Sorry for the confusion about Marn guys. 
What I meant that said Seb said in a video that Marn said the kara was really hard to pull of, but it was the LK kara and not the F.LK.
v-ryu
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still no answer about oroshi -> FADC -> anything:(
Raynex
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Sharin, you should try using a well-timed EX Karakusa as an anti-air. Take the hit and grab, plus you get ultra meter for a potential U1. Youād get alot of use out of one bar if you used it that way.
So Karakusa isnāt guaranteed off of normal->any hayate? She was famous for her post-hayate mix-upsā¦the distance it sends opponents is kind of disappointing.
Nah, but thatās not too big a change; Karakusa was never guaranteed off any hayate. The F+LK kara may give it sufficient reach to let it work like the old days, assuming the timing is masterable.
one thing Iām thinking about is that sharin said that f.lk is the one thing that could reset after EX hayate in the corner, but f.LK is much slower than most of her other pokesā¦is it the only normal that will hit them in a juggle like that? otherwise I was thinking st.MP should do nicely or maybe even cr.FPā¦maybe even cr.LP since it would allow you more time to act
still wondering about cross-up fukiage as corner mix-up after EX hayate though (EX hayate->f.LK->HP fukiage since the fukiage SHOULD cross up will it hit since the hitbox is slightly behind her?)
you could do stuff like that in 3S after some resets so you probably can but after a f. LK reset i donāt know.
kinda annoying if only move after EX hayate I can get is f. LK
175 pages worth before the mad hype train finally slowed down. Impressive work folks. :sleep:
I hope her alt colour 10 has her wearing the hat like Gouken instead of having it hanging off the back. Might actually buy that alt if that was the case. :razz:
The new alts come with the game, unless that changed or was mistranslated.
Yeah. I feel like someone should start a general discussion thread nowā¦ Pre SSF4 is winding down and its time for new beginnings.
Iāll start one.
Zanken
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All alts comes with the game, you still need to buy the keys to unlock them though.
lol
NB2
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Played this at Wondercon. Iām pretty rusty, and this was a limited sample size so take this with a grain of salt. She seems like she can be an effective character. Her EX overhead combos out of her low short very quickly. Her low strong looks like a good poke, which allows for a good entry into the dash punch game. Her dash is quick, but there seemed to be a slight delay stopping any dash>throw, dash>choke>, or dash>low short shenanigans. This could have been rust, but I felt like a good dash got me to neutral, but not to an advantage. Her EX dash punch is great. Mega fast. So fast that itās hard to even tell what properties it has in a limited sample.
Biggest disappointment: her choke has NO range. Even touching toes, it missed. I tried to grab Sagat out of his ultra, and it was a no-go. Could have been bad timing, so much more play time by better players will be needed, but it definitely doesnāt seem like you can bring all of the 3s Makoto plans to SF4. She may be very effective, but definitely not in the same ways that she was.
Man did that command grab feel nerfed. The roundhouse command grab felt too slow for offense. Might still be useful as a counter in footsies, but time will tell.
Huh lolā¦ I assume you mean grab Sagat after you block his ultra lol.
Dash never put you at an advantage if they are waiting for itā¦ they can just poke you all day. Her dash looks to have less recovery time than her 3s dash.
And Iām pretty sure they said it would be free this time.
Colino
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No not at all. Theyāll be selling them in packs just like last time.
Iām pretty sure they did actually say that they were going to be free. If not then they at least implied it. Unfortunately, they had a change of heart and decided to charge for them, again. Capcom wants money, lol. So yeah, gotta pay for them if you want them.
Theyāve never said exactly how alt costumes will work for the new characters. New alt costumes for old characters are definitely DLC as there are preorder promotions out right now offering a free set with Guile, Gen etc. For new characters i assume the same tactic.
ILPOLLO
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Alternate1 for vanilla cast = free
alternate 2 for vanilla cast and alternate 1 for the new challengers = $$$
Actually Iām pretty sure alternate 1 being free is if you already bought it for vanilla.
Sharin
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Ive been playing less makoto these days because im giving other characters a try also (specially dudley), but last night I had like 60 matches against helltpm cody as makoto and Im pretty sure I can say cody has advantage in that matchup.
@v-ryu I tried it a bit and you can combo c.jab/shot and hayate after normal oroshi, it can be nice for some mixups
think about trying oroshi->FA2?
I wonder how many active frames oroshi has and if a meaty oroshi would link into anything?
oroshi->FA2->st.FP->hayate by itself should be in the 350ish range, assuming the other theory juggles donāt work (Iām really hoping at least FA2->FA1->fukiage works)
