Just because you don’t play for anything doesn’t mean you can’t try to play your best. But I can bet that more than half the time you are actually not playing with the full attentiveness/ best of your ability when you are trudging through ranked. Playing to the best of your ability, especially through extended sets can be stressful, and exhausting mentally. Any tournament player can tell you this. My example still stands. I would love to see anyone try to trash talk for “competitive reasons” in any random meet for a recreational sport, an adequate equivalent to online ranked matches, in which the players can most definitely try their best, and not find that one person incredibly off putting. The so called “higher standard” you have for taunting players is nothing less than a gimmicky tactic that only works on those who are new to the game, or those who simply don’t want to spend the time dealing with you.
This so called “tactic” I would love to see put in ANY sort of REAL effect in any setting where most players definitely try their best, at a tournament setting, an extended set, or even an amateur mid level match. The strategic aspect is debatable at best in SFIV, I’d put it below any sort gimmick and I would like to see solid evidence of any top player that falls for it in a competitive setting, ie, NOT RANKED MATCHES.
As for your point of “needing recognition”, it’s not even a valid argument since I already listed extended sets, which have NO extrinsic reward. If I really need to spell it out why your point already falls flat on its face on the inclusion of that example, then this argument is already done.
But no, go ahead and keep defending it. It really shows your colors.
As with August’s interpretation, I wouldn’t disagree with it. But with something such as taunting resembles a crude joke at best in the social setting. I wouldn’t pull a vulgar prank a random stranger, but I would definitely do it to a close friend. Sure, you might take a risk and land on lucky, making a great new friend. But seeing it as a regularly acceptable thing to do really shows how much an individual has matured.
Obviously, I’m over analyzing the whole point. And in the grand scheme of things no one will give a fuck about taunts. But the line of reasoning and parallels with real social interactions stands.
I’m biased as fuck, but I totally agree with you on the notion that most of the time, players aren’t playing to their fullest, especially in random online matches. The notion is especially true for me, as I’m pretty ADD and 100% of the time I play SF:IV random ranked, I’m also either watching a movie or stream on my computer or talking on the phone. A good 50% of the time, I’m drunk to boot, lol.
But yea, random ranked matches aren’t enough to hold my attention alone. So I’m definitely never giving my best. SF:IV for me has become my “background fighter”. It’s the one fighter I can play with my 360 pad, so I can sit on my computer and do other things at the same time. I need my stick for all other fighters.
I especially find it funny when the hate-mailers/rage-quitters always assume you’re glaring at the screen, gritting your teeth and doing your best to beat them. I’ve found that when I tell them how little effort I’m putting into the game, it makes them even angrier.
“What I was doing was explaining how sorrowstick was completely wrong by saying that not liking taunts or getting mad over them is bad sportsmanship when it’s taunting in the first place that’s bad sportsmanship.”
I realized this is general opinion posted by Psychocult…its ok since this is quite subjective element- perhaps we could claim that from the entire FG community, 50% might say taunting is ok (purpose of having fun) and others think its degrading sportsmanship value.
But come to think about it…just like AugustAPc said; it has more purpose than above. Check this out:
lets just say you bump online with trash talking pro like justin wong or comedian like DSP, are you sure to keep your so-called gentlemen, or be a goodie2twoshoes by shut the hell up or you wanna “tick” them so they would realize that talk is cheap (regardless your skill level)
or maybe you meet online with rare player like kayane (female player), maybe you could fancy her with pre-spar respect personal action before you initiate your moves. I guess there’s nothing wrong with that eh?
please don’t lie to yourself…you guys could have at least 1 opponent bad habit. take some of these example…vortex scrub with 50/50 unblockables, spamming projectile excessively, OS overpressure, dull flowchart, mixup random + frametrap, dp random masher or perhaps, turtlers. don’t they deserved to be bashed with personal action? as for me i should taunt’em real hard (take it as insult if you against me too much) so i could sent my opponent a subliminal message to change their gamestyle.
Just wanna let you know I feel damn great if succesfully land tons of personal action over 5digit PP or BP player who got pounded senseless and left with 2tick of life pts. You see no matter how bad sportsmanship taunting is (if its true), i guess its even worse for someone who resort ragequit/mail aftertaunt.
Anyway, you never said anything about taunting as a tool originally. You’re just piggy-backing on the opinions and viewpoints of others… not a good look. What you did say was that you taunt because it’s in the game and you can. However, you just buried your credibility regarding sportsmanship with this statement:
“vortex scrub with 50/50 unblockables, spamming projectile excessively, OS overpressure, dull flowchart, mixup random + frametrap, dp random masher or perhaps, turtlers. don’t they deserved to be bashed with personal action? as for me i should taunt’em real hard (take it as insult if you against me too much) so i could sent my opponent a subliminal message to change their gamestyle.”
This is horrible sportsmanship, which is what I’m trying to get across to you.
thats just a hatelist tht i collect from this forum…it doesn’t mean i tend to dislike those play style. as matter of fact it doesn’t bother me at all because i know how to counter those pattern.
and now i am a bloke with horrible sportsmanship attitude? ok fine…well i guess i should be proud of it. thanks a mill~~~
yet i dont feel i buried my creadibility just because i am proud to taunt.
making friends? hello, this is online spar. we don’t treat gfwl/xboxlive/psn/steam like a facebook…
we’re fighting not socializing. there’s a difference.
As for that, we don’t send ragemail through facebook
(assume you have added some of your friend in gfwl/xbl/steam/psn friendlist to facebook)…
Speak for yourself. I like to add good players/people I enjoy playing with to my friends list. That becomes harder to do when people think you’re a douche.
you know what? There’s once I bumped someone in other forum who ask capcom to remove character winning quote. he claimed some of those quote somehow quite offending and sometimes insulting, seems it fairly similar to ragemail.
i guess he does not agree with:
“GO HOME AND BE A FAMILY _______ (your job here)” LOL!!
what other winning quote do you guys think disturbing?
I don’t mind a taunt if it’s done after a sick read or play. Or if you dizzy the guy and wanna feel good. But taunting for the sake of taunting? Whatever.
“Wanna get a bite to eat?” … Just hilarious, how could you not laugh at that? People who lack a sense of humor, no matter how “pro” or “high-level” or “scrubby” or “noob” aren’t worth my time, online, or in real life.
I think there’s a way to use taunt without being a douche about it. Like using it in the beginning of a set (Ryu tightening his bandana) or focus cancel taunting a fireball that your opponent throws straight away. But I only do it when playing with friends heh. I mean you’re not really playing for anything online - there’s no reason to reinforce negative emotions because the goal is to play and have fun.
I only taunt if I’m playing with friends who know that I’m just clowning around. And heck, I have fun when they taunt me as well (usually happens when we decide to play random characters and mash everything). Otherwise I think its bad sportsmanship because you’re trying to anger the other person. No reason to sugar-coat it.
Well, what i can say most online player need to consult therapist to solve their anger management issues. LOL.
heck yeah…Ryu player deserved to be taunted. They are the legion who take away all the enjoyment and exhilaration of online play…everyday is so dull (yes…indeed, always the same typical ryu whenever i met online).
