SSF4 AE 2012 Tier List Thread (OP last updated May 2014)

ugo_2u · 2013-07-31T07:54:14.000Z

Gen is top tier, NUFF said. Nerf that Old man, DElete him from the game.

FrostyAU · 2013-07-31T08:36:56.000Z

Dex_Sama:

chubbyfingerz:

Sagat wat m8

Started playing around with him since I play him in SFxT and SF4 Sagat is like a gimped 10 year old version of SFxT Sagat

It’s kind of funny because even though he’s so good in SFxT he hardly ever wants to throw Tiger shot, he mostly uses them just outside of footsie range.

I think a lot of SFIV players use Tiger shot as a crutch instead of exploring the rest of his game. Ryan Hart does well by taking calculated risks with him instead of just trying to zone.

Gachi - kun is a really entertaining Sagat to watch as well, he’s hella aggressive. Rushdown Sagat if there ever was one.

ugo_2u · 2013-07-31T10:47:29.000Z

And pls note that Gen Ultra damage is at a low end of none utility ultra. So nerfing it is like removing it all together. Nerfing super will be like breaking his spine

We want Gotetsu

Warlike · 2013-07-31T11:01:51.000Z

ShinAkuma204:

ilitirit:

Warlike:

Why are you linking me to an interview I already watched?

Why are you asking me questions about a subject that was dealt with about 200 pages ago?

It’s not rocket science. He is getting that damage because of a BULLSHIT comeback mechanic. In other words, for the most part he is losing against the other player. Why should this give him access to such a high powered move? Yeah, everyone has access to Ultra, but how many of them do that much damage?

Slightly OT - I think many issues with Gen is that people just don’t know how free he is on wake up. Too many people just don’t risk attacking his KD allowing him to just keep stocking meter. Ex gekiro is safe jumpable and makes him use bar and doesn’t lead to significant damage most of the time. This is where to exploit the character if you can.

The unfamilarity with Gen is indeed a huge factor still. Look at Tokido throwing air fireballs around like a big fool, Gamerbee doing obvious jaguar kicks while gen has super stocked, and these are the top players nontheless. Let alone the people who are on here. The big problem is that when people face Gen they never seem to have a strategy, most of the time they give me room to play my footsie game and respect that. What you need to do is get in as soon as possible and knock me down. You beat Gen by knocking him down.

Now truth be told a lot of Gens themselves also have no idea. How many times have you faced a Gen online thinking ‘‘oh boy dis gun be gd’’ only to meet with a clown Gen who keeps jumping in with crane j.mk and tries to launch you with random walldives and shit?

Highlandfireball · 2013-07-31T11:48:20.000Z

ShinAkuma204:

I’m not worked up just in shock. If you subscribe to the idea that we (scrubs) can’t accurately detail how a matchup goes (I have no issue with this idea) then why waste so much time discussing it.

I never said I subscribed to that idea. Using one man and one video on the planet as reference for evidence is not accurate.

TheFreshPrince · 2013-07-31T13:11:06.000Z

ugo_2u:

We want Gotetsu

Speak for yourself.

ugo_2u · 2013-07-31T13:13:02.000Z

Warlike:

ShinAkuma204:

ilitirit:

Warlike:

Why are you linking me to an interview I already watched?

Why are you asking me questions about a subject that was dealt with about 200 pages ago?

It’s not rocket science. He is getting that damage because of a BULLSHIT comeback mechanic. In other words, for the most part he is losing against the other player. Why should this give him access to such a high powered move? Yeah, everyone has access to Ultra, but how many of them do that much damage?

Slightly OT - I think many issues with Gen is that people just don’t know how free he is on wake up. Too many people just don’t risk attacking his KD allowing him to just keep stocking meter. Ex gekiro is safe jumpable and makes him use bar and doesn’t lead to significant damage most of the time. This is where to exploit the character if you can.

The unfamilarity with Gen is indeed a huge factor still. Look at Tokido throwing air fireballs around like a big fool, Gamerbee doing obvious jaguar kicks while gen has super stocked, and these are the top players nontheless. Let alone the people who are on here. The big problem is that when people face Gen they never seem to have a strategy, most of the time they give me room to play my footsie game and respect that. What you need to do is get in as soon as possible and knock me down. You beat Gen by knocking him down.

Now truth be told a lot of Gens themselves also have no idea. How many times have you faced a Gen online thinking ‘‘oh boy dis gun be gd’’ only to meet with a clown Gen who keeps jumping in with crane j.mk and tries to launch you with random walldives and shit?

Honda doesn’t need to knock him down and Guile too.

Warlike · 2013-07-31T13:16:11.000Z

ugo_2u:

Warlike:

ShinAkuma204:

ilitirit:

Warlike:

Why are you linking me to an interview I already watched?

Why are you asking me questions about a subject that was dealt with about 200 pages ago?

It’s not rocket science. He is getting that damage because of a BULLSHIT comeback mechanic. In other words, for the most part he is losing against the other player. Why should this give him access to such a high powered move? Yeah, everyone has access to Ultra, but how many of them do that much damage?

Slightly OT - I think many issues with Gen is that people just don’t know how free he is on wake up. Too many people just don’t risk attacking his KD allowing him to just keep stocking meter. Ex gekiro is safe jumpable and makes him use bar and doesn’t lead to significant damage most of the time. This is where to exploit the character if you can.

The unfamilarity with Gen is indeed a huge factor still. Look at Tokido throwing air fireballs around like a big fool, Gamerbee doing obvious jaguar kicks while gen has super stocked, and these are the top players nontheless. Let alone the people who are on here. The big problem is that when people face Gen they never seem to have a strategy, most of the time they give me room to play my footsie game and respect that. What you need to do is get in as soon as possible and knock me down. You beat Gen by knocking him down.

Now truth be told a lot of Gens themselves also have no idea. How many times have you faced a Gen online thinking ‘‘oh boy dis gun be gd’’ only to meet with a clown Gen who keeps jumping in with crane j.mk and tries to launch you with random walldives and shit?

Honda doesn’t need to knock him down and Guile too.

Yes because clearly I was talking match-up specific and not in the general sense, fuck off with your semantics.

ugo_2u · 2013-07-31T13:16:16.000Z

Will Smith:

ugo_2u:

We want Gotetsu

Speak for yourself.

We are Venom.

ugo_2u · 2013-07-31T14:28:01.000Z

Warlike:

ugo_2u:

Warlike:

ShinAkuma204:

ilitirit:

Warlike:

Why are you linking me to an interview I already watched?

Why are you asking me questions about a subject that was dealt with about 200 pages ago?

It’s not rocket science. He is getting that damage because of a BULLSHIT comeback mechanic. In other words, for the most part he is losing against the other player. Why should this give him access to such a high powered move? Yeah, everyone has access to Ultra, but how many of them do that much damage?

Slightly OT - I think many issues with Gen is that people just don’t know how free he is on wake up. Too many people just don’t risk attacking his KD allowing him to just keep stocking meter. Ex gekiro is safe jumpable and makes him use bar and doesn’t lead to significant damage most of the time. This is where to exploit the character if you can.

The unfamilarity with Gen is indeed a huge factor still. Look at Tokido throwing air fireballs around like a big fool, Gamerbee doing obvious jaguar kicks while gen has super stocked, and these are the top players nontheless. Let alone the people who are on here. The big problem is that when people face Gen they never seem to have a strategy, most of the time they give me room to play my footsie game and respect that. What you need to do is get in as soon as possible and knock me down. You beat Gen by knocking him down.

Now truth be told a lot of Gens themselves also have no idea. How many times have you faced a Gen online thinking ‘‘oh boy dis gun be gd’’ only to meet with a clown Gen who keeps jumping in with crane j.mk and tries to launch you with random walldives and shit?

Honda doesn’t need to knock him down and Guile too.

Yes because clearly I was talking match-up specific and not in the general sense, fuck off with your semantics.

Ooooh someone got a temper. You really need to keep it in check, you know keep it classy.

Eternal · 2013-07-31T14:37:11.000Z

Just WATCHING this makes me mad

Warlike · 2013-07-31T14:44:28.000Z

ugo_2u:

Warlike:

ugo_2u:

Warlike:

ShinAkuma204:

ilitirit:

Warlike:

Why are you linking me to an interview I already watched?

Why are you asking me questions about a subject that was dealt with about 200 pages ago?

It’s not rocket science. He is getting that damage because of a BULLSHIT comeback mechanic. In other words, for the most part he is losing against the other player. Why should this give him access to such a high powered move? Yeah, everyone has access to Ultra, but how many of them do that much damage?

Slightly OT - I think many issues with Gen is that people just don’t know how free he is on wake up. Too many people just don’t risk attacking his KD allowing him to just keep stocking meter. Ex gekiro is safe jumpable and makes him use bar and doesn’t lead to significant damage most of the time. This is where to exploit the character if you can.

The unfamilarity with Gen is indeed a huge factor still. Look at Tokido throwing air fireballs around like a big fool, Gamerbee doing obvious jaguar kicks while gen has super stocked, and these are the top players nontheless. Let alone the people who are on here. The big problem is that when people face Gen they never seem to have a strategy, most of the time they give me room to play my footsie game and respect that. What you need to do is get in as soon as possible and knock me down. You beat Gen by knocking him down.

Now truth be told a lot of Gens themselves also have no idea. How many times have you faced a Gen online thinking ‘‘oh boy dis gun be gd’’ only to meet with a clown Gen who keeps jumping in with crane j.mk and tries to launch you with random walldives and shit?

Honda doesn’t need to knock him down and Guile too.

Yes because clearly I was talking match-up specific and not in the general sense, fuck off with your semantics.

Ooooh someone got a temper. You really need to keep it in check, you know keep it classy.

You’re the only one is this thread that keeps making blanket statements and hit and run posts without actually contributing anything to the actual discussion at hand. This post is yet another example. Don’t bother replying either.

ugo_2u · 2013-07-31T14:58:09.000Z

Or warlike my man, you break my heart, my heart is so soft and squishy, you’re a bad man

ugo_2u · 2013-07-31T16:23:33.000Z

Ok my buffs for Gen, extend the hitbox of crLK crane. And increase the juggle height of super. If u r going to nerf ultra 1 at least buff the start up to 5 frames so I can have a TOLO ultra. Also make U2 mantis to caise 700 stun like balrog U2. And make Teiga have no height restriction

superlollo · 2013-07-31T16:33:48.000Z

ugo_2u:

Ok my buffs for Gen, extend the hitbox of crLK crane. And increase the juggle height of super. If u r going to nerf ultra 1 at least buff the start up to 5 frames so I can have a TOLO ultra. Also make U2 mantis to caise 700 stun like balrog U2. And make Teiga have no height restriction

What about having flight in crane stance? I think he needs it to remain competitive

FrostyAU · 2013-07-31T16:35:57.000Z

superlollo:

ugo_2u:

Ok my buffs for Gen, extend the hitbox of crLK crane. And increase the juggle height of super. If u r going to nerf ultra 1 at least buff the start up to 5 frames so I can have a TOLO ultra. Also make U2 mantis to caise 700 stun like balrog U2. And make Teiga have no height restriction

What about having flight in crane stance? I think he needs it to remain competitive

If his hands actually did damage so he had some kind of chip he wouldn’t need to do floaty ambiguous cross ups so much to find damage against someone that’s turtling.

ilitirit · 2013-07-31T16:44:28.000Z

A 5f Ultra that doesn’t require charge and moves across the screen? Yeah, that’s a great idea.

Warlike · 2013-07-31T16:56:28.000Z

Just toying with a couple of ideas here guys, feedback pls:

Every time Gen chances stance he gains 50% of a bar meter, this way he gets his super faster which in turn makes him stronger competitively.
Crane stance now changes Gen into NiGHTS from the Sega Saturn classic NiGhTS into Dreams. He can only fly and in order to revert back to mantis stance he will have to get atleast a B ranking. This done by paralooping the opponent. Gen is already ¨pretty purple so the texture mapping should be ez.

Oh and I dunno bout, like, how legal this is but Sega sucks dick anyway these days so I’m sure Capcom can buy that license cheap.

On a more serious note:

If his super into ultra gets nerfed, which will probably be in the damage department in all likeliness, I would like to see:

More chipdamage with hands
Slightly better start-up crane U1.

ThatJollyOlBastid · 2013-07-31T17:07:28.000Z

ELF - Cody that bad?

ugo_2u · 2013-07-31T17:15:47.000Z

Now I am loving this thread
See that’s the way to have fun @Warlike