Hey zenkix. Your problem is that you’re thinking too small. Being down $500 after 4 sessions is no indication of anything. You need to look at the whole picture after a much longer period, such as 3 months+ to have some idea. I assume the buy in is max $200, so really you’re down 2.5 buy in’s…that’s nothing.

I also usually bring only 2-3 buy in’s, because if you’re stuck that much, any subsequent buy in’s you’ll just think about recouping loss which is not optimal play. I prefer to call it a day then and come back another day with a fresh head.

The best way for you to play is to set aside a number of buy in’s. For live casino play, where the games are fairly fishy, 10-15 buy in’s is sufficient. So if the max buyin is $200, set aside a theoretical 2-2.5k. Then keep a record of each session you play, the number of hours, and the profit or loss. Also remember key hands, key mistakes, note them and what you should have done differently. Don’t look at it as a series of single sessions, but as one loooong session. Losing 2 buy in’s in one day doesn’t necessarily mean you suck, but being down 10 buy in’s over a month play might.

To your other points. Raise or bet for one of two purposes. To get your opponent to fold a better hand, or to get them to call you with a worse hand. In live poker, most of them time you’re trying to get them to call with worse, as they hate to fold better hands and will most likely call you down with top pair or better. Really, it comes down to a lot of factors and experience. Don’t get into the habit of betting when they can only call you with a better hand, and will always fold with worse hands. For example, say opponent raises preflop and only does so with 10 10+, AQ+, and you call with 99. The flop comes Q 4 2, opponent checks, and you think he probably missed completely. Should you bet? There are you hands you beat that he can call you with (unless he sucks), and he calls with hands that all dominate you.

As for playing with scared money…don’t. Teach yourself not to, and set aside a balance of poker money and only poker money. Money is just for keeping score.

For chasing outs, mutiply the outs by 2 for the odds with one card to come, and by 4 for 2 cards to come. So with 15 clean outs, and turna nd river to come your odds are 60% (actually closer to 54%). The rule of 2 and 4 is an approximation. If you’re sure you have 15 outs, get it call in on the flop. The problem people have is they estimate their equity with 2 cards to come, then pay way too much to see just one card. Say you have a 30% chance to make the nut flush, the pot is $45, and he bets $30. Looks good right? Calling $30 to win $75 with a 1/3 chance? Your odds of hitting on the turn is actually only about 17%. You miss. The pot is now $105, he bets $70. Again the price is too high.

Then implied odds comes into it. Can I pay too much for the turn card, knowing that if I hit my straight he’ll have no idea and I’ll take his chips on the river? This rarely applies to flush draws as everybody looks for them, but more for chasing your combo draws and two pair draws.

Ok that’s a lot of information and I probably rambled a bit. Hope it helps.

Wow, that is very helpful information. Thanks!

I feel a lot better about being down $500. I’ll try looking at the bigger picture, but it it will probably take longer than three months. See, casinos are not allowed in my state (MO) so I actually have to drive an hour to the nearest one whenever I play live. In three months, I would play there maybe less than five times. It’s just a hobby right now. Still though, I really want to realize I suck now and improve instead of waiting until I lose 20+ buy-ins. Guess I just need some winning sessions to boost confidence.

One of my ideas to improve is to try online poker. Bodog is still online and I can play there anytime. This would be a much cheaper learning experience than going to the casino. However, I’m worried that I won’t be able to tell the difference and just play the same way in both live and online. So I can end up losing money twice as fast and learning weird habits because the two are completely different.

Here’s another weakness of mine - staying a winner during a session. In all four of my sessions, I would play really tight in the beginning. This prevents me from busting early. After a couple of hours, I’m able to get some premium hands and actually be up $200. The problem is…during the last part of my session, I lose my winnings and become down $200. Really, the only reason I have that one winning session is because I was with my friends then and had to leave the table after only an hour of playing. And I don’t even suffer from bad beats that much really. My chips just slowly disappear. Like I said, it’s probably from chasing cards and not staying tight and also from feeling more confident and trying to bluff calling stations. I tend to make stupid bluffs towards the end of my session thinking my super tight table image will work out for me…it never does.

Man, I feel like I know how to fix most of my leaks…but once I’m at the casino, in a middle of an important hand, I ignore and forget everything. T_T

Bump. What’s the status on USA Online Play? I haven’t been in the loop since Black Friday and I lost my FTP account :frowning:

Same as before.

Pokerstars is reportedly buying out Full Tilt, and refunding everyone’s money from the screwjob Lederer, Ferguson, and Bitar put on everyone.

Considering how well Stars has played ball, and that Party bailed as soon as UIGEA passed in 2006, those two would probably be the first to get back into the US when online poker legalizes (well…if)

I’m reviving this thread with a bad beat story.

This guy limps and I raise from the button with AJ of diamonds. He re-raises and I call. I already know he has a big pocket pair so I just wanted to get lucky on the flop, plus I have position. The flop is 825 ALL DIAMONDS. He bets, I raise, he calls. Turn is another 8. He bets, I raise, he goes all in. Again, I put him on big pocket pair so I wasn’t worried about a boat here – I call. River is a third 8 and he flips over pocket kings. Whoohoo! lol

– Any good news about US online poker?
– Anybody watching the Main Event?
– I heard something about Rounders 2…is it real?

So I loaded 200$ and decided to build a br in micros. I didn’t play since 2009. Fuck man pokerstars is dry as fuck now. Even NL10 only has nits. I don’t know if I can even build a roll fast on online poker anymore.

Phil Hellmuth Jr. greatest of all time… ide say discuss but there is no discussion :slight_smile:

Nothing worse than reading your opponent correctly and then the river decides to make you its bitch.

you can play poker online in the U.S now? I thought they all shut down.

Is online poker even legit after what happened with howard lederer and Chris Ferguson? After talking to my bro, who happen to be a pro poker player for 10 years, he said he doesn’t trust online because he doesn’t want to risk losing his money by having some fucker that can see everyone’s cards. Is there some truth to this?

The superuser scandal on UB/AP certainly let people know it is possible.

Google Russ Hamilton and POTRIPPER.

Stars has been shown as trustworthy through the years.

Sent from a phone, using an app that I purchased from an App Store, that appends this signature above my signature to make me look superior in social status to everyone else.

A very important thing that I find people overlook: You make your money off of playing with scrubs. If you want to go to the pros then be prepared to grind a shit ton and lose money. Let’s say you’re mid tier, you’ll win a bunch by playing with low tier people so you feel like you are a top tier player. Once you move on to the top tier bench, you are now the bottom of the barrel. Choose accordingly.

Another thing to get ready for. Probability and statistics is important for your game, but remember those are still percentages and not guarantees. Even if you read correctly and get smashed due to luck do not let that derail your playstyle if the odds were heavily in your favor.

Fuck online for me then. I always had the urge to try online though. I even deposited $50 but didnt go through so i just didnt bother no more. Maybe that saved me time and losing money.

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Live games for me. But I wont be able to play live for a while since my BR is shit and im getting surgery this week. :frowning:

Thread revival.
I’ve been obsessed with poker ever since I started learning basic strategy for blackjack over the holiday season. With this interest my brother got me a poker book and some chips for christmas and I haven’t been able to put the game down since. It’s so much fun when you win, but once the cards aren’t going my way it really hurts. I’ve been constantly playing on that Zynga Poker app on Facebook, and it fucking annoys the hell out of me when guys go all in every single hand preflop. What is the point?
This game is a blast to play with friends. How do I know when I’m ready to try my luck at a casino? I often start out badly and then gain steam, so early losses make me paranoid of playing with more than spare change.

There is no KNOWING you’re ready to go to a casino. Only way to know is to go.

As someone with hundreds of million of chips in Zynga (lol), I can say that it’s not a very good way to get ready for real poker. However, it’s still very fun and addicting! The problem is like you mentioned, several people buy-in with 10 big blinds and go all-in with any ace or better. When looking for a table, make sure there are at least 3 to 4 people who are sitting down with 100 big blinds – that’s how much you should have also. These are the people you can try to play real poker with because they will not be willing to lose all those chips in one hand. And if they are willing, then you just hit the jackpot.

Learn the basics there. See if you can earn and maintain a few million chips. Before you go to the casino, make sure you do a lot a research and read a bunch of articles about live poker. Good luck!

Don’t play internet poker, especially fake chips. It will fuck up your game when you play live. I have been playing poker exclusively for a year or less now. Still trying to learn and get better. For beginners, it might be fun and shit, but when you get serious with it, it’s a stressful game. You have to deal with a lot of bullshit which a lot of people called it variance/tilt/suckout/cooler or them shit. I considered myself a scrub back then as you can see my posts above, but now I consider myself being able to compete at 2/5 table but doesn’t have the BR for it yet. I just play 1/2 now.

P.S tried online poker only once and decided its not for fun no matter how much I hear people say its easy or not rigged or w/e. For me, it’s rigged, but not gonna get into that shit. To each his own.

Btw, I still wonder whatever happened with this guy,

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Wanderer, good to see you stuck with. Unfortunately, you now know that “fun” and “low limit” don’t go together lol.

ssjtin’s post already said it…don’t play as scared money cuz the low limits will require you to bring several buy ins. And losing money is just part of the game.

Skill wise, if you have good fundamentals (hand / position selection, hand reading, pot control), you will be ahead of most of the gamblers at the table. And you’ll know pretty soon after sitting down and watching the other players if you’re good enough.

book recommendation: How to Read Hands at No Limit Holdem by Ed Miller. The info can be found in articles and youtube videos, but it’s nice to have most of it in one place. It’s a good test to see if you are thinking beyond an intro level. It’s expensive, though, so use your google fu to find the “cheap” pdf copy online.

Phil Hellmuth

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No wonder EVO isn’t at RIO this year. The final table (final 9) in the WSOP is happening the same weekend as EVO