SSF4 Tier List Thread REBOOT Super + AE (Updated: 02-01-09)

Fuck Guile anyway. Shit is ridiculous trying to deal with in Super. is a biased Makoto player

Man Akuma is good but he ain’t that good. They nerfed the crap outta his ability to stun/dizzy his opponent (sweep 200 to 100 stun ouch, super). His damage was also nerfed which doesn’t help. Plus characters can still herp derp FADC him for 400 plus damage which is half of akuma’s life bar. In order to win with Akuma ya gotta play perfectly, with the other top tier characters you can get away with random shit and still beat Akuma. Someone said before that in Vanilla Akuma was, “high risk, high reward” and in super he’s, “high risk, mediumish reward”.

Where is the risk in Akuma’s playstyle? He’s noted for being least risky in his toolset.

850 life?

850 health + combo into ultra + SF4 magic reversals + excessive invincibility frames on too many special moves + AUTO-CORRECT = dead Akuma…

I think you need to look at the invincibility frames on SFIV moves, then look at ST invincible move frame data. If SFIV’s invincibility on stuff is excessive to you, you’d shoot yourself trying to play ST.

#1. Fei Long
#2. Akuma

That is all…

A bit harder to execute in Super Turbo…

That’s an element, but not the whole picture. Try not to take that question literally–it was meant as rhetoric. To say that he’s a “high risk character” (as the person I quoted did) is a bold statement. 850 health doesn’t make a character high-risk. It shifts the risk-reward equation, but doesn’t make a character entirely.

his only real weakness is his low health, but once you get the knockdown you have every tool to apply safe pressure to pretty much the entire cast.

Crossup meaty demonflip divekick shits on everyone on knockdown.

Truth hurts

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seriously, if anyone is playing akuma and still complaining about the system mechanics nearly 3 years in, then it might be time to pick a new character or an older game

let me sum up all akuma players reasoning for akuma not being top 5-

akuma isnt that good because i get hit by random stuff.

akumas safe ass vortex isnt good enough to get me around reversals.

i need one more mixup to kill someone than i did in vanilla. not like the vortex dosent lead into the vortex dosent lead into the vortex

Theory Fighter Akuma = extremely low risk

Average Akuma = extremely high risk

High Level Akuma = medium risk

Akuma has all the tools to be one of if not THE best character in the game. People playing him get blown up because they aren’t on point with their shit and think it’s Akuma’s fault. Bullshit.

go ahead, say he isnt top 5…

I do think Akuma exists in the high tier bracket. You will not find many Akuma mains who do not think this.

I do think that the system mechanics make Akuma high risk. High level players can reduce the risk by playing smart and having the execution to implement the theory fighting (some of this is physical). Tokido has proven that it is possible.

I do think that there is an overwhelming simplification of the difficulty associated with using the character by people who have never tried to do it.

I absolutely know for a fact that I am a terrible player and have been so for a long time.

okay. he can be hard to play. you can say he’s as hard to use as viper for all i care. just dont make the mistake of saying that he isnt in the discussion for top tier because its hard to play him

Go read the chocoblanka interviews

Go play Hakan 20 matches in a row. Then return to Akuma and stop complaining.