He got significant buffs, for instance being able to combo into sweep is really good, specially against charge characters (easing his Rog matchup a bit).
But mostly, the nerfs on the rest of the cast made him really solid. In vanilla, Sagat was a pain in the ass.
I’m staring at AE mook frame data and vanilla frame data. There’s almost nothing changed. +6 on hit for far s.LP to combo into sweep. That’s it. S-tier material folks.
Why don’t you guys just admit these claims are only coming from a specific four eye winning a lot with him in AE? One guy with a balance of buff and nerf supersedes more than ten other characters that have received 2-5 buffs in combos and damage from vanilla? lol
You guys are hilarious.
Fielong and Cammy were definitly top in Vanilla SF4, players discovered their potential very late and by that time we got SSF4.
Everyone was blinded by Sagat’s doomsday combo, Ryu’s all around solid game, and Akuma’s mixups to pay much attention to Cammy and Fei. Coming from the arcades, we already knew how powerful those three were, and thus people spent more time playing those characters because their stuff was already well established.
Don’t be silly. Fei has most the 50K BP+ players in AE next to Yun, and he’s not even that popular as a character.
Also don’t forget that Mago, Daigo and Tokido listed him as S tier. Just because Yun got better as the game progressed, it doesn’t mean that Fei automatically dropped to A tier. It just means that there are now two S tier chars, with Yun being the strongest.
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In fact, they already mention Yun and Fei as S-tier in that interview:
Care to show your source? I used to play Fei in Vanilla and I’m 98.5% sure that you could never combo into sweep outside of cl.mp. Eventhubs frame data lists +5 on far lp for Vanilla: Fei Long’s Frame Data Super Street Fighter 4 : EventHubs.com.
He was good, but much worse against Sagat (safe TK, general hard matchup coupled with crazy comeback), Zangief and Akuma (he’s one of the guys who falls for sweep and there was no Gekirinken to threaten vortex). I’m not saying he was bad in Vanilla, but I really think he’s much better in Super and A.E.
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in vanilla, everyone did a lot more damage, and/or had a lot more life, so fei lost to more charracters. ryu, ken, honda, blanka, sagat, and akuma were all much worse matchups in vanilla, not to mention he still lost to all the charge characters that he loses to in super console. most of those characters had damage reductions, and other various nerfs, and it drew those matches closer to 5/5’s.
fei got a couple buffs on the way into super. his f+hk was sped up, and hk cw was un-nerfed into a semi abuseable move. he also recieved no damage nerfs. nothing drastic, but when everyone else dropped down, all of a sudden he didnt have very many bad matches. by no means was he a top tier character in vanilla. it really felt as tho every match was up hill. if i recall he only beat 4 characters, lost a bunch, and had 5-5’s against one or two
in AE, everyone mostly got more nerfs. almost every charge character he lost to was nerfed in some way. couple that with fei not getting a single damage nerf for the second time, and a way to apply more KD pressure on his natural bad matches via jab sweep, and you get a really good character. not because he dominates all his matches, but because its hard to find characters that beat him.
the difference between fei and yun seems to be that one character ended up being top tier by default, while the other looks like he was designed to be the best. by the time the tiers shake out, i think yun will end up having a 1-2 ugly 3-7 matches, but at the same time will have a bunch of dominating 7-3 matches. fei’s matches will probrably be less extreme. mostly 5-5’s, one or two 4-6’s, and a handful of 6-4’s
i think yun gets more hate because he dosent have a specific character type as of yet who consistently gives him problems. he has ways to deal with everything, and it looks like he can play his game against whoever. thats also why i think fei’s bandwagon isnt as big as it should be for a top 2 character. people dont jump ship to just not lose matchups and get more 5-5’s while playing patiently. you jump ship because you want to dominate with sexy offence and go 7-3 against some people
its well noted, even by mago that turtle type characters with fast walking speeds consistently give fei a hard time. maybe people will start to hate fei as equally if/when yun gets figured out
Your pretty much right on the money here, I already secretly HATE Fei, dude is so freaking solid, simple, straightforward, destructive.
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I doubt yun loses to zangief from what i´ve seen and feilong has advantage in AE against gief. It already was 5-5 in super despite most feilong players say it´s on gief favor.
Never understood why Fei players think its in Gief 's favor. That is one of the most boring ass fights to watch when Fei does the right thing. Lame it the fuck out and chill on the random cw’s.
it was even or slight advantage fei in super. fei probrably wins it outright now without GH knocking down. gief might be able to punnish any blocked rekka with spd now tho. dunno. havent seen much AE gief
Don’t tell me you guys haven’t seen that final between Itazan and Mago:
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^ That shit is so boring it’s actually entertaining lol.
Hilarious final.
Actually, yes.
Stop acting like you know what you’re talking about.
Are you kidding? Fei Long transformed from soft hitting character to a hard hitting character by not having experienced the nerf stick.
Cammy was a weaker Rufus until Rufus was nerfed.
It’s only a matter of time before someone in this thread goes “Ken was always better than Ryu in SF4, it’s just he was unexplored until AE came out”
holy hell that was shit.
I think she still had better option selects and more options vs. fireball characters. Not saying better or worse, but vanilla cammy is a very very good character.
that was a really good and intense match. I don’t see how its boring.
not enough jumping forward.
Dead on with that one. 