I think Hawk is really the only one that really hits the Twins fairly hard and is a solid 6-4…maybe Sagat. From what I’ve seen, Hawk can do pretty well against them. Sagat needs to be on point. 6-4 in a perfect world; nearly (-nearly-) 4-6 if you start including human error. He just can’t afford to make a mistake. Zangief just seems 5-5…he’s anti-rush down but the Twins can still get the drop on him.
I actually think Seth handles the twins fairly well too, surprisingly enough. st.HP with Sonic Boom keeps them fairly honest, dive kicks can be AAd with cst.HP and crouching SRKs and (apparently) they have a hard time getting Seth off if Seth initiates mix-ups. Seth can punish Yun’s kicks on reaction fairly easily with his Hyakuretsukyaku, and if the Dragon Kicks are done at a poor time, he can cr.MK FADC into a combo and very rarely do his punish BnB. Players with on point reactions can react to lunges with Ultra 1 too, I imagine. Pretty on point reactions though…
their so much better then the rest of the cast their the only fighters I’ve played against online with the occasional ryu/ken
I’ve always wondered why this section didn’t have a General Discussion thread. +1 for this suggestion.
Has the recovery been buffed? I’m pretty slow but I can punish most projectiles on reaction with Yun/Yang.
Seth is either throwing booms full screen (where Yun cannot punish them, or Yang gets SRKed after rolling through) or can throw st.HP before Yun can punish…provided you space it correctly. Not sure on st.HP with Yang though…
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Gamerbee hates this game because now he has to block once in a while, something he is not used to do with the broken wakeup he has been abusing for the past year. Tokido is pissed because the most popular character happens to do well or even against almost anyone (that includes akuma), japanese players are biased too.
I don´t think oni is any good so far, extremely gimmick/tricks based character that when people know will never work and the worst wakeup of the game. He has great damage and good normals but at least for now, that´s all. And I don´t think he does wel against yun/yang/akuma/zangief/feilong and in this game if you don´t beat at least 2 of those 5, good luck doing anything in tournaments.
I would’ve liked AE a lot more if the twins weren’t there.
Also: buffing Fei Long and nerfing guys like El Fuerte = WHAT THE FFFUUUUUU >:(
Capcom should’ve only buffed low and mid tier characters but left guys like Guile, Cammy, Bison and Honda unchanged. That would’ve been a lot more interesting.
This hasn’t been a tier thread in a long time. 
stop saying that. fuerte players are saying he is better
After playing a while, Sagat does well against Yun, he does decent against Yang but I think Yang’s roll kick will give Gat some trouble. And as I predicted, if you can’t Kara then Yun and Yang will beast on you.
It’s so weird though, I’m winning matches I should have lost in Super and it feel’s great haha.
I think Yun does better because he can random shoulder. *Shrug
I am pretty sure when they asked Daigo what Yun’s worst match up was, he said Ken. Towards + MK is hard for Yun to counter. In time I am sure people will find more solutions to the twins. Fei long on the other hand might be a problem since he has been there since home release of SFIV and all his weaknesses are already widely known.
Who is gonna give Viper a hard time now? I think she is right up there with the twins/fei.
No it’s not. St mp easily counters Ken fwd mk.
Canceled into hk dp punishes him for 200 on whiffs or you can cancel into shoulder if you have super. If the matchup is indeed in Ken’s favor it’s not because of that.
It’s probably because the match up in the end will boil down to footsies more so than rush down or mix ups. And Ken wins in the footsie department. But Yun isn’t a slouch though when it comes to footsies.
Nah, throw out that EX-Lunge like it’s a fireball. GoDLiK3!
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Yun vs Grapplers are pain,especially T.Hawk.
I cant Divekick because i get SPD, cant Dragon Kick because ST.Roundhouse trades,so i have to sit there palming n throwing out random fwrd Fierces or st.mps.
Not only that but he can 50/50 his crossup once he spds.
PLUS the grapplers have anti air ultras.
Yun vs Sagat seems even although kara TU shuts down dive kick attempts.
prolly 6-4 in sagats favor. Also cant random Shoulder because lp/lk tiger shot counter hits yun.
I tried,got hit,and Sagat combo’d a cr.mp. Cant Meaty Palm since TU seems to have some invincibility on start up.
Yun vs Yang seems pretty even too since both share god liek pokes and safe strings.
Yang has to spend for combos into U1,unless you get st.lp,U1 down. Yangs Palm is Faster than Yuns so he can get Seiei Buu quicker,and has crazy lockdown and mixup in that mode.
I think Yuns Best Match up is Evil Ryu,since one shoulder = half health. He teleports, i Lunge after him. He throws a fireball,i Genei Jin him to the corner.I just cant Meaty Palm or dive kick too much since he has Shoryu.
thats from my expirence.
I actually also think the yun yang mu is tricky. I had a yang roll through my palm and tried to shoulder his palm, but it didnt work. Good sagats are a pain and t.hawks just need to get you once to make up all the dmg u have done with pokes.
