Srk mafia game viii: phoenix wright - judge, jury, and executioner [ finished ]

[Hecatom]

SoVi3t, your play is concerning me right now. For someone who claims to have such an important part to play in this game, you have said that you are okay with dying, leaving us civs at a disadvantage. Assuming you’re UC like you’ve told us, you dying means that mafia stops getting investigation results, and you can safely publish yours via your Last Gasp, though you can’t investigate anyone else further to confirm if you’re the Dumbass or not.
And sikwidit, you forget: Kaz and SoVi3t argue in almost every game. Their history is motive enough for SoVi3t to investigate him. However, in this game they haven’t argued, or even addressed each other at all. If we’re to believe SoVi3t’s roleclaim, it is possible that he planned to investigate kaz the first night and avoid talking with him. Another likely reason is they both have reasons that they cannot be online as often as they used to: kaz having work and SoVi3t having internet issues.

And now SoVi3t is claiming that he investigated Hecatom and he turned up guilty. This would mean he opted not to investigate kaz, perhaps because of likely medic protection/other UC. One thing that bugs me though is that last game, you role claimed Spidey (UC in that game) right before you got lynched and it almost worked. You pointed out that if you had claimed earlier it would’ve worked. Next game, you claim UC in your first post. Pardon me if I’m suspicious.

I totally agree with this, this kind of behavior seems quite suspicious imo, specially after the way he played the last game

lol some of you guys are the fucking dumbest people I have ever had the misfortune of playing against.

what is this sudden interest in my opinion?

Because you were my first investigation, and you turned up guilty

SSR, GCL, Exodus., The Co-Jones, Doof, Cyntalan, Killafox, Godots

QUOTED FOR FUTURE REFERENCE

Man, you are a dumbass

[Hecatom]

also Hecatom, you’ve been mighty quiet since I mentioned you turning up guilty after I investigated you.

I was sleeping, take in consideration that i live in central america

[kaz]

Unless the Uc investigates someone who actually is mafia in my opinion it doesnt matter much what results they mafia get from the investigations. Mafia isn’t going to be careless about their actions anyway.

Let’s say we kill soviet and he is a Uc. Yes there is one uc left who knows his investigations are right on, but how can he reveal those to everyone without being killed so early on? IMO he becomes useless until much later which by then might be too late. To be honest the way this game is going I’m worried. Its too many people operating on their own and if the other uc doesn’t come out and spell it for us then what?

I guess I’m fine either way but if soviet is a regular civ like I think then we’re screwed.

[pietastic]

Just got caught up and read the last game in more detail… yeah, I won’t lock in a vote yet, but Sovi3t’s death is the right answer here. We only need one UC alive, and we have to take the potential for sacrifice out of the equation.

Based on last game, I don’t actually believe Sovi3t’s a UC anyway. Anyone who has role-claimed UC is suspicious in my eyes.

[Hecatom]

I think you are starting to convince me but I still have a lot of doubt. If you what you say is true then it’s best to keep our civ roles alive. I’m going to change my vote to no lynch and CHANGE IT LATER. please don’t think i’m advocating no lynch

Is there any way for us to prove what he says is real? Should we lynch Hecatom to see if he is what Soviet said he is?

Unlynch Sovi3t
Lynch: No lynch

The only thing that i can say in my favor to not lynching me, is that i am a role less civ.

Right now while i have suspicions of Sovi3t and his fishy role claim (speciall after the way he played on the previous thread)
What fuzz say:

I think I just caught something. SoVi3t, thank you for being a Dumbass. For this theory, let’s assume that SoVi3t is telling the truth, and is the dUC, so the mafia get his investigation results no matter which option they picked.

-Mafia are told at night that dUC has investigated Hecatom, and the result is Guilty
-Mafia member becomes openly suspicious of Hecatom in the thread
-dUC, SoVi3t, sees this and role claims, believing that he is the Elite UC
This is where the possibilities split:

A) Hecatom is lynched, being innocent, SoVi3t realizes he is dUC, and we lose a civ
B) SoVi3t is lynched, being innocent, suspicion is cast on Hecatom, and we lose at least one civ

Now, it is entirely possible that SoVi3t is lying, I still don’t believe him, but I’m curious as to why great cow lord started calling out Hecatom out of thin air, before SoVi3t came in with the Guilty investigation result. One possibility is that GCL is mafia, and enacted the above plan to cast suspicion onto Hecatom and the dUC all while remaining relatively clean himself, since his suspicion was baseless to begin with. Any thoughts?

Is very logic.
I already said on the thread that GCL, so if he is indeed mafia, he coming asking me why do i think about him after getting the investigation results from sovi3t (if he is telling the truth and he is the dumbass) sounds like a good plan to try to get rid of one of the 2, since it bring a reasonable doubt on any of us, plus it puts our focus on 2 civs.

I am not convinced that sovi3t is who he say he is, but GCL behavior has been very suspicious to me since day 1, and this whole shit makes him more suspicious imo so

Great Cow Lord is Guilty

[pietastic]

@kaz

I have no problem with getting UC information late in the game. If we reach a point where we are worried, we can ask that UC to offer themselves up. So long as we keep lynching and not making stupid decisions (like role-claiming to save our asses or other slipups), we’ll be making progress.

[sikwidit]

@kaz

I have no problem with getting UC information late in the game. If we reach a point where we are worried, we can ask that UC to offer themselves up. So long as we keep lynching and not making stupid decisions (like role-claiming to save our asses or other slipups), we’ll be making progress.

this is exactly what i said to doof a few posts earlier.

kaz you are underestimating the damge the mafia can do if they have a list of the investigated.

also if soviet is roleless he just hurt his team way more than any mafia could do. soviet is not that dumb of a player.

hecatom i also have suspicions on gcl but we really need to avoid missing this chance. if it gets too close will you change your vote?

[RadicalFuzz]

kaz, that’s why we’re so adamant about lynching SoVi3t, it’s the only way to get his true identity. If it goes to night phase and he dies, suddenly the other UC (or UCs if he’s mafia) have to doubt everything he said and, while we might’ve gotten a mafia, we can’t believe anything he says. If SoVi3t’s a regular civ then he misplayed about as badly as you can misplay. I think that’s the least likely possibility.

And Hecatom, I agree that GCL is likely mafia, but Soviet’s death needs to happen first. We can go after GCL tomorrow. If Soviet actually IS a UC, that gives the Vigilante a kill stock. In that case, I think Vigi has quite a few targets to pick from tonight if Soviet is UC, though I’m not going to post a list to avoid letting the mafia be able to No Kill.

[sikwidit]

Guys i am going to have to sleep soon for at least a few hours. please think about your votes.

those of you voting for bious i am not saying that he is not guilty but you guys really need to think about the information we gain if soviet is gone today. all of this is lingering from crotchs death.

this is in no way a bandwagon like the first days lynch, we are going off of solid information now that we can use to get much more information. this will put us ahead quite a bit, so just please think about your votes and what we could gain from it.

[NinetiesArcade]

Mornin’ niggars. Looks like there are some deviation on voting since last night but majority vote still with Soviet. Locking in my vote.
**
Sovi3t is guilty.**

[GodotsRevenge]

Lets all compromise and say everybody is a UC until proven otherwise.

[great_cow_lord]

I think you are starting to convince me but I still have a lot of doubt. If you what you say is true then it’s best to keep our civ roles alive. I’m going to change my vote to no lynch and CHANGE IT LATER. please don’t think i’m advocating no lynch

Is there any way for us to prove what he says is real? Should we lynch Hecatom to see if he is what Soviet said he is?

Unlynch Sovi3t
Lynch: No lynch

The only thing that i can say in my favor to not lynching me, is that i am a role less civ.

Right now while i have suspicions of Sovi3t and his fishy role claim (speciall after the way he played on the previous thread)
What fuzz say:

I think I just caught something. SoVi3t, thank you for being a Dumbass. For this theory, let’s assume that SoVi3t is telling the truth, and is the dUC, so the mafia get his investigation results no matter which option they picked.

-Mafia are told at night that dUC has investigated Hecatom, and the result is Guilty
-Mafia member becomes openly suspicious of Hecatom in the thread
-dUC, SoVi3t, sees this and role claims, believing that he is the Elite UC
This is where the possibilities split:

A) Hecatom is lynched, being innocent, SoVi3t realizes he is dUC, and we lose a civ
B) SoVi3t is lynched, being innocent, suspicion is cast on Hecatom, and we lose at least one civ

Now, it is entirely possible that SoVi3t is lying, I still don’t believe him, but I’m curious as to why great cow lord started calling out Hecatom out of thin air, before SoVi3t came in with the Guilty investigation result. One possibility is that GCL is mafia, and enacted the above plan to cast suspicion onto Hecatom and the dUC all while remaining relatively clean himself, since his suspicion was baseless to begin with. Any thoughts?

Is very logic.
I already said on the thread that GCL, so if he is indeed mafia, he coming asking me why do i think about him after getting the investigation results from sovi3t (if he is telling the truth and he is the dumbass) sounds like a good plan to try to get rid of one of the 2, since it bring a reasonable doubt on any of us, plus it puts our focus on 2 civs.

I am not convinced that sovi3t is who he say he is, but GCL behavior has been very suspicious to me since day 1, and this whole shit makes him more suspicious imo so

Great Cow Lord is Guilty

wait, what? you say the reason why we shouldn’t lynch you is because you’re a role less civilian. ha! dude, most of us are role less civilians. it’s kinda hypocritely of you to put your vote on me, don’t you agree? are you just throwing your vote away?

is it wrong to get people to talk? this game wouldn’t go no where if we didn’t communicate with each other. but I guess I’ll just sit back and let these top dogs bark around while everyone bandwagon on votes.
I won’t be voting this round. quite frankly I think I’m done posting for this round.
**no lynch **

some things just go over people’s head. sad

[The_Chief]

The issue is SoVi3t forced our hand with his role claim. Right now we don’t know if he is UC or Mafia. Either way, the risk of keeping him alive is far greater than lynching him.

If he lives and he’s Mafia, the Mafia has a great opportunity to Sacrifice him as UC to throw us off for the foreseeable duration of the game. We wouldn’t know if a sacrifice was used nor would we know SoVi3t’s true allegiance.

If he lives and he’s UC, he now has a bullseye on his back. The Mafia will probably go after him but I would expect some sort of Mafia role shenanigans that would take us forever to figure out.

If we vote to lynch him…

If he turns out to be Mafia, we snag a Mafia member and we know both our UCs remain alive. We lose the opportunity for our UC’s find out which UC they are but in hind sight, it would’ve been a false opportunity to begin with.

If he turns out to be UC, we know his investigation is legit regardless of its result. Neither side will be able to utilize his special skill bonuses efficiently due to his need to be protected (if he’s deemed worth protecting considering the reveal) so Mafia would lose the investigation target(s) regardless. Upon his death I believe our Vigi gets a kill stock too.

So in my opinion, regardless of his allegiance, if he is to be lynched it has to be before night time.

PROS to Lynching Day 2:

• (If he’s Civ) We gain a means for our UC’s to confirm their intelligence.
• (If he’s Civ) Our Vigi gains a kill stock.
• (If he’s Civ) Mafia no longer receives investigation targets.
• (If he’s Mafia) We snag another Mafia member.
• (If he’s Mafia) We know our UC’s are fine.
• (If he’s Mafia) We have new suspects for Mafia.
• (If he’s Mafia) Mafia loses an opportunity to try to confuse us with a Sacrifice setup.
• SoVi3t’s allegiance is confirmed via lynch.

CONS to Lynching Day 2:

• (If he’s Civ) We lose a UC.

PROS to NOT Lynching Day 2:

• (If he’s Civ) SoVi3t gets a chance to confirm his claims if he’s telling the truth about his allegiance.

CONS to NOT Lynching Day 2:

• SoVi3t’s allegiance is unconfirmed. - (If he’s Mafia) Mafia gains an opportunity to utilize sacrifice for Mafia shenanigans.
• We lose all PRO’s.

My opinion on his allegiance is irrelevant. His roll claim put us in this position. My vote stands unchanged.

[Vynce]

Okay. Sovi3t and Bious argue. I’m going to operate under the assumption that at least one of them is mafia. Sov says to let him live one more day, and urges the medic to protect him. If we did that, Bious would be the logical person to lynch, as it would allow us to cover all bases.

…And Sov knows that. My inclination is to vote for Bious. HOWEVER, there is plenty compelling reason to lynch Sov, and I’m not going to move in such a way as to possibly yield a tie vote.

So, Sovi3t is GUILTY

[Vynce]

Also, I am still operating under the assumption that kaz is a Marvel.

[pietastic]

Gonna lock it in. Sovi3t is GUILTY.

[DaRabidDuckie]

I’m also a detective.

I investigate vaginas.

[RadicalFuzz]

I don’t like to admit it, but it would be extremely difficult for two mafia to coordinate the entire PM situation because of the risk of moderator action. That’s not taking into account individual player concerns either, like fear of getting banned from future mafia games.
This raises an interesting point. Let’s assume kaz is civ, and that someone in the mafia PM told crotch to send kaz a PM with the hopes of making a big deal out of it like last game. That would mean that at least one person in the mafia is very aware of the PM scandal last game and was hoping to recreate it in this one. That’s not a surprise, since about 80% of this game played the last one, but just something to keep in mind, as they might try some mafia tactics from previous games like posting progressively more the farther along they lasted.

[RadicalFuzz]

I’m also a detective.

I investigate vaginas.

It is completely appropriate to assign you to Wesley Stickler.

[NoodleHead]

Lynch Tally

SoVi3t [15] - Bious, sikwidit, WTF-AKUMA-HAX, GodotsRevenge, TheChief, DaRabidDuckie, Cyntalan, RadicalFuzz, Immaculate, Pimp Willy, Saitsu, SSRagna, NinetiesArcade, Vynce, pietastic

Bious [4] - BullDancer, SoVi3t, Missing Person, kaz

great cow lord [1] - Hecatom

No Lynch [1] - great cow lord

Not yet voted [6]

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