SRK Mafia XV - DBZ! Game Over!

[pietastic]

@DukeC: since you’re asking for advice on how to play, I highly recommend you read people’s posts before you go in on them. Three points:

1. You addressed one question at me. I answered it.
2. ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE (27), it’s quite clear I want to make kaz part of the suspicion conversation. He hasn’t really made that many positive contributions, and also hasn’t “slipped.” He needs to be pressed more, and I want info from Manx on what he sees.

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Hi guys.

Lynch Kaz. :tup:

Any reasoning behind that? You mentioned him way earlier, as well. I don’t personally have anything on kaz besides the fact that he suspected me earlier.

What do you make of 3SL’s roleclaiming and later recanting?

3. Again, on the previous page, I clearly list Exodus as a suspect.

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HAX and others: as far as my vote on Ki Shima goes, I thought he bad capcom removed I would say I was surprised that nobody followed, but I’m really not given the bullshit that happened late in the day phase. (Seriously, people, don’t be led without reason. Think for yourselves. Mafia steered, but they can’t do it with their votes alone.) In any case, looking forward to much more from @ AKI.

Pie did you see my post about not voting ki shima for replacements are ready in wait

after you voted? You voted particularly early.

So you had to, within the 8:55 leaving time.

it wasn’t far away from the tiger shot post, if you were going from most recent to previous pages.
Heck, it was just 2 posts down. Same page. 18

And you’re right. While the very last voter, Augustus pushed it over the edge, early votes could’ve been just as key here. For reference LGP was the last to vote day 1. He came right before deadline Day 2. With more no votes than last time, I was also thinking it could be wrong to be replaced by Bloodymess after I calmed down, maybe I can work it out with Bious. (If all these other guys don’t vote, they can be replaced as per normal roster changes like that.) Not seeing much either way from him except poking at me again. Is there anything to that silence and running into the shadows of a Mafia PM?

So who’s your major suspects pie? Not just 1 for your vote, but like 3 minimum since you may have had time to catchup reading and caught some things us hot heads probably didn’t see all in there.

HAX: I thought Ki Shima would vote, since he started posting. At least we are agreed on Decapre. If you read my post where I vote, I explicitly say it’s to put pressure on him to contribute, and I might have changed it later. I am, of course, very well aware of the rules on replacements. Which is more than I can say for you. I can’t even figure out why you’re still mumbling about getting bloodymess to replace people. Could it be, maybe just maybe, you’re trying to confuse the hell out of people so they don’t suspect you?

I’ll post my suspect list on the condition you do so, as well.

1. 3SL… already listed my reasoning in my vote for him
2. Skizzz, for the whole disappearance shenanigans. He should start contributing today, and if he doesn’t, I’ll be hounding him paparazzi-style tomorrow
3. LGP, for reasons others have listed… unfortunately, I cannot post anything recent, since he appears to be letting the heat die down
   4 (since #1 is obvious): Exodus., though he’s fading on my list with solid reasoning on both 3SL and LGP.

You wouldn’t happen to be trying to push baseless suspicion on me, now would you, Duke?

[DarkGeneral]

**I’m trying to figure out everybody’s roles. And I didn’t start discussing roles, AC did. I thought if it was a mafia ploy, it would be better if I were in control of it. **

If what you’re talking about is me asking who gohan was, then ask yourself why mafia would even care who gohan was at this point. He’s just as dangerous as the role-less at this point. If you guys don’t realize it Mafia is holding all the cards right now. They know who we are ( as far being being civ ) and the more level the paying field is the better for civs.

*Bolded, underlined. If you maintain your innocence as a civ, how the fuck do you think actively trying to seek out roles won’t benefit mafia. If you’re “doing it solo”, why do you think you think a 7 man team won’t pick up on the answers people give you? If “you thought chief was mafia” how the fuck do you commit actions like that when you know he’s a powerful reader. *

Hey man, I mean it in the nicest way possible. I’ve seen first hand your analytical and planning abilities.

I’m not condemned by your activity, like I said you explained it to me earlier. The concerning thing is that the people throwing my name around are ignoring yours.

On the Chief note, go back and read that post again. You’ll see it.

• The people throwing your name around want you to contribute more so they can trust you. You’re seen as an incredibly strong player with incredibly strong reads. When the mafia have started out the game nailing 2 roles back to back, and probably orchestrated day 2’s chaotic lynch they look to the top players first. You might think I’m a top player, and a handful of other people might as well, but if I had to hazard a guess I’am not seen as a top tier player by the majority of people.

That’s not to say I don’t come off as suspicious or whatever, but when they look at the MO the mafia has built in the first 2 nights their eyes look directly at their list of top players. Hence why I’m probably not being questioned as hard as you and Chief imo. *

[DukeC]

So you admit to looking at Page 27 right? And you admit to me asking for help right? Unless I can’t count and need to go back to school how many questions is this Pie? More than 1 right?

I’m still lynching you by the way and you’re still dying by the looks of it.

Now, to do something interesting.
@Pietastic?

What tells do you look for when you suspect someone? Do you go by past history from the games you guys have played together? And if you do do yo go by how they played certain roles in the past? How do you usually tell when one or the other is mafia? Is it just gut feeling or something else? Who out of all of you, honestly, is as capable as Synonym when making reads?

I honestly want your opinion/answer and you have/had more than enough time to give me a no comment. Especially considering you’ve given your opinion on my other posts made after that one.

[pietastic]

So you admit to looking at Page 27 right? And you admit to me asking for help right? Unless I can’t count and need to go back to school how many questions is this Pie? More than 1 right?

I’m still lynching you by the way and you’re still dying by the looks of it.

Now, to do something interesting.
@Pietastic?

What tells do you look for when you suspect someone? Do you go by past history from the games you guys have played together? And if you do do yo go by how they played certain roles in the past? How do you usually tell when one or the other is mafia? Is it just gut feeling or something else? Who out of all of you, honestly, is as capable as Synonym when making reads?

I honestly want your opinion/answer and you have/had more than enough time to give me a no comment. Especially considering you’ve given your opinion on my other posts made after that one.

First of all, you need to take it down at least three notches. You seem to be a person of extremes. First, you’re claiming that DG and others are “ordering” you to do things, then you in turn demand answers to a question that is in fact asinine. Stop playing the victim, and stop being a dick. You’re not helping the civ cause. Which, naturally, is now leading me to put you on my list.

That request you’re citing was a broadcast to many. I ignored it because as others have pointed out, if you expect an honest answer to that question, you’re going to get a roadmap for how mafia can avoid suspicion. Of course, people are going to pepper lies in there. Which then brings up the question of why you’d ask that in the first place. Moving the conversation forward is important, but at the same time, if there’s no good purpose for a question, all you’re doing is cluttering the thread. You’re taking the lazy way out and broadcasting useless questions instead of contributing and really building a list of suspects.

Between 3SL and now you, I’ve seen enough foolishness for today. We have to play tight.

[DarkGeneral]

Food for thought Skizzz was silenced but doesn’t post much. Still doesn’t post much after he’s free to talk.

The obvious play is mafia wanted to silence the person charting numbers, but that can easily be countered by someone elsw picking up the task. (DukeC in this case)

DukeC is on my good side but I am mindful that it would be a crafty play for mafia to make themself look civ.

Have a member contribute numbers.
Silence that player.
Have a different member contribute numbers.
Make friends.

Just an observation.

*This is the exact suspicion I had in mind when I asked them to post their day 1/2 breakdowns. It’s not that I can’t do it myself but rather I want to see what both of them gives us. Skizzz’s first post after getting silenced read a little odd to me. DukeC started off the game looking relatively clean to me but then during day 2 put up a couple pings on my radar.

In my opinion I think the mafia has a couple of top players and probably 1 or 2 trojan horses. Them getting rid of the UC has given them more room to fuck with us. They don’t have to worry about forging one of their top players they want to survive, or playing the UC mind game. Now they can focus on another area where they want to mislead us, all while they have all of their members playing different social roles. I think @orochizoolander‌ last gasp was probably along the right path and something I’ve took to heart.

If 3sl is mafia (which I think he is) then we have to take into account that he was an opening gambit from the mafia. Meaning they thought about how/what he can do and say that won’t lead back to their other members. If that’s the case we have to keep in mind that there will probably be people that was “for” protecting him and people “against” protecting him.

They could have their strong players on the side of “against” so that they could look cleaner and last for longer. Then have their “weaker” players on the side of “for” so that they could gain favor with the player population and continue on as their trojan horses.

They could have their weak players as “against” and their strong players as “for”. If that’s the case then they’re betting for their strong players to talk themselves out of pressure from the civs. While their “weak” could possibly go overlooked.

Lastly, I think it’s a criminal oversight to say that 3SL is more than likely one of the mafia lovers. He could just as easily be the roleless mafia being thrown away in the early game while he accomplishes some other tasks that they want.

[The_Chief]

I can’t disapprove of the contents if the last page or 2. A lot hinders on 3SL’s lynch.

I want to go back and look at who all voted for him so far this phase.

Getting a handle on who… is on the fence… about voting him off could give compounding evidence for some of the current suspects.

If he has 7 votes as last stated, the babdwagon will be starting around right now.

[DarkGeneral]

I understood your categorization for me. I also am one of the few that’s looking at DarkGeneral.

You praise his reads but what’s your opinion on his allegiance.** I think hes dirty, but he doesnt care.** What do you think Synonym?

*If you want to know why it’s very simple. I have absolutely no qualms eating a lynch or a mafia night kill to protect our roles. The longer our roles survive the better our chances of winning. We win as a team and we lose as a team. It’s also why some of our wallflowers absolutely have to speak up. Without a UC to clear their names for end game purposes the mafia is going to have a fucking field day. We absolutely need them to step up and contribute.

United we stand, divided we fall. *

[The_Chief]

I understood your categorization for me. I also am one of the few that’s looking at DarkGeneral.

You praise his reads but what’s your opinion on his allegiance.** I think hes dirty, but he doesnt care.** What do you think Synonym?

*If you want to know why it’s very simple. I have absolutely no qualms eating a lynch or a mafia night kill to protect our roles. The longer our roles survive the better our chances of winning. We win as a team and we lose as a team. It’s also why some of our wallflowers absolutely have to speak up. Without a UC to clear their names for end game purposes the mafia is going to have a fucking field day. We absolutely need them to step up and contribute.

United we stand, divided we fall. *

You touch on something that I’ve already accepted. If Mafia is indeed poised to ein this game, I’m willing to be killed off early so that other players will be forced to step up.

It would be interesting to see if the flowers will stay flowers “or go oh shit this just got real” and wake the hell up.

If they dont care, we’ve already lost.

[Skizzz]

Ok so I’m back in the land of the conscious. I have a hangover that could kill an ox, but I’m going to catch back up on the thread and figure out whats going on. I’ll try to respond to all the questions asked of me.

[DukeC]

So you admit to looking at Page 27 right? And you admit to me asking for help right? Unless I can’t count and need to go back to school how many questions is this Pie? More than 1 right?

I’m still lynching you by the way and you’re still dying by the looks of it.

Now, to do something interesting.
@Pietastic?

What tells do you look for when you suspect someone? Do you go by past history from the games you guys have played together? And if you do do yo go by how they played certain roles in the past? How do you usually tell when one or the other is mafia? Is it just gut feeling or something else? Who out of all of you, honestly, is as capable as Synonym when making reads?

I honestly want your opinion/answer and you have/had more than enough time to give me a no comment. Especially considering you’ve given your opinion on my other posts made after that one.

**
First of all, you need to take it down at least three notches**. You seem to be a person of extremes. First, you’re claiming that DG and others are “ordering” you to do things, then you in turn demand answers to a question that is in fact asinine. Stop playing the victim, and stop being a dick. You’re not helping the civ cause. Which, naturally, is now leading me to put you on my list.

That request you’re citing was a broadcast to many. I ignored it because as others have pointed out, if you expect an honest answer to that question, you’re going to get a roadmap for how mafia can avoid suspicion.

Of course, people are going to pepper lies in there. Which then brings up the question of why you’d ask that in the first place. Moving the conversation forward is important, but at the same time, if there’s no good purpose for a question, all you’re doing is cluttering the thread. You’re taking the lazy way out and broadcasting useless questions instead of contributing and really building a list of suspects.

Between 3SL and now you, I’ve seen enough foolishness for today. We have to play tight.

1st Bolded: I’m perfectly calm. The only time I really lost my calm was when I was responding to 3SL. When I lose my calm I post in ALL CAPS. I also post one word sentences.

2nd Bolded: I wanted to see how’d you respond to that particular wordage and who you’d insinuate.

3rd Bolded: The others have also bothered to either answer or in so many words say no comment.

4th Bolded: Because it helps me.

[Blindknagg]

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That’s something that I didn’t concider DG but it sounds like a plausible scenario now that you mention it. The could also have mixed the groups up so there’s strong and weak players on either side of the argument or is that not as likely?

On another note I’d still like to know where you got the idea from that I was trying to “throw you under the bus” prior to tagging you earlier @Sovi3t‌ ?

[DarkGeneral]

You touch on something that I’ve already accepted. If Mafia is indeed poised to ein this game, I’m willing to be killed off early so that other players will be forced to step up.

It would be interesting to see if the flowers will stay flowers “or go oh shit this just got real” and wake the hell up.

If they dont care, we’ve already lost.

• I think some of them are more than capable of pegging mafia in the absence of top players/confirmed civs to guide them, but they need to get on the same page. The level of gameplay has risen over the last handful of games so they can definitely pull their boot straps up and catch mafia. But they need to stop waiting around sooner or later though.

Also, I’ve noted what you’ve been doing because it’s the same thing I’ve been adding to my game. You want to be lynchable and mafia killable while leaving the vigi to use thier resources elsewhere. *

[Skizzz]

Ok. So the mafia hit our UC, annnnnnnnnnd the single person that I said always lives in my big post. Now I have egg on my face, and we are in a much worse spot.

I am writing this post now because tomorrow is my last day of classes at the university for the year, and my uni has a great big drinking party thing on the last day of classes every year.

Also being silenced super sucks.

In regards to the idea that I am a mafia and was silenced to try to build trust. That idea doesn’t make any sense. Honestly, the way that I play (non-confrontational) lends itself to living for a while (see SAD living to the end of every game). If I was a mafia why would I bring myself into the spotlight by silencing myself when I could have just cruised along in the shadows. It simply doesn’t make any sense, but I understand why people have to consider this idea.

Cuts for brevity and emphasis are my own. If ever there was a mafia-seeming response to being silenced, this is it. Almost like he wrote it and remembered later that he had to throw in some trite comment about how frustrating it is to be silenced. In addition to the whole, “guys, I wrote my post not knowing who’s going to get killed at night… crazy that SAD lives to the end of every game, right?” Later: “oh, he got night-killed? No way, funny coincidence!”

And yes, it might be Jesus Toast, but @Skizzz, when you wake up from your hangover, do you have a response to this?

I do have a response to this, however I really think that you are going to be dissapointed by it. This is my second game of mafia, and the first one did not have a silencer. I have never had the experience of being silenced before so I didn’t know how frustrating it actually is to have to watch the mafia pull shit like what they did on day 2 and not be able to help prevent it.

For SAD getting night killed. I know this is a game of deception, and I know that there is no way for me to prove to you that I’m telling the truth, but I really did write up that post during that night, and posted it from my friend’s phone at a pre-BSD party without looking at any of the posts in the thread. So what I’m saying is that it is a pretty horrible coincidence. Really though, If you think about it, why would I add that little bit if I was a mafia? It adds very little to the point that I am trying to make in that paragraph, and if I knew that SAD was going to die, why would I mention him. The only thing that it has done is make me look more suspicious, which I would be trying to avoid if I was mafia.

I do see how you think my post makes me look shady, but what do you think of my top 6 list in it? In particular what are your feeling on WAH, FD, and BK?

[DarkGeneral]

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That’s something that I didn’t concider DG but it sounds like a plausible scenario now that you mention it. The could also have mixed the groups up so there’s strong and weak players on either side of the argument or is that not as likely?

On another note I’d still like to know where you got the idea from that I was trying to “throw you under the bus” prior to tagging you earlier @Sovi3t‌ ?

*Absolutely, but that’s a distinction we can make when/if we cross that bridge. If he turns up as mafia we’ll have to make a decision on which side do we want to probe first and then go from there. I know which side I’m looking at when/if he turns up mafia. Do you? *

[The_Chief]

@DG I agree that the level has risen. I take NOTHING in these games at face value. Our conversations are documentations of evidence. So I look at everyone equally as scrutinizing.

I’ll gladly let mafia know what im doing and I challenge them to lynch me. I make sure that everything I do is out in the open so that when Im night killed, the lasts posts I made arent just fluff.

I want killing me to always be a risky move.

[The_Chief]

@Skizzz - I think we should lynch you next.

[Skizzz]

@Skizzz - I think we should lynch you next.

Thats fine with me if as long as you agree to let yourself get lynched when I turn up roleless civ

[Skizzz]

I’m completely open to being questioned, by the way. I have nothing to hide. @Bious‌ @Skizzz @DukeC‌

Especially Bious. You still haven’t answered my question, but that seems to be the general trend lately. Is your suspicion only a gut feeling? It’s understandable, seeing how many times I’ve been mafia. I’d be happier if I were, honestly. It’s hard to trust people as a roleless civ. I’m sure you understand, yes?

Forge, Who are your top 3 suspects right now aside from 3SL?

@DukeC‌ we get it dude. “3sl is rolehunting” lol. How many times must you reiterate your point. I guess your definition of rolehunting is looking for an essencially role-less civ that wouldn’t be a priority target for mafia, that could be semi-confirmed with a trail that was set up for us by his partner, and a voice that we could somewhat trust right now? Gohan is the only person I’ve mentioned by the way.

Oh and you guys that keep berating the game with accusations of “3sl’s not the real vigi blah blah.” “where’s the real vigi” “who’s the real vigi”…i guess we’re not going to count that as role-hunting huh? Give me a break, I’d be willing to put hold my Chief vote for today if anybody else can see how full of shit you are Duke.

@Skizzz, if you read this, it’d be nice to have some related quotes.

Uh, my brain might not be at 100% right now but what do you want related quotes to? I don’t know what you mean.

So I just got to SAD’s last gasp, and uh things are looking pretty bad for you now dood. When I said it would take something really big to make me not vote for LGP today, its something like SAD saying he was enforcer-ed last night, as well as role-hunting for this entire last night and today.

3rdStrikeLove’s POWERLEVEL IS LIKE PROBABLY NEGATIVE

*Long fucking night, long fucking day. Topped off with Mafia killing our UC in the last phase, AND our UC giving us absolutely no leads to work with. To say I’m tight is putting it mildly.

Lynch:ThirdStrikeLove. All your stupid bullshit ends here.

When I get the time i’ll pour over the lynches of day 1 and day 2 and reread what’s happened since I’ve been away. There’s no way I’m going to comprehend 250+ new replies to the best of my abilities in the mood I’m in.

@DukeC‌
@Skizzz‌

You two post a list of day 1 and day 2’s lynches in chronological order. Highlight the events that surrounded them. *

Do you still want this? I can go through and do this, but it will take a while.

[The_Chief]

@Skizzz - I think we should lynch you next.

Thats fine with me if as long as you agree to let yourself get lynched when I turn up roleless civ

If you turn up Medic or Vigi, I’d ask to be removed from the game.

Lynching Skizzz next phase.

Your mega post wheb you returned had numerous contradictions and inaccuracies. Your recent post claiming to catch up shows you really were out for a good while. How does mafia miraculously decide to silence someone who won’t be available…

…waste of a silence or cover up attempt. I wonder.

[Blindknagg]

*Absolutely, but that’s a distinction we can make when/if we cross that bridge. If he turns up as mafia we’ll have to make a decision on which side do we want to probe first and then go from there. I know which side I’m looking at when/if he turns up mafia. Do you? *

I haven’t been giving it much thought yet but I’ll have it in mind from now on.