SSF4 Guile Changes & Discoveries

[System_1]

I’m not seeing far fierce being the same. It’s trading a lot more than usual for me. I used to stuff Rufus’ dive kicks and other jumpins free. Same with Abel. His jumping jab traded with my far fierce from a noticeable distance.

Also after watching Daigo vs Jwong, I’ve noticed cr.medium stuffed Rufus’ jumpin. Is that a new property? I used to cr.short Chun’s jumping neutral roundhouse, to make it whiff…but i’ve never tried cr.medium. How reliable do you think this is as AAA, considering the improved hit box? I’d luv it if it beats out jumping short/or horizontal limbs.

And I don’t think I’d completely abandon Ultra 1. That shit takes off a chunk of damage now. You can still dash ultra. Can anyone test it out against Rufus’ messiah followups? I know you only got like 3 hits, but I wonder how much damage it does now.

[System_1]

I’m not seeing far fierce being the same. It’s trading a lot more than usual for me. I used to stuff Rufus’ dive kicks and other jumpins free. Same with Abel. His jumping jab traded with my far fierce from a noticeable distance.

Also after watching Daigo vs Jwong, I’ve noticed cr.medium stuffed Rufus’ jumpin. Is that a new property? I used to cr.short Chun’s jumping neutral roundhouse, to make it whiff…but i’ve never tried cr.medium. How reliable do you think this is as AAA, considering the improved hit box? I’d luv it if it beats out jumping short/or horizontal limbs.

And I don’t think I’d completely abandon Ultra 1. That shit takes off a chunk of damage now. You can still dash ultra. Can anyone test it out against Rufus’ messiah followups? I know you only got like 3 hits (in sf4), but I wonder how much damage it does now.

[Pasky]

Anyone else finding the Super and Ultra inputs are more strict? No problems with the recommended inputs but the reverse TK version doesn’t seem to be firing off…

Yes, something was definitely changed, the cancels for the super from normal attacks seems to be less lax now. The ultra I spot no difference, but something is definitely up on the double flash.

[Pasky]

I look forward to it…be deliberate like spell it out. Are you doing reverse tiger knee motion after the crouching medium punch…or is it a better motion?

I do everything by the book, no shortcuts, just old school ST guile combo shit.

[GuruPrimo]

Personally, I think dash SH will be far more useful than dash FE ever was.

@ Jerseyfame

:db:c.mp:r:lp sb:db::uf:lk super:db:charge:r::l::r:3p

very fast on the snap db to uf after the sonic boom.

[JerseyFame]

Thanks i will put my work in when i get home…it looks possible…so obviously im using the initial down back and the forward before the sonic boom to do the first part of the double flash…i didnt think of that.

[Necrosis]

cr.HP seems a lot worse now. Am I the only one noticing this? It seems like guile has no great way to AA with a normal now, Ken and Bison matchups are a NIGHTMARE.

[Pasky]

cr.HP seems a lot worse now. Am I the only one noticing this? It seems like guile has no great way to AA with a normal now, Ken and Bison matchups are a NIGHTMARE.

What are you smoking? You need to use more than just Cr. Fierce, Cr. Fierce is good if they are almost right on top of you and it usually trades, it’s more of a get off me move and you risk trading.

You need to utilize walking backwards and using a st. Strong or even a neutral forward. Even his B. Fierce is fucken good for AA. Standing strong fucken owns bison. Guile has great AA normals. It’s his flashkick that is balls.

[Pasky]

Maybe Im in the wrong thread so dont get all preachy, its poorly organized and impossible to find anything on this. So give me a break. I came here because the best are here:

My question:

What is the input for crouching medium > sonic boom > double flash > sonic hurricane?

I get lost at the medium punch because I can normally cancel from sonic boom to double flash, but medium punch > sonic boom > double flash seems ridiculous to be a logical input. If anyone can give me a shortcut or an input display this would help me. I tried mashing and it almost worked but Dan fell through my sonic hurricane. i tried to duplicate but couldnt. I know there is a precise way to land these moves in sequence. please help me.

Here you go:

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Sorry about the tiny size but some idiot stole my camcorder during Halloween so I’m stuck using my Canon camera. Hope it helps.

[Wikum]

there is so much wrong information in this thread.

[entrerix]

there is so much wrong information in this thread.

i blame daigo.

guile is the new ken. my count for fights last night: 8 guiles, 2 kens…

[Pasky]

i blame daigo.

guile is the new ken. my count for fights last night: 8 guiles, 2 kens…

Funny, I haven’t run into a single Guile yet. I’ve been the only person using him it seems, lol. I’ve run into a buttload of Ibuki’s though.

[noIQ]

maybe i’m doing U2 too late BUT… all the way in the corner, U2 doesn’t seem to connect after a LK SUPER… can anyone confirm? character specific?

(i was vs. t-hawk.)

[Pasky]

I can’t get it connect in the corner either. Doesn’t work there. At least on Dan and Hakan I couldn’t get it to connect.

[AudioCG]

maybe i’m doing U2 too late BUT… all the way in the corner, U2 doesn’t seem to connect after a LK SUPER… can anyone confirm? character specific?

(i was vs. t-hawk.)

I have landed that in the corner, not on Hawk yet though, not sure if there is a character issue there.

[Necrosis]

What are you smoking? You need to use more than just Cr. Fierce, Cr. Fierce is good if they are almost right on top of you and it usually trades, it’s more of a get off me move and you risk trading.

You need to utilize walking backwards and using a st. Strong or even a neutral forward. Even his B. Fierce is fucken good for AA. Standing strong fucken owns bison. Guile has great AA normals. It’s his flashkick that is balls.

you think I’m not trying those? they didn’t work so well in vanilla and they haven’t been in this game.

oh, besides, the main problem I’m having is that people get anywhere near me and just jump and I have to take it because every AA I have gets stuffed.

[miken07]

there is so much wrong information in this thread.

I wanted confirmed information… not “feels better/faster/stronger” information

[entrerix]

i played for about 5 hours yesterday, there were 2 ibukis (tying ken guy thawk, juri, and gief for the second most common pick i saw) but still the internets a big place, so if i fought 8 guiles and you fought none i imagine they must have all been lining up in my neck of the woods for some reason

[ultraman_zoffy]

Biggest SSF4 non-change: losing close matches to equally skilled opponents because their character has easier (guaranteed?) combos into their ultra. We can all be excited about fk/fadc/sh, but it’s no game changer by any means due to the execution being so tricky. Love the game so far, but it should’ve been as simple as fk>ultra2 ala Balrog headbutt>ultra. Gotta love that sonic hurricane though! =)

[Pasky]

you think I’m not trying those? they didn’t work so well in vanilla and they haven’t been in this game.

oh, besides, the main problem I’m having is that people get anywhere near me and just jump and I have to take it because every AA I have gets stuffed.

Your spacing and timing is wrong then. Sometimes, the best thing to do is block.