any more advice on rose? matchup is melting my face right now
How do you do that OS? I’ve googled it but can’t find any info.
as far as i know it’s just a demon flip cancelled into palm strike, timed/spaced to hit the opponent on their wakeup. then right as it would hit them, you sweep. that way if it hits or is blocked, no sweep comes out cause you did it too early, but if it whiffs because they’ve backdashed then the sweep will come out.
yeah, the timing is very strict, but if you do it right, the palm beats focus on wakeup, the sweep beats backdash and EX soul spiral. EX soul throw whiffs and you have time to punish her before she has time to block. You can do it with a normal jump in too, like j.HK, but sometimes a focus backdash on wakeup can catch you by surprise.
How do you play against fei? I can’t footsie him to save my life. His rekka’s are destroying my mid to close game. Are the rekka’s supposed to beat cr.mk? What do you guys use to beat this? I also don’t want to neutral jump too much in this match up.
Thanks for the info on the OS sweep
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Don’t play footsies with Fei Long.
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Do not play footsies with Fei Long.
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Zone him out. After you have him zoned, do it some more.
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Safe jump the flame kick for big damage.
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St.LP stops rekka. DP his CW on reaction.
In a nutshell, Akuma has all the tools to deal with Fei. As he does with the entire cast.
Funny, I always use U2 VS Ryu However I did switch it up a bit the other night and did as you’ve said - baited focus with sweeps and cancelled into the demon for a sizable amount of damage. Both have their merits I think provided once can comfortably combo into U2.
well i can only combo into it after a FADC combo like c.lp s.hp hado fadc s.hp ultra and the damage it adds, unless the meter is completely full, doesn’t make enough of a difference from the normal bnb finisher.
U1 punishes both teleports and jump ins for loads of damage + optimal placement on the untechable knockdown for a crossup fireball mixup or whatever you like. It’s amazing how people think they’re safe by jumping over your sweeps and how many times you can cancel that sweep with ultra and win the match.
U2 can be usefull if they space their c.mk hado wrong in blockstrings because the input is fast and you can catch them, but it isn’t enough for me to make the switch =)
sometimes you can catch them by surprise by throwing an lp shaku (which they’ll probably reflect back) and immediately go for ex df hand to smack her on the ground.
Also when she’s close, her buttons are usually better than yours, so just stay calm and block and as soon as you see an opening (like after her soul spiral) backdash to safety or throw an ex hado or something.
The only thing that really gives me a headache about rose is her U2…can’t wait till Arcade edition patch gets released so it won’t have complete invuln. on startup.
can someone do a rundown for a ryu matchup? i think this matchup needs to be reviewed. i am finding ryu harder in super compared to vanilla.
This is my very limited rundown (i.e. scrub rundown):
-Do not use instant air fireballs or even many jump-forward air fireballs because he will DP your ass if you do that.
-LEARN TO AA DEMON - caps because of how important this is. Learn your MK buffer, your spacing and your timing.
-Ryu can be zoned. Full screen neutral air FBs will catch him at the tail-end of his HP hado animation. Red FBs work well. And EX DF works great if you can condition him.
-Watch out for long-range tatsus. He will catch you if you get silly with the FBs. c.HP works well against these.
-In Vortex, be very careful because his HP shoryu is fucking powerful! Try to bait it out with DF early palm and punish him harder than a red-headed step-child.
-Watch out for his c.MK, hado, FADC, sweep combo.
-If you can Exploding Palm him, dash forward twice quickly and MK DF for good spacing.
-U1 goes through his FBs at close range, with the right timing. This can work well if he is close range FB-happy.
-You can combo into U2 from a DF (e.g. DF DK, s.HP, U2).
-He doesn’t have many options for dealing with teleport, so combined with cowardcopter, he shouldn’t be able to corner you.
Can’t Ryu punish teleports with OS Tatsu, Super or Ultra?
Yes.
ryu’s hp shoryu sucks balls, it’s the mp one that has high invuln. and you can stuff it with demon flip kick most of the time anyways…the only shoryuken you should be worried about it the EX one.
You CAN use instant ex air fb (just look at all the tokido v daigo matches) and he HAS many ways to fuck your teleports.
Basically most of the stuff you wrote is either obvious (watch out for long range tatsus and ex demon flips is he’s a scrub that doesn’t change his fireball patterns, U1 that goes though fireballs at close range lol lololololo unless it on your wakeup AND he’s REALLY stupid) or completely wrong.
Suck a bag of dicks.
^^He’s right dude, i mean even though he’smymain, i’m not great with Akuma but the only way you’re gonna go through a fireball with U1 without it being wakeup is if you cancel a perfectly timed Crouch MK in to Demon while the fireball is passing over^^^
& Ryu’s Shoryu trades with the wind, true story.
Do you main Akuma?
Yeah that’s true. But a lot of Ryu’s like to FB you on wake-up, so if you spot that tendency in a Ryu player then surely wake-up Demoning can have it’s uses? I know from personal experience that it can work, so long as your openent isn’t wise to your plans.
Anyway, that’s not the issue. The problem I had with his post is that I said in my original post that it was a scrub rundown, yet this guy quotes me, giving me a load of shit, basically telling me that my advice is a load of rubbish, in an extremely condescending manner. Why didn’t he just add his own suggestions in a respectful way instead of trying to shit all over someone (me) that was trying to help someone else (Ero). And besides, a lot of my advice was good: learning the MK buffer for AA Demon, EX Demon on a conditioned opponent, etc.
I don’t see how someone can get literally angry on the basis of a post on an internet message board that was only meant to help someone. I’ll just have to console myself with the fact that anyone who does that clearly has some major psychological issues that need resolving.
Superlollol, you’re a fucking twat.
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But yeah, i hink the main point is that false advice isn’t good advice, it can be detrimental to improvement.
sorry dude, i didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, but seriously, nothing of what you said really applies to the ryu matchup…i mean, if you main akuma you HAVE to be able to do AA c.mk demon, it’s not a Ryu specific thing. If you wanna use ex flip to palm or grab him full screen, you don’t have to condition shit…it just means that A) you guessed right and he threw a fireball. or B) your opponent is a scrub and he just threw like 3 or 4 fbs in a row without any normals in between and he didn’t change the rhythm at all.
I wasn’t angry AT ALL, i was just pointing out that your information was wrong before someone (in this case Ero) would think that trying to go through a fireball with U1 was a smart idea or that he couldn’t vortex ryu because of his hp srk.
I’m gonna quote you for the last part of my message:
I don’t see how someone can get literally angry on the basis of a post on an internet message board that was only meant to help someone. I’ll just have to console myself with the fact that anyone who does that clearly has some major psychological issues that need resolving.