SSF4 Makoto Thread: Return of the Mak!

gen · 2010-04-19T03:20:01.000Z

theBAYsics:

i dont think it works. couldnt get U1 to land after fukiage. always ended up landing behind. even tried ex fukiage in corner to U1, doesnt connect. this was tested on ryu and sagat.

damn, that sucks! what about the …FADC -> st.F XX hayate?

theBAYsics · 2010-04-19T03:27:42.000Z

standing fierce doesnt combo after fadc. jumping fierce did but couldnt land a hayate afterwards.

gen · 2010-04-19T03:29:58.000Z

theBAYsics:

standing fierce doesnt combo after fadc. jumping fierce did but couldnt land a hayate afterwards.

sorry dude, what i mean’t was, st. F xx hayate FADC -> st. F xx hayate, does that work?

theBAYsics · 2010-04-19T03:33:01.000Z

couldnt get that combo to land. you could do st. fierce hayate cancel to c.lp to lp hayate.

gen · 2010-04-19T03:38:54.000Z

theBAYsics:

couldnt get that combo to land. you could do st. fierce hayate cancel to c.lp to lp hayate.

WOW! i thought for sure that would work! something must connect after a successful st. F xx hayate FADC… maybe something with less start up? cr. lk xx lp hayate perhaps? the reason i’m on this is because, a FADC combo like that can possib bly lead to big stun damage. i’d hate to think that FADCing is only used for mixup shinanigans and can’t be used to extend any combos.

ShinobiBrown · 2010-04-19T03:56:33.000Z

Watch it end up being something dumb like FADCing Hayate on hit pretty much gives Makoto her 3S post Hayate mix up rather than extending the combo. So if you want your post hayate 3S style mix-up, you have to spend 2 bars.

If that ends up being the case then that’s pretty fucking stupid, so I hope it doesn’t turn out to be that way. If you can’t combo a s.hp after a Hayate FADC ON HIT, it would be nice if you could connect s.mp after it at least.

gen · 2010-04-19T03:59:19.000Z

ShinobiBrown:

Watch it end up being something dumb like FADCing Hayate on hit pretty much gives Makoto her 3S post Hayate mix up rather than extending the combo. So if you want your post hayate 3S style mix-up, you have to spend 2 bars.

If that ends up being the case then that’s pretty fucking stupid, so I hope it doesn’t turn out to be that way. If you can’t combo a s.hp after a Hayate FADC ON HIT, it would be nice if you could connect s.mp after it at least.

capcom can’t be that stupid? or are they?

mwisk · 2010-04-19T04:36:55.000Z

I just heard Makoto has an infinite in SSFIV. Is that true?

ShinobiBrown · 2010-04-19T04:41:34.000Z

Nothing about an infinite has been posted here. Probably just some bullshit rumor. Where did you hear that from?

mwisk · 2010-04-19T04:51:33.000Z

I heard from the Vegas stream… Kinda hard to believe I know… but who knows.

gen · 2010-04-19T05:00:26.000Z

lol, if only she was that broken!

ShinobiBrown · 2010-04-19T05:18:51.000Z

We’ll just have to see.

If it was stated in the Vegas stream chat from a random, I’d take it with a grain of salt. Those stream chats are always filled with QQing idiots who just complain about random and dumb shit rather than just watch the fucking game. So I never bother paying too much attention to the chat. It’s the equivalent to reading a GameFAQs thread.

mwisk · 2010-04-19T05:24:55.000Z

It was the streamer I believe, and he did mentioned something about Rojo from SRK knowing the details or something like that…
I don’t have accounts on stream channels (too lazy) so I can’t ask directly in the chat. Makoto is one of my mains in 3S and I’m considering maining her once again in Super, so I’m curious about her possibilities.

izanagisama · 2010-04-19T05:38:19.000Z

LoneWolfZ:

Also the focus delay focus fukiage works in the corner. Decent combo to do after the oppopent is stunned. I can’t seem to do it mid screen because her dash puts her in the opposite side as the opponent is falling after the 2nd focus attack to dash. Probably just my execution.

Maybe give FA2>FA1>backdash>f.Lk-Kara’ed Hp/Ex Fukiage a try. Give s.Hk-Kara’ed Fukiage ala 3S a try too if the problem is being too far under them.

ShinobiBrown · 2010-04-19T05:41:28.000Z

Well if that’s the case then it’s gained my interest. It’s just a matter of waiting until more info is posted I guess. Curious as to what it is.

tylerzd · 2010-04-19T05:49:56.000Z

If the report is legitimate, no doubt it involves some combination of s.MP and hayate feints. That normal is certainly ridiculous enough to make this kind of rumour semi-believable.

gen · 2010-04-19T05:54:05.000Z

ShinobiBrown:

Well if that’s the case then it’s gained my interest. It’s just a matter of waiting until more info is posted I guess. Curious as to what it is.

hmmm, must have something to do with hayate feints on large characters like gief and hawk if that is true. although i just can’t see how it’s possible???

Sephiroth73003 · 2010-04-19T06:21:05.000Z

I doubt its true it would have to be a link off hayate for anything like that to be true as theres pushback that prevents that on any normal. My guess is she doesn’t have an infinites at all.

izanagisama · 2010-04-19T06:26:22.000Z

Only way I could see it is if Hayate Cancel or whatever move/s involved moved Makoto forward. That also seems like something that would be easy for any play-tester to catch.

From videos it doesn’t look like Hayate Cancel moves her forward, and as far as we know, none of her forward moving normals are cancelable, right?

tylerzd · 2010-04-19T06:51:09.000Z

Okay folks, we’re getting reports in from multiple people who have the game now. Time to start up that mixup thread. Lots of info re: resets and karakusa related shenanigans incoming soon.