? so yeah. BTW no arcades for me because no $$$$$ to waste.

DEEE- ill give you a call thursday lets get some games on.

wow what a shitty as game.

anyways im saying whats up to everyone and checking on my STUDENT DRU and GLENN. i forgot that their was a STL thread on here…but i see its retarded enough so im out, back to the KOF boards for me.

Good games last night everyone.

-Aaron, thanks for the hook-up and thanks for the beat down with Millia. Stupid bitch. :mad:

-Glen, nice Sol man, matches were getting close in the end. I’m thinking if you do running gun flame instead of running sweep it might be better, I would just wait for you to run at me and then just sweep you once you got in range and since mine is faster it would win more often than not. But if you do running gun flame I’ll get CH and you get free combo juice, I may be wrong but I thought I’d mention that since I remember it pissing me off in Chicago. :slight_smile:

-Derrick, really good I-No, I think once you get used to my bs you’ll be doing fine. Thos ecombos do a lot of damage, ugh. Thanks for the Isuka soundtrack as well.

-Matt, you’ve gotten better since the last time I’ve played you, good stuff with Anji, still haven’t figured him out completely yet.

-Randy, nice jewelry at your shop err - I mean good stuff with Potemkim yo. :smiley: Getting harder to sit back and toss projectiles at you all day, once you figure out how to block my traps you’ll be beating my ass for sure.

Can we please play Reload next time so everyone doesn’t get burst everytime I throw them please? That’s right I’m tearing. :frowning: Hehe

Also would like to mention that ST blows kof out of the fucking water, even fools know that.

famous amos - thank you for the tip. i will keep that in mind. wow, your venom is too good. i would like to play against venom again.

MP - millia is …

??

them’s fightin words.