I had a good taste today of AE Fei, Yun, and Yang. These guys tower over everyone else but Yun is definitely the best. He just has this nonstop offensive onslaught of links that all leave him in a safe position. Best way to beat him is to master safe jumps and counters to his whiffed SRK, but even that is tricky. And his lunge punch is just all kinds of retarded.

It would be different it they didn’t have a command grab on top of being divekicks characters…

Those jabs are a life save, Vulcan. Not only that, but he’s got a bunch of other changes. Head to the Fuerte forum to read up on them.

I am noticing that what makes Yun better than Yang is the fact that Yun has constant non-stop pressure forcing your opponent to have to guess on wake-up. His close medium kick launcher to f.j mp to light shoulder is a great reset and mix-up which leads to big damage around 500 if you can combo off of shoulder.

Yang seems to have the task of getting close, opening up his opponent, doing damage than has to get back in range. where as Yun is constantly on top applying pressure and stays close after all his BnBs.

Yang seems to have more tools for defensive situations such as ex command dash, fadc DP, better ultras. But Yun has the better of the Offensive tools for mixups and constant pressure such as his dive kick being faster, ex lunge punch to close the gap and linking medium punches. And since AE is geared towards offense, I’d say that Yun is better twin

Nitro Noodlez exposed me today :frowning:
need to dive Kick moar on block.

What is Yun vs Rose? I fought one today and he got me scared to DK after EX Soul Throw…after that i kinda played it like Blanka…any one got tips? Also Yun vs demon flipers

So the Japanese that have been playing yun and fei took top spots in LA, but CEO had a nice mix of top chars. Maybe it is more balanced then we are thinking? Props to Sabin/Ross. I was hype to see them go so far, sux they had to fight.

No way is Yang stronger than Yun…Yun just does so much damage/stun and his ex cmd grab is ridiculous. Not to mention you’re probably gonna land GJ twice in 3 rounds for 40% life each time. Did I mention ex lunge?

Also no way yang is harder to play…if anything he’s easier, he can hit confirm with like 200 lights and still have an easy link into c.mk rekkas and fadc into whatever. Also his s.lp never misses on crouchers so you can basically do the same combo on everyone no matter if he’s standing and it doesn’t require the fast reflexes Yun does.

If Yang LOOKS harder to play it’s because he doesn’t have the herp derp factor than Yun has, but execution wise he’s a lot easier.

Really enjoying both of them, although I admit they’re kind ridiculous.

But from what I’ve seen yangs super is trickier than yun’s and he has to rely on resets to get good pressure. Sounds harder than yun on those accounts, but I agree that the bnb is braindead easy.

Yang’s super isn’t “trickier”, it’s just not as good as GJ…it’s only really usefull in the corner and yang really depends on meter for his high damage combos so he’s not gonna have it almost every round like yun does. Yang has to do a fadc combo to do the same damage that Yun does with a normal hit confirm. Yangs FADC combos are quite easy tho.

Again, execution wise yang looks easier, but it’s overall harder to win with him because he doesn’t have the crazy damage output/super that yun has

Just want to pinch in and say Yang’s s.lp does wiff on crouchers (always on Honda and Blanka, and always on the rest of the cast if you do something like cr.lp, cr.lp, standing lp, rather than just one cr.lp, st.lp).

Anyway, both twins have braindead easy execution.

Back to tiers, watching the Yuns and Yangs in action I really gotta say they have a “Gief” when they’re on the field, in the sense they completely wreck the dynamic of the match. They really fuck almost the whole cast, and maybe have a hard time against Honda/Guile/Rog and an amazing matchup vs Fei Long…Revelations finals was awesome and Daigo is just ages ahead of Mago.

Also I’ve probably seen the fastest matches of SF in my entire life…the whole set of Marn vs Jago (I think, it was a Dic player) probably ended in less than 30 seconds and the matchup looked like a 9-1 lol.

Basically this. But so does everyone in this game except gen and viper, so…

Marn’s Yun dive kick pressure at CEO (wtf, if Rufus was scary…) and Yun performance at Revelations - Yun is better than Yang.
All Yangs at CEO including Justin, Flow, PR Rog… seemed beatable but not S-tier.

But it’s too early to judge from American tournaments. Matchup inexperience and not fleshing out the characters could potentially be a reason why you saw Arturo Sanchez and Mike Ross get as far as they did. They knew their mains (and their nerfs) well, and compensated for those. Whereas everyone on the Yun/Yang train haven’t done anywhere near the same amount training mode hours yet.

Anyone who plays (or often played against in Super) Sim and Honda could see the many problems in both Art and Mike’s games… I’d say it was a combination of luck and character genius that got them that far.

Re: Revelations… Daigo with Yun is just asking for a Yun mirror to make things even.

Actually, all the people who made into top 8 of both tournaments have extensive AE experience. They have had access to it pretty much from release.

Marn’s Yun is good, but people will learn to deal with it or maybe he’ll get randomed out eventually. Daigo’s Yun with solid gameplay and perfectly spaced dive kicks is much stronger/scarier.

They did not have access to training mode. There’s only a limited amount you can work with outside of training mode when folks are waiting to play.
Just having access to the game doesn’t mean you can freely experiment with setups that work with other characters.
It’s just not as convenient as having easy access to a plethora of good players with many characters to learn matchups (JP), or the ease of training mode at home.

How much has Ross played AE? Little it seems. How many Hondas have the WC guys played in AE at Ross’ level?
Same goes for Sim. How much has Art been playing the WC guys? Arturo was using Fei to get through the bracket as well, don’t forget.

Too many people blowing things up as usual here now a days at srk.com.

Yun and Yang are phenomenal characters in this game, however too many over zealous comments here. So many people are looking for nerfs, omgosh they are too overpowered and can’t be stopped that I’m sure the majority of the people who don’t sit to really think of ways to actually try and figure out ways to stop them.

Japan doesn’t know everything here, and just because they haven’t figured out bullet-proof options to stop Yun and Yang doesn’t mean that players here can’t. Forget the entire notion that they are overall better then the US players. I don’t care about that, because that has nothing to do with figuring things out to stop other characters, considering anyone can do that, if you actually put the effort and don’t try to quit. Yes, sometimes their are characters who simply are that good and there’s really nothing you can do about it. However just this past CEO 2011 should’ve told everyone here that Yun and Yang don’t run the show in AE. I mean, 3 Twins in the Top-8 and not even one of them made it into the Top-3 spot, with Marn being the closest at 4th.

Yun and Yang are powerful, but they look to be nothing more then the New Vanilla Sagat, which is absolutely fine. Hell Vanilla Sagat and Ryu would shit on some of the things Yun/Yang would do. You want to know being a truly overpowered character? Go back to Champion Edition when Dictator clearly was #1 in that game bar none and demolished the entire US scene besides one single player who shall not be named that kept winning every tournament w/o using Dictator. Now CE. Dictator was an overpowered character who deserved merit of receiving nerfs because their really was almost no way to stop his bs from happening, his only two arguably slightly tough fights (slightly meaning that instead of playing fully asleep against your opponent you had to actually be half awake against those two) would’ve came from Ryu and Guile, and that’s with the Ryu and Guile player playing basically almost to perfection. You could literally be winning the entire round, have Dictator one chip away from victory and then having him land double knee press and its good game for you, even at 100% hp.

I’m also guessing most of the people whom are complaining about Yun/Yang have never played other Street Fighter games as well. Look to Capcom vs Snk 2’s very own Blanka…I swear he had No Bad Match ups in that game whatsoever. Look to ST. Sim the guy was a monster and was an even more intimidating character in his game then the Twins in AE, yet even Sim wasn’t winning every tournament.

I feel many of you over exaggerate things way too much and take too many things out of context without properly going through all the reigns to figure things out of how to play against them first. It’s like what Justin Wong and Alex Valle stated in the youtube video speaking about Yun and Yang to other players in that video when they claimed “Yun/Yang are OP”. They said the Twins are strong but people just need to play and garner more experience against them. Then with that knowledge you can try to figure things out against them, and the outlook will no longer be as bad as you assumed.

Sometimes you’ll get that stupid character who’s just that good (Tekken 4 Jin ~ JFLS dealing 60% damage+launcher+inescapable on block wtf?!, MK2 Mileena ~ Sai projectiles equivalent of SFII Sagat Tiger projectiles but 10x more broken, Street Fighter II : CE Dictator ~ infinite lockdown setups, more then half life dizzy combos that can lead to re-dizzy ocv combos) but Yun and Yang in AE are not on that level, so keep playing and stay competitive.

Lets be honest here. I don’t play AE seriously as well as the rest of the other top players…Chinatown Fair closed in Feb, when Next Level opened it was only opened on weekends. Where is this “extensive” AE practide u guys are talking about? Keep in mind I wasnt there every weekend and I was getting raped at guard crush before this.

People before were jumping the gun about the twins ruining the game before it actually came out.

People now are jumping the gun to say the game is balanced despite it only being the first week.

do you guys lack a…perception of time?

Sabin, were you serious when you said that you felt AE was a bad game? Are you just not digging the safer offensive characters and vortex stuff or what?

Yeh I agree. I respect Yang players. He requires more precise execution. Sure you can FADC both his Ultras but U1 FADC is pretty strict and takes a lot of pracitce while U2 FADC from the upper kick doesnt go through the full Ultra so it does little damage. His dive kicks seem to me to be worse than Yuns too. The frame data with +1 advantage on one of the Yun moves Im aware of so far at least shows his recovery times are much quicker than anyone else including Yang.

Overall Yang has quite low range against grapplers as well as low health and damage output so he requires a lot more work than Yun. Hes definitely not overpowered. Hes a good character but theres more ridiculous stuff in the game from characters like Oni and Yun which can do far more insane things. Onis ground pound is insane and his dash swipe move can prove to be totally insane. Check out the “Dakiing” Combo of Onis which uses his EX but does far more damage than a super and is unstoppable almost.

People need to stop crying about “The twins” theyre not the same character and require very different mindsets. Yang deserves far more respect than hes getting. Just because his twin is Yun people are finding it far too easy to just throw his name in the mix as being overpowered. Hes actually pretty well balanced.

Yes
Char archetypes are not properly represented in AE. Playstyle has weaned more torwards rushdown…which is not SF to me. Both archetypes should exist, one shouldnt be stronger than the other. People complained about turtling in Super/Vanilla but the rushdown chars blew it up in majors regardless. Lastly if I wanted to fight against twins, I would play 3s :confused: