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Another difference is the game actually ended (unless that was SRK Mafia I that they never finished)

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Huge incoming post…
My thoughts on the game………

First off, I want to say good game by all. There were a few mishaps starting out :rofl: Let me just say, it’s not easy doing these no matter how hard you try to make sure you have your ducks in a row. There was a mishap at the start of the game where somehow in the game thread I put down JasonC as a player – not realizing that JasonC was from the Hunger Game Willy just ran. DukeC was the person who really signed up, so somehow JasonC was in the mafia PM instead of DukeC. The game had already started at this point and Willy thought I somehow revealed who the mafia was to someone who was supposed to be a civ :rofl: HUUUUUUUGE MIXXXX UP. We were able to get that worked out luckily.

Let me say I think it’s interesting that you guys were able to figure out which roles were in the game as the game went along. It wasn’t too much my intent to leave you guys in the dark. Some people were PM’ing me about roles/abilities etc, and every time I wanted to respond, Willy would stop me lol. In a way I’m happy he did. I thought the most telling story of the game was the one done for Night 3 when Prince’s killing ability was made known. That was the only write up I did myself. If you go back and read it thoroughly, it gives A TON of hints about the game because all of the night actions were at play that night. The order of actions throughout the game were: (Medic)(Serial Killer)(Vigilante)(Mafia Kill)(Police). I tried to write the story up exactly in that order. Some of you caught on to the Vigi having a limited amount of stocks (one gained upon killing a mafia member) while I’m not sure why the rest of you thought there was a second Vigi lol. Since when have we ever played that game? I tried to give a hint about who the Vigi and Serial Killer were in that story. Purple suit, smaller musician? Maybe I should have wrote about the hair lol. But it was a dead giveaway that Suge was the Vigi. Black ’96 750 BMW? Rap fans, where y’all at? Google that one if you’re not familiar with it.

We were hoping in the game Suge shot Tupac :rofl: Yes, I did have Tupac as a vengeful citizen to fulfil that conspiracy. It ALMOST played out when Co-Jones role-claimed. I believe Vynce was thinking about shooting you and in the Loser’s Lounge Exodus said it was getting too real for him. Crazy.

It wasn’t my intent to have a game where mafia could have an easier time to win. I said more balanced. I thought with the sibling roles, they’d be forced in game to work together to help mafia pull out a win. It’s funny because DarkGeneral was totally with that mindset, while Combo_Knight didn’t want any part of it. I guess he figured he could slip under the radar, but it didn’t work. As I said earlier, technically there were eight of you. I don’t think we’ve had that many of you in any game to win with mafia. I’m surprised more of you didn’t catch the in game discussion regarding these roles. I know DarkGeneral tried getting Missing Person with chord structure, but I believe it was Combo_Knight who made a reference early in game to Dark General being Tiger Jackson that none of you picked up on. Very interesting play I thought would go somewhere but didn’t at all.

I’m happy to see Fuzz/Chief prove as Willy and I somewhat did (but not to the level they did) that two civs being able to talk via PM is a very powerful ability. I think had it not been for their roles serial killer may have picked you guys apart at the end game.

Sumzandude, I don’t think you set yourself up enough to win at the end. Granted the win conditions were very tough. Extremely tough might I add. I didn’t think it helped that when you were pressed into being lynched, why didn’t you play it cool like the others? You put up a fight for no reason, thus drawing more attention to yourself :rofl: I was hoping you played it cool but drew enough suspicion to bypass a night kill, thus if you were investigated, you’d come up as innocent and then continue killing. To those wondering, yes I did randomize the roles, but wanted to see if a wallflower would actually win in this role. I think you would have won had it not been for Fuzz/Chief working together. I don’t think you posted enough game content to help your cause and thus lead to your death.  Mafia was down your neck from Day 1 it seemed lol. You were very off all game, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you post “I’m not guilty” that much ever.

In any case the tier list:

S-TIER - Synonym, The Chief, RadicalFuzz -  Synonym’s reads were spot on. I don’t think anyone has any dispute on this. Fuzz and Chief did a great job of actually pushing people to post while really being able to spot out who was showing mafia-like behaviors. I think they even forged some disagreement thus throwing off their alliance.

A-TIER- Bious, Vynce, The Co-Jones, pietastic – Bious, you play completely different as a civ. Why don’t you do as well as mafia? You disappear when you’re mafia :rofl:  You had some pretty strong reads this game. Vynce did a good job not blowing his load too early, because he wanted to kill everyone he was profile stalking (just kidding). He did a decent job outside of killing the medic. Co-Jones. Wow. :rofl: Talk about hilarious. Mafia wanted to actually call your bluff. I don’t think anyone’s going to do that again anytime soon. Pietastic I respected your gameplay this time around – did you take notes on this game like you do the others?

B-TIER- Sovi3t, Missing Person, Dark General, Skizzz, Blindknagg, WTF-AKUMA-HAX, sumazndude, - Sovi3t, you did well despite wanting to play with an alt to not be killed lol. Missing Person, :lol: @ when you died, you lifted protection off yourself and got whacked lol. You did well to help the civs early on. DarkGeneral, clever play as I noted to earlier, you just made a bad read on Missing Person (doesn’t help that Combo_Knight didn’t help the cause). Skizzz/Blindknagg, solid game play as roleless civs. HAX, I’m not sure how they read you, because it seems no one is able to. Sumazndude, maybe next time :sad:
 
C-TIER- ForgeDigger, AlphaCommando,GodotsRevenge,Combo_Knight,Hecatom,Aidebit,Exodus, - Exodus/AlphaCommando if only you two were able to live slightly longer……Forge, you were a target early on I think by Chief, I have no idea how.
 
D-TIER – 3rdstrikelove, bloodymess, oerba,dukeC,Cyntalan. Oerba/Cyntalan, why don’t you guys post more? I guess it’s bad for me to be critical about it, but I can’t post on SRK during work lol. You guys led civs right to you. DukeC didn’t help the mafia’s cause either if I might say so myself.
 
 
YOUSUCKTIER- RECESSIONTIME – Don’t sign up anymore and quit because you didn’t get a role.

Civ MVPs- Synonym, Radical Fuzz, The Chief

Mafia MVPs- none

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I personally believe the GM is in the best shape to award these things, as he has watched the game from a neutral stance all game with full knowledge of what’s happening, so he can make more objective decisions.

I’m just wary because we have had disagreements on occasion with who should be what award in the game, or the tier lists, and I think to add points to such a thing would only cause them to be more frequent.

Plus some of my awards have been riffed with funny jokes I can make in the game.

Like, here’s hypotheticals. Let’s say, for instance, who did we give the Mafia MVP to in FGC? Fuzz? And he wasn’t mafia.

So what happens then? 2 points for overall MVP (SAD), 1 point for Civilian MVP (Aidebit), -1 point for Fuzz?

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That was SRK Mafia I : ) SRK Mafia II completed with a mafia win? I think? I know I was the bomber role and I died and took the vigi with me lol

Though oz I believe claimed that SRK Mafia goes back to before the forum crashes, but those games are lost to time.

One more difference was the Witness. In SRK Mafia 2, one person (GCL I believe) was given a name of all the mafia on day 1. If we had a role like that today, holy shit how lame would that be? Game would be over day 1.

But everything else was the same… siblings across mafia/civ that die when the other dies, no posting at night, roles being secret (except for the UC team and Nurse). I think one mafia rage quit and another person was made mafia mid game, but that wasn’t super clear in the last game… I think they had like 8 mafia in 25 people or something? lol such a crazy game back in the days, before I took over and tried to standardize some things. I guess a lot of how we play nowadays (posting at night, etc) is on me,

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Oh yeah, I never did properly thank The Co-Jones.

I can honestly say that I’m glad you gave me a way out that didn’t result in me being lynched. Better luck next time, Bious.

Spoiler

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I wanna give props to SAD again. He had the hardest job in this game by far, and he actually came pretty close. Until this last day phase, he held it together really well. I say B+/A- just for surviving so long. Man, you tend to get all the stressful roles too. Vigi, then Carpenter, then Serial Killer. Just can’t catch a break :lol:

This is wise. I think points and awards/tiers should remain separate. It’s common to have small disagreements on the exact placement of tiers, like how I said I thought SAD played better than B tier above. That’s fine, it generates some friendly discussion about the game, but if points are used as positive reinforcement for being classified as high tier then the post-game discussion will have a lot more “Well, I didn’t think I did that bad, see X & Y” etc.

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Also, I’ve got both Civilian and Mafia S-Tier within my first rotation of roles. Time to bust out The Gif

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@Kaz you forgot

Best Art MVP: AlphaCommando

Night Oz MVP: Orochizoolander

Best Roleclaim MVP: Blindknagg The Co-Jones

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I object!

(Seriously though, Co-Jones’s RC was awesome :tup:)

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I think civ MVP goes to Synonym… a roleless civ again? Is that even possible? I felt like Chief had reads just as good, but Synonym got people to act on them at least

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@Kaz when Fuzz popped out with his RC, I was just overwhelmed with what he was doing. My reaction blinded my judgement and I blew that thing WAY out of proportion. I didn’t know how I was going to play it out and then after a few exchanges, I realized that I had gone too far to pull myself out. I should’ve gone with a simple “Waht?” I guess it was the frustration of being on the spot again after WAH’s big case…

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It would be weird to configure points for Serial Killer because the first phase I could start killing was Night 3. I’m iffy on survival points

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Civilians gain points for moving towards their win condition.

Mafia gain points for moving towards their win condition.

Serial Killer should gain points for moving towards his win condition.

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Nope, It sure isn’t. Definitely not. Better give it to RadicalFuzz The Chief instead.

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Ok, so, Bloodymess is gonna flag me for trolling but I have a lingering question.

Why was I allowed to live?

I suspected that Mafia got a read on me as UC and just didn’t want my LG to spill the beans. I can’t tell that to the thread so I instead said something along the lines of “because I’m terrible at this”. lol

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@kaz: I kept very minimal notes this game. I actually started not keeping them at all, so I’d be forced to change my playstyle a lot.

I don’t know if I deserve A Tier. I deliberately went a little on the crazy side just to shake things up and not be predictable. I definitely was unpredictable, but I don’t know if I actually helped the civs or not.

Civs do well when they limit the mafia’s options. If civs pay attention, mafia can’t really push suspicion on the innocent or defend their brothers without becoming too suspicious. So, mafia have to pick situations where they bus each other, working towards the civs’ win conditions. If the UC is smart, once the mafia is “boxed in” like that, they have little hope. Mafia can expand their options by role hunting well, but they still have to be careful about their influence.

Knowing all of that, my playstyle this game was all about traps and accelerating wagons. The plan was to be the second or third person of every lynch wagon that had a decent chance of rolling. If I could do that, I might box the mafia in even more. If a wagon got started on one of them, they might panic. If a wagon got started on an innocent person, they might pile on. If I consistently was a “wagon accelerator”, once I died, you could easily go back to the voting records and see who followed my leads, on good calls and on bad.

The first trap was an obvious one, but still got some discussion going that was revealing. I’d never want to take the fun out of the game like that, but it was analytical enough that it would have been something somebody like me would say.

The MJ trap was disappointing. It was a bit of a nutso idea, and going into it, I was sure MJ was the last boy band member. And I was excited that it kind of worked. But then when it all went down, I lost my confidence that MJ was for sure a boy band guy.

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why oh why could I not get serial killer?

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If it wasn’t clear, my episode of getting into it with @Sovi3t was designed to keep the mafia off my back. The only unfortunate thing about that was that MP’s posts during it led me to believe he was mafia.

I was confident I’d be investigated sooner than later, so I wasn’t worried about a lynch.

I considered killing Sov, Chief, and RF at various points of the game. Having to really think my actions through was tough. I usually just get an initial instinct and see it through.

If I got my way to save SAD for my own kill and subsequent extra point, I was going to start a wagon on Skizzz (sorry.)

I wanted that point, though.

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…Granted, I got a point for the lynch, too.

Not as good.

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Oh yeah, @Bious. We’re square. I returned the favor from last game and we pulled the win on the same team again, finally.