SRK Mafia XI: Vampires Vs Werewolves - Game Over: Town Wins!

pietastic · 2013-11-26T01:10:14.000Z

On shapeshift, jail the mayor? Therefore the shapeshifter will get caught?

The_Chief · 2013-11-26T01:13:37.000Z

I’m the not letting the mafia guide me or the thread in the direction they want.

Pimp_Willy · 2013-11-26T01:20:59.000Z

pietastic:

On shapeshift, jail the mayor? Therefore the shapeshifter will get caught?

This is my bad, because I see the shapeshifter has the wording “Target one person” in its ability, but since it doesn’t directly interact with that person, it was never intended to be blocked by abilities that prevent or change targeting (town hall, jail, witch). I have revised the wording in the latest patch to the rules

pietastic · 2013-11-26T01:26:32.000Z

Pimp_Willy:

pietastic:

On shapeshift, jail the mayor? Therefore the shapeshifter will get caught?

This is my bad, because I see the shapeshifter has the wording “Target one person” in its ability, but since it doesn’t directly interact with that person, it was never intended to be blocked by abilities that prevent or change targeting (town hall, jail, witch). I have revised the wording in the latest patch to the rules

Uh oh…

The_Chief · 2013-11-26T01:27:23.000Z

The_Chief:

I’m the not letting the mafia guide me or the thread in the direction they want.

This was in response to CK.

Combo_Knight · 2013-11-26T01:49:34.000Z

The_Chief:

The_Chief:

I’m the not letting the mafia guide me or the thread in the direction they want.

This was in response to CK.

I understood what you meant.

Azure · 2013-11-26T01:51:56.000Z

Pimp_Willy:

pietastic:

On shapeshift, jail the mayor? Therefore the shapeshifter will get caught?

This is my bad, because I see the shapeshifter has the wording “Target one person” in its ability, but since it doesn’t directly interact with that person, it was never intended to be blocked by abilities that prevent or change targeting (town hall, jail, witch). I have revised the wording in the latest patch to the rules

Still if they are not in the Town Hall, then they can’t shift into someone who is, correct?

I mean, I guess they could, but all I’d have to do is tell who I put inside the walls with me (I’ll be there every time), and we’ve neutered it.

Hecatom · 2013-11-26T01:55:41.000Z

Well, i am finally back to El Salvador, sadly the candidate that i supported lose
My country is doomed economically speaking :shake:

BullDancer:

Well since I’ve been caught with my pants down and because fuck the vampires, I must clarify some stuff because we’ve definitely lost:

DarkGeneral is not only Lucian but has the bite ability(if you want to test this, lynch him)

He’s been 100% playing yall, the doctor was completely incapable of curing him to begin, he hasn’t been masterless and he was promoted with the bite ability

Getting yall to waste an action was the objective of promoting him to Lucian

We were hoping that you guys would assassinate him and try to cure him, but it back fired hard.

If you don’t believe me, test it

And that’s all I’ll leave you with, DG was on last night but hasn’t even popped this forum open since like 12 hours ago, and I’m out.

Pretty much what i thought that was happening

pietastic:

The_Chief:

Focus needs to be on mafia numbers. Our next move depends solely on that.

Lynch DG
VH shoot BD

Move onti next day phase. Simple right?

What if BD was lying and he’s Lucian?

I think that at this point we need to lynch both of them, lynch BD today and keep locked in jail DG to lynch him later if BD is not Lucian or get VH to kill him in the night phase.
In the case that BD is lying and he is indeed Lucian i think that we can try to cure DG and we wouldn’t need to kill him, at least is what i think.

Combo_Knight · 2013-11-26T01:58:10.000Z

Combo_Knight:

The_Chief:

The_Chief:

I’m the not letting the mafia guide me or the thread in the direction they want.

This was in response to CK.

I understood what you meant.

I can say you are throwing me for a loop though

Normally when we have the game locked down to a science you are like all in ready to clutch a title victory.

To see you so passive and pessimistic on this S-O-P

Makes me question the civs safety.

You think that we are playing in someones hands? Like for real what’s this chaos theory you have going on?

pietastic · 2013-11-26T01:58:56.000Z

Azure:

Pimp_Willy:

pietastic:

On shapeshift, jail the mayor? Therefore the shapeshifter will get caught?

This is my bad, because I see the shapeshifter has the wording “Target one person” in its ability, but since it doesn’t directly interact with that person, it was never intended to be blocked by abilities that prevent or change targeting (town hall, jail, witch). I have revised the wording in the latest patch to the rules

Still if they are not in the Town Hall, then they can’t shift into someone who is, correct?

I mean, I guess they could, but all I’d have to do is tell who I put inside the walls with me (I’ll be there every time), and we’ve neutered it.

Well, sort of. You yell out who you’d like to put in TH, and if the actual result is any different, VH shoots you at night. Shapeshifter gets killed in your place. But, they get one night of targeting the normal TH protectees for free. MP could be bitten. You could be bitten. People could get assassinated. Mixups abound.

And, for us to even get a guaranteed dead vamp out of it, VH needs to remain alive so he can assassinate.

Pimp_Willy · 2013-11-26T01:59:11.000Z

Azure:

Pimp_Willy:

pietastic:

On shapeshift, jail the mayor? Therefore the shapeshifter will get caught?

This is my bad, because I see the shapeshifter has the wording “Target one person” in its ability, but since it doesn’t directly interact with that person, it was never intended to be blocked by abilities that prevent or change targeting (town hall, jail, witch). I have revised the wording in the latest patch to the rules

Still if they are not in the Town Hall, then they can’t shift into someone who is, correct?

I mean, I guess they could, but all I’d have to do is tell who I put inside the walls with me (I’ll be there every time), and we’ve neutered it.

This is basically how it would work on a timeline

Night 1
Mayor, Player X, Player Y inside town hall at night
Vampire A outside townhall with shapeshifter.
Vampire A Shapeshifts into Player X.
Night 1 ends
Day 1
Vampire A is now considered Player X, ans anything targeting player X targets Vampire A instead (abilities, lynches, investigations, etc)
Mayor places Player X, Y, and himself in town hall. Vampire A is now inside of town hall disguised as Player X.
Night 2
Vampire A opens up anybody in town hall as a valid target for any vampire abilities
Night 2 Ends
Vampire A is no longer considered Player X going into the next day phase

Saitsu · 2013-11-26T02:02:33.000Z

Okay then PW, in that scenario, would Player X know he was replaced?

Hecatom · 2013-11-26T02:04:19.000Z

RadicalFuzz:

pietastic:

Not necessarily, even. I think the right play is to lynch BD and keep DG in jail, and give the doctor one last chance to redeem himself. If DG isn’t cured, either the doc is an idiot or DG is Lucian. Or both. In that case, we lynch DG tomorrow.

You do realize that, regardless of which is Lucian, the Cure will fail right? If BD is Lucian he passes it onto DG before death, and DG is now immune to Cure. I’m assuming that Cure immunity is passed along with the title, because Lucian by default is a starting monster and is immune.

I actually forgot about this, this means that DG is fucked, even if he told the truth he can’t be saved

Pimp_Willy · 2013-11-26T02:05:33.000Z

Saitsu:

Okay then PW, in that scenario, would Player X know he was replaced?

No they are not told they are replaced (they’re technically both considered inside town hall, but since Player X can’t actually be targeted, I’m not sure if it matters)

BullDancer · 2013-11-26T02:12:35.000Z

I’m telling you that you should try to cure a vampire, if you use the doctor role on DG then yall are absolutely wasting your time.

If yall leave us werewolves alive, I have a proposition…

Offer us an non-role civillian, we’ll bite him one night, and promote him to bodyguard or assassin(depending on what role you want) another. You guys will know who this person is.

We’ve already been neutralized, so just use us to kill off another faction. If its Vampires versus Werewolves versus humans, I’d rather not come in 3rd place.

BullDancer · 2013-11-26T02:16:11.000Z

Your doctor has obviously betrayed yall so at least get some extra roles that work on behalf of the civs.

BullDancer · 2013-11-26T02:19:21.000Z

For this to work however, yall must lynch DarkGeneral.

I did tell one lie: I’m a biter, he’s not.

I have to become Lucian so I’m a biter that is immune to assassination.

Saitsu · 2013-11-26T02:23:25.000Z

Ugh, right now it only feels like the Humans are just another pawn in the stupid ass Vamps vs Werewolves shit.

Augustus · 2013-11-26T02:43:41.000Z

Uh… lol. Let’s not listen to Bulldancer.

Hecatom:

Well, i am finally back to El Salvador, sadly the candidate that i supported lose
My country is doomed economically speaking :shake:

Hey, Hecatom. I was wondering when you’d show up. Though I don’t know if I should point the finger your way and antagonise you right now. So that leaves I-only-have-like-eight-posts-in-this-thread NinetiesArcade. Are we going to let this guy do a ForgeDigger if he turns out Mafia?

Augustus · 2013-11-26T02:55:21.000Z

pietastic:

Well, sort of. You yell out who you’d like to put in TH, and if the actual result is any different, VH shoots you at night. Shapeshifter gets killed in your place. But, they get one night of targeting the normal TH protectees for free. MP could be bitten. You could be bitten. People could get assassinated. Mixups abound.

Wouldn’t this require Van Helsing to be inside Town Hall too? He’d have to roleclaim for that to happen.