SSF4 Makoto Thread: Return of the Mak!

tylerzd · 2010-02-28T04:23:27.000Z

Arc-rail:

I think it’s unlikely considering that MP + MK is taken by focus attack, and she can’t get a command like viper’s overhead because all the F + whatever are already taken.

Not an issue. Just do something like: :l::p:, or, :df::p:. I’d prefer the first option to prevent accidentally getting the wrong command normal.

I asked about this because I used to use her universal overhead quite a bit and would be kinda sad if it went away.

Shoryu_Reppa · 2010-02-28T04:27:35.000Z

Stay_Crispy:

I don’t think her axe kick will be an overhead in this game. For some reason, in SF4 you can block dive kicks and such low.

Her axe kick looks just like Goukens axe kick (I think it’s jump forward roundhouse?) and that shit hits overhead. I can’t imagine Mak’s axe kick NOT hitting overhead.

Also, I wonder if whiffing her uppercut over and over from full screen will be good for building meter.

Also also, did starting a hayate then canceling it build any meter in third strike?

Bisse · 2010-02-28T04:30:45.000Z

Shoryu_Reppa:

Also also, did starting a hayate then canceling it build any meter in third strike?

Yes.

JackieAstro777 · 2010-02-28T05:30:09.000Z

Does anyone know if Makoto is getting all of her normals back? I’ve only been able to confirm f mk and f fp so far. I’ve got my fingers crossed for f fk; I love that Karakusa setup.

Hotobu · 2010-02-28T05:46:46.000Z

For those bringing up Cammy and Rufus there’s a big difference there. Their dive kicks can be comboed after. Whether or not you all agree with the designers thinking that’d be too good I’d bet anything that’s what they were thinking.

As for her normals I can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t give her all of them. Whether she’s got the same kara ability on some of them is a different story. The UOH is a different story. That wasn’t so much “her” move as it was 3S’s. “Her” UOH belongs to her just as much as a Super Jump belongs to Dudley; it doesn’t. It belongs to the 3S system. Ibuki is getting one because it’s integral to preserving her both from a playstyle standpoint and of her super agile ninja persona. I’m not saying she wont get it, but it isn’t really owed to her.

Anemone · 2010-02-28T05:50:13.000Z

Shoryu_Reppa:

Also also, did starting a hayate then canceling it build any meter in third strike?

Yes but so did wiffing normals.

Antihippy · 2010-02-28T05:54:01.000Z

But you can build meter by doing specials in SF4, so I see no reason why it wouldn’t.

Though I can’t see people constantly cancelling hayate to gain meter. :lol:

Hotobu · 2010-02-28T05:55:19.000Z

Anemone:

Yes but so did wiffing normals.

Yeah good call on that. I forgot to say something about that in my post and you’re right. I’d abuse the shit out of Hayate cancels if they built meter. It’d be sweet if they did, but I can’t see Capcom doing that for this game.

edit: Also about in air armor breaks: Isn’t that T.Hawk’s AB? I believe it is.

Ladon · 2010-02-28T06:02:19.000Z

Viper’s cancels do not build meter, chances are mak’s hayate cancel won’t either

Antihippy · 2010-02-28T06:05:12.000Z

Ladon:

Viper’s cancels do not build meter, chances are mak’s hayate cancel won’t either

Really? Ah well.

Doesn’t really seem that abusable anyway.

Twin_Rhapsody · 2010-02-28T06:10:39.000Z

Hotobu:

For those bringing up Cammy and Rufus there’s a big difference there. Their dive kicks can be comboed after. Whether or not you all agree with the designers thinking that’d be too good I’d bet anything that’s what they were thinking.

Another point to this is how low to the ground these 2 particular Dive Kicks can be used, if they were overheads, these 2 characters would soar to god tier. Think about it like this, if Balrog’s st.LP was an overhead, and his cr.LP hit low, would you or ANYBODY be able to switch guards on reaction? In the case of all 3, they can land an Ultra through these moves if they go into something else: Headbutt for Balrog, ANYTHING for Rufus, and I *think Cammy can off Cannon Strike on its own.

Stay_Crispy · 2010-02-28T06:20:39.000Z

Shoryu_Reppa:

Her axe kick looks just like Goukens axe kick (I think it’s jump forward roundhouse?) and that shit hits overhead. I can’t imagine Mak’s axe kick NOT hitting overhead.

That’s not really a matter of hitting overhead though. Thats just the regular rule that jumpins have to be blocked high. In SF4, most jumping command attacks can be blocked low. It’s really weird.

Antihippy · 2010-02-28T06:32:52.000Z

One thing to consider is that rufus and cammy’s dive kicks are pretty much instant and their active hit frames last until they hit the ground. Meanwhile, makoto’s has some startup time and doesn’t really last all the way to the ground. Plus they don’t act like dive kicks at all, more like air tatsu’s except for EX version.

I can’t see why they wouldn’t be overhead. It would be pretty stupid of capcom to make them not hit overhead.

System_1 · 2010-02-28T06:42:42.000Z

Is there any special move that is performed in the air that hits overhead? I can’t think of any and more than like she won’t get it either, she will likely just get an advantage on block.

JD_inc · 2010-02-28T06:56:24.000Z

Stay_Crispy:

I don’t think her axe kick will be an overhead in this game. For some reason, in SF4 you can block dive kicks and such low.

All dive kicks you can block whatever but if it is classed it as a dive kick is yet to be seen. Probably will though unfortunately. ):

Ladon · 2010-02-28T07:02:35.000Z

Mr_Moody:

Is there any special move that is performed in the air that hits overhead? I can’t think of any and more than like she won’t get it either, she will likely just get an advantage on block.

although this is true, we have to remember than mak’s air special could not combo into anything whereas most characters with air specials can combo after them(viper’s bk, akuma’s fireballs, cammy’s spike, and rufus’ dive kick) whereas maks just leads to KD or KB

Infil · 2010-02-28T07:18:17.000Z

Mr_Moody:

Is there any special move that is performed in the air that hits overhead? I can’t think of any and more than like she won’t get it either, she will likely just get an advantage on block.

Gouken’s air hurricane hits overhead, as well as his demon flip dive kicks.

Mnszyk · 2010-02-28T07:20:17.000Z

Mr_Moody:

Is there any special move that is performed in the air that hits overhead? I can’t think of any and more than like she won’t get it either, she will likely just get an advantage on block.

I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure Gouken and Akuma’s normal jump dive kicks hit high.

Tresjin · 2010-02-28T07:47:36.000Z

Ladon:

although this is true, we have to remember than mak’s air special could not combo into anything whereas most characters with air specials can combo after them(viper’s bk, akuma’s fireballs, cammy’s spike, and rufus’ dive kick) whereas maks just leads to KD or KB

Only Makoto’s RH and EX Tsurugi couldn’t be comboed after because they knocked down. Short and Forward versions acted like a normal jump-in attack and allowed for combos. Those two strengths also allowed for juggles when done air-to-air.

System_1 · 2010-02-28T08:10:59.000Z

I wasn’t aware that Gouken’s air hurricane is an overhead, but Gouken and Akuma’s dive kicks aren’t performed in the air. The moves just make them approach from the air.

And perhaps they can make the Tsurugi comboable in this game. Her overhead chop doesnt’t knock down anymore (I’m fairly certain it did in 3s). In any case I’m not sure how much Tsurugi being an overhead will help. At first it might throw people off, but people will get used to it imo. Makoto has alot of great air normals as well that are faster, have great reach and can be comboed after.