Saitsu
1601
See another thing Vynce is that…it’s not even so much that you even slightly role claimed Mafia, which is stupid in of itself. You role claimed Vampire, which means no matter how much you were trolling or try to get out of it, we simply cannot afford to not follow it up because simply put, if you are Vampire we just ended one half of the game permanently. Hell, if Helsing doesn’t get to you, there’s no guarantee the Werewolfs don’t decide to forgo a Bite if they have their assassin still because for THEM, getting rid of Vamps is also a plus for their win condition.
You set yourself up to take a fall, no matter what else you were trying to do.
Vynce
1602
I underestimate no one that read that post in earnest. Azure even alluded to knowing it was- no, not sarcastic, but facetious.
Yes, if Bious reports anything but “Vynce is the Witch” then I acquiesce to being lynched.
Now we’re getting somewhere.
If you’re a monster leader, you can’t die at night anyway. So you wouldn’t agree to this strategy.
If you’re an initiate, you couldn’t have been promoted night 1. You’re buying yourself another night alive, but if Bious doesn’t confirm you, you’re dead. So you don’t really gain anything.
If you’re really the witch, you get confirmed and live. And you really should have been clearer about this whole mess, no offense.
Unfortunately, you must time is a lot to offer in this game, Vynce. If you’re Dracula like I think you might be, letting you live tonight would mean that one more vampire would would be promoted. Even if you aren’t Dracula, if you’re you’re a vampire that got promoted with the bite ability, you’re death would be much less of a disadvantage to the dwindling vampire team. And we wouldn’t even know it, would we? Sure they’d have to rebuild the skills and such, but their chances of success would be much higher if you were to die.
On the other hand, if you’re the witch/FT, giving you the night would prove your innocence, which would protect your counterpart from a bite. This would be extremely advantageous for the civs because the witch and FT are very important skills. If you we’re to die now, not only would we lose your ability, but we’d also risk your lover (ew) to turn.
The first scenario just seems too perfect. But, it’s ultimately Helsing’s choice.
However if he is the monster leader, he has a day to Promote the other vampire.
Vynce
1606
I didn’t like the idea of having to RC to survive. I could have asked VH and the Doc to play nice all I wanted. No guarantees, then or now. At least I made having to RC something by my own design.
The only caveat? I’m still not safe.
Not really, not at night.
Promote is a major monster action which occurs at night.
Dracula is immune to Assassinate.
OZ- You’re misinterpreting my intention regarding how I’m voting. I generally prefer to think fire myself. Let’s work seeing eye to eye.
Very true, but none of us are except Azure and Bious (basically).
Fine. Night. Doesn’t change my point.
Sure it does. If he’s Dracula and promotes somebody, there’s almost nothing we can do about it. A VH bolt would just bounce off.
I have an idea.
If Vynce really is the Witch, then he should target Bious to prove that he is what he says he is.
If Vynce isn’t the Witch, then the real Witch should target Vynce and redirect to Bious. If Vynce is Dracula, Bious can’t be promoted since he’s no vampire. If Vynce is the Converter, Bious is immune to a Bite since his lover is still alive. If Vynce is the Assassin, Bious can’t be killed because he has protection from the Soldier.
After the night phase is over, Bious will tell us if Vynce is the real Witch or not.
Thoughts?
If that’s the case and he is Dracula, then there’s no way to kill him at night anyway. 
If he’s an initiate, then he’ll be given an ability tonight. No vampire abilities are activated during the day.
However, what are the chances that he’s actually a werewolf?
Yes. That’s the plan, plus some advice for the real witch that would also block a promotion. I like it.
This does depend on the soldier doing the right thing, though. Hmm.
Wait. Vynce can’t be the assassin. Plan will work even if soldier fucks up. God damn I’m sleepy. Good night.
Gah, yeah. He can’t be Converter either.
So this would work as long as the Soldier and Witch (if it’s not Vynce) are paying attention. There are only two hours left guys. Or you can just kill him, lol.
Depends on the soldier even being here and having not sent in an action yet, with only 2 hours to go.
/post in the manner of another player
Are roled players waiting out to the last second like these lynch votes? Probably not with a protection role like that - that usually isn’t influenced by grandstanding and the game thread mixup posts in the night phase. Mayor seems greedy enough with his own role, not going that far but since this is one that either directly helps somebody or doesn’t, with the intent to help (man getting confused with thinking here, they just help themselves too by protecting themselves? I never had to think about that and ask it until stuff like this comes up in the game)
Right by intending to help for the greater good anyway, they probably had their own choices and could’ve sat out the whole night phase, coming back later to regroup upon the results. Not even reading to even be halfway swayed by the night’s events in public chats here.
I mean just the Witch. Jesus. No Soldier needed.
