Ultra 2 gives 2 bars just like Ultra 1:
http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/gouki.html#character_btn
well, maybe one and a half, but still more than just a little bit.
This is definitely my hardest match as a Ken main, but I’m happy the only nerf he has is the loop. Gouki is tougher for Ken because Ken sux at zoning, but anytime I lose, It’s simply because I get mixed up.
Tatsu X-up–RH sweep
Demon Flip–throw on wakeup
Demon Flip–throw after a block string
Air EX FB traps
I lose over and over to those mix-ups, so I’m definitely looking forward to seeing how I can fair against good gouki’s in the this one. Ken’s Flame SRK is back fellas!! I’m waiting for you to jump 
He also has a better fireball too. Ken should be real boy come super.
A real boy? You mean he should be exactly how he is supposed to be, better than Ryu.
I meant a real boy, as in better than pinnochio.
WTF you talking about?
Actually on the real tip, aren’t Ryu and Ken supposed to be even in the storyline?
What does story line have to do with anything? You dudes I swear.
Calm your skittles. Deadpool said Ken is supposed to be better than Ryu.
is that stuff confirmed for Ken though? What does a “slightly better” FB even mean anyway? I mean, his zoning sux right now because of his recovery on his FB–period. If that is shaved off a few frames, Ken can zone. So although the adjustment is slight, the outcome is anything but. So I’m too sure what to expect when I read his FB is “slightly Better” If Ken can zone, that’s kind of a big deal…
And yes, storyline doesn’t matter to anyone but casual players, but Ken/Ryu are equal on the surface, but the storyline always hints that Ryu has a much greater potential than Ken. Ken is the flashy kick shoto that wins tourney’s and marries/have kids. Ryu is nomad that travels the world to become greater than GOuki!!!
Completely irrelevant to why most people play SF, but its cool nonetheless.
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Yeah, less recovery on his fireballs. Ken can zone a nigga out now.
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I always felt the storyline reflected that they were equals, but Ryu had more of a DESIRE(not potential) to be great, while Ken doesn’t care as much.
Is it so wrong to like the gameplay AND story? (Well at least the coherent ones, the Udon comics despite being noncannon are more solid then anything capcoms put out there) I mean as long as you can keep them seperate… an intresting story might not make for intresting gameplay and vice versa, like im sure in the story Akuma would NOT go down in 2 combos, but if he had normal defense ingame, he’d be broken…speaking of which, when will this thread go back to being about Akuma?
Like Gator said, ain’t nothing to really talk about lol.
I’m pretty sure storyline wise Akuma is the strongest character in the SF world. I’m sure Gouken and M.Bison are up there too.
Yep and apparently from 3rd strike oro is equal to Gouki. But we all know thats a lie. Gouki has no equal.
Hakan versus Akuma will be interesting. The slide will punish the teleport pretty big, and Hakan’s damage output is huge. His anti-air grabs are also going to play out very interesting versus Akuma.
im willing to bet a well timed dive kick/air fireball could beat him out of his ultra.
EX Tatsu = Wasted Ultra.
You forget that it will work if you are simply low too the ground and jumping near him, even jumping up, as shown in the seth video. But it will likely be the grab ultra that will be the best in the matchup, as playing keep away is what Akuma loves to do with graplers, and the range on that ultra is huge, and its fast as hell.
But i think the problem with tryin to keep away from Hakan is he can slide under fireballs and punish a bad spacing on an air fireball
Its actually even worse than you think, if you go for an air fireball, Hakan just holds his slippery air grab, waits till you land, and then fucks your shit up.
Hakan, the Akuma killer.
ps. I know its theory fighter, but with the slide, air grab, slippery jump grab that’s chargable, ability to powerup and avoid fireballs while doing so, massive damage out put, and an ultra for anti-air and an ultra for anti-turtling, I can definetly see Hakan having a fun time against Akuma.