Viper has a fast invulnerable hyper and Ice Storm hits 1 frame afterward, it lets you do something like
Confirm a 623C hits, dash and do 2 more, cancel emergency combination, DHC hail for the kill on a lot of common assists. Viper/Storm has insane assist kill ability and whirlwind is really good for Viper as long as you can plink dash properly with her to get seismos off of it and re-establish ranged pressure.
I think this is a good team but I would start Viper instead of Nova I feel that she gets more from Nova Centurion Rush assist, Seismo to Centurion Rush get a ground bounce and combo off that maybe set it up to staircase and you might be able to set an unblockable example M H Thunderknuckle M S(feint) call nova L I think. As Nova and Ammy checkout Moons on Team Spooky stream for help for them two
Is Tatsu good with Viper? Don’t see many Viper … Akuma players around
You’re going to have to really have your ground and air movement down to get a lot from it. Especially plink dashing on the ground. Otherwise it becomes tough to hit confirm off of.
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Is Marlinpie’s Vanilla team still viable in this or am I wasting my time?
Mag has TAC infinites so it’s more viable now. Rayray was figuring out some relaunch stuff for her combos with disruptah assist although you don’t really need it if you just learn the stairkick loop stuff in the abare thread. I’m going to edit it with different starters because her bnbs starters vary a lot if the opponent is crouching.
You’re gonna have trouble fighting Trish, Zero all those air based characters without a vertical assist but yeah its plenty viable.
So, new Viper here, I’ve been wanting to try her for the longest time, but her execution level always put me off, its probably gonna take me months before I can really do much with her, but I’d like to get started, so to begin with I was trying to figure out a team, which kinda spills over from my character crisis with my Nova team, but the ones I was considering were:<br><br>Viper/Iron Man/Doom<br>Viper/Akuma/Doom<br>Viper/Magneto/Doom<br><br>So on that note, how good are Repulsor, Tatsu and Missiles for her unblockable on incoming? Magneto seems like the obvious better choice, is he? In general what would be a better team for her and why? Any help is appreciated.<br>
I am trying to figure out the wolverine with plasma beam match up with viper. Wolverine seems ok to fight on with own or with nearly anyother assist(drones included). But with plasma beam he seems to shut down my entire style.
For reference i play viper dante strider
Some ideas i have been playing around with are focus attack to stop the left rights and maybe using h tk to aa him and cover it by using jam session.
Any ideas or help would be apprecitated.
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<div class=“QuoteAuthor”><a href="/profile/24738/Osbjorn">Osbjorn</a> said:</div>
<div class=“QuoteText”>I am trying to figure out the wolverine with plasma beam match up with viper. Wolverine seems ok to fight on with own or with nearly anyother assist(drones included). But with plasma beam he seems to shut down my entire style.
For reference i play viper dante strider
Some ideas i have been playing around with are focus attack to stop the left rights and maybe using h tk to aa him and cover it by using jam session.
Any ideas or help would be apprecitated.</div>
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<br><div>Yeah Wolveirne is one of those characters that forces you to use your theory tools to get around. He moves too fast for typical tournament Viper stuff to be reliable against him (seismo, jump, air dash, seismo, jump air dash, maybe ex thunder knuckle). Wolverine basically tears through that shit because he just moves faster than you can use that to cover yourself.</div><div><br></div><div>Best thing to have is another projectile assist like disruptor that can shut out the start up of his assist while holding focus and sitting on h thunder knuckle or dash in c.L or dash in jump ADD etc. </div><div><br></div><div>H thunder knuckle with focus is important also because if you time it right the H thunder knuckle is a medium durability projectile. Which means you can sometimes hit Wolverine while beating the durability/shutting off the hit box for the plasma beam.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>That’s one of the reasons I’m thinking of picking up K Beast’s team (Viper/Mag/Dante) because disruptor covers that lower to the ground horizontal space that Viper has trouble covering on her own without seismo FADC’s or focus. Which means when you’re not twitching on the stick to try to cover that area of the screen you can have a fast beam cover it for you also.</div>
Thanks dj. I might have to pick up kbeast’s team too.
I really hate not being able to siesmo.
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<div class=“QuoteAuthor”><a href="/profile/61865/PurpleRain">PurpleRain</a> said:</div>
<div class=“QuoteText”>Is Tatsu good with Viper? Don’t see many Viper … Akuma players around</div>
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I main Viper(BK)/Doom(Plasma)/Akuma(Tatsu), I spent months trying out different team variations and in then end this was what I was most comfortable with. To each their own, I guess.
So I’ve been running Viper/Dante for a while now but I’m having a real tough time settling for a third character, I straight up don’t want to play Strider so that’s out of the question. After watching his most recent efforts I’m thinking of playing kbeast’s team because disruptor is a godsend for Viper and even if she dies you still have all that ridiculous Mag/Dante synergy.
However, what do you guys think of running Hawkeye with triple arrows for anchor? Would you say arrows are as good as disruptor for Viper’s neutral? How’s the synergy between Dante and Hawkeye? I don’t worry too much about combo extensions because it’s not like you can get anything out of the ordinary with disruptor either.
Once you learn stairkick loop Viper doesnt’ really need combo extension assists any way. You just do your really high damage combo with some assist at the end, TAC infinite or reset if you’re in a situation where your combo will scale. I actually would probably prefer Hawkeye’s arrows for neutral over disruptor (better lockdown for Viper and better projectile durability), but disruptor comes with Magneto.
I’m guessing you’re talking about running Dante second with Hawkeye anchor? Yeah they synergy is pretty good, but you’re going to have to play pretty reset heavy after Viper dies between Dante and Hawkeye. Hawkeye’s DHC’s are extremely weak and the best they do for you in the neutral is just push the opponent away a bit for Hawkeye to spam stuff. Long as you’re ok with having to take risks or use XF to kill people off after Viper dies, you can make it work.
The team I’m using now (Chrisis’ team Viper/Morrigan/Dante) works like a better version of Viper/Dante/Hawkeye. If Viper dies, Morrigan is the best character in the game at killing people in the neutral without killing them in one combo. Once she gets the screen flooded with an assist like jam session it’s really easy to solidly hit the opponent again or chip them out even if you don’t kill them in your first combo. Especially since AV keeps them from calling their assists reliably and Morrigan in the second spot will more reliably give you access to a lot of AV meter. Morrigan/Dante is also really strong against most XF games so it keeps you out of trouble in a lot of ways also. Also have corner TAC infinites with Morrigan also. Plus the best part of the team is harvesting meter in the neutral with dark harmonizer assist so you have constant access to EX seismo and thunder knuckle. Making you impervious to most attacks and projectile games.
I personally would prefer you just stick with KBeast’s team or learn Chrisis’ team since Magneto/Dante and Morrigan/Dante have better synergy and more ways to kill both ways. If you just like Hawkeye that much you can make it work, but your team just won’t be as cheap.
Hey, Im trying to decide between a couple options for a Viper team, so I was wondering if I could get some opinions on which would be a more optimized team.
Right now Im looking at either:
Viper/Dormammu/Magneto
or
Viper/Iron Man/Strider
Alternatively I was also interested in running her with Trish, either on point or second, but I couldnt find a proper anchor for that team, closest I could come up with was Trish/Viper/Strider, but I wasnt too happy about it, so if anyone has a better suggestion for the Viper/Trish shell I would welcome it.
Lastly, as far as characters outside of the ones I already mentioned go Im already running the Spardas and Doom on other teams, and Id prefer not to slap them on every single team, but if they are the only option or there is too much difference between them and the second best option Id be open to using one of them with Viper as well. And as for Ammy, I just dont like using her so unlike the other three she is definitely out of the equation. Anyways if anyone can help or offer some insight on the intricacies of optimized Viper teams Id really appreciate it.
Viper/Dorm/Magneto is a better team but Viper is stronger if you use Iron Man/Strider. Basically preference on if you prefer a team that has a stronger shell if Viper dies or a team that’s strong for Viper but a bit fair if Viper dies (other than Strider landing safely). Iron Man/Vajra isnt really super good or nothing but you can make it work and wait for Strider to fall if that happens.
Hmm, I see, I actually hadnt thought about the rest of them on their own and was just focusing on what made a better support for Viper, thanks man. With that in mind I think I think Ill go with Viper/Dormy/Magnus then.
As an afterthought, how does it compare to the Viper/Vergil/Strider team?
Viper/Vergil/Strider is better by a considerable amount for Viper and as a team in general. Neither dark hole or disruptor are optimal assists for Viper really. Its just they work well enough and you get Dorm/Mag if Dorm falls safely. The only real issue with Viper/Vergil/Strider is you don’t get any quick start up assist to help Viper’s neutral when she’s forced to use a normal or focus. Lack of meter assist or TAC infinite means there’s no way to give Viper a meter surplus which is important to making Viper her cheapest end game and fight some specific matchups with less trouble.
Though Vergil or Strider falling with XF usually makes up for that. More so Vergil falling.
So in your opinion what would be the best/most optimized Viper teams currently? From what youve said Im thinking something along the lines of:
Marlinpie’s: Viper/Doom/Ammy (horizontal assist, lockdown assist, tac infinite, thc, fast starting assist)
Drew Grimey’s: Viper/Vergil/Strider (two best anchors in the game, vajra, sword loops)
Kbeast’s: Viper/Magneto/Dante (vertical coverage, horizontal coverage, fast starting assists, tac infinite)
Chrisis’: Viper/Morrigan/Dante (meter assist, vertical coverage, tac infinite, fast starting assist)
Is that about right or am I way off? Was trying to avoid the spardas and doom but from the looks of it, all the best teams include at least one of them, so Id rather play the best Viper team I can, Im iffy on Dante anchor or Morrigan without missiles myself though, dont really like playing Ammy either, so I guess Id be going with a Viper/?/Strider shell myself, Vergil doesnt seem to do much for Viper, other than being Vergil, which is always good, but as far as specifically for Viper I feel Dante or Doom are better, and of the two Strider already covers the vertical area and Doom is a better horizontal assist, plus tac infinite, so I guess Viper/Doom/Strider, they both support Viper well and are a solid shell in their own and Doom can help build lots of meter for both Viper and Strider, which is another issue I had with Vergil on that spot as all three characters would be meter hogs.
Edit: Forgot to mention Swagneto, I was also thinking about him for that second spot, but while also getting horizontal coverage, a fast assist and tac infinites I felt he wouldnt be able to really capitalize off of vajra
drew grimeys team is the best viper team even forwards team is really good. tac infinite with forwards team or vergil loops with drew. viper needs vajra i feel.
Drew-Viper/Vergil/Strider
Forward-Viper/Doom/Strider