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your just afraid i will win all your monies.

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Twelve - XCOPY, XFLAT and his mobility immediately make him better than Sean IMO.
Q - taunt bonus, better priority of footsies and damage make him better.
Hugo - Footsie game is better by far, and 1 Gigas can turn around a whole fight.

However, none of that knowledge helps new Sean players. So, there’s no point in discussing it further in this thread.

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Look at his username, stop quoting him.

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SG: I just noticed we have the same gamertag initials, coincidence, I think not.

Anyway, I kinda want any input people have on Sean’s Kara-throw. I really couldn’t find it useful, and all these years of maining Sean I’ve never, ever, used it, but if it has a use I’d love to start. My main problem with it is that it’s far+hp+throw meaning you have to be far enough away for far+hp to come out instead of close+hp, this basically makes it useless since even the kara-throw won’t hit from that distance, unless of course you use it as a sort of footsie and catch someone in active frames, in which case I feel like a parry is a better option from that range. I don’t really want people saying “yeah I use it” I’d rather have somebody tell me, “here’s a setup” because I honestly don’t know any. Also I’ve looked around and I’ve seen some sources say far+hp is his only one, and t+hp is one too, so I tested this, and it’s true, but I still can’t find a use for it.

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Twelve - The fact that Sean has practical combos and doesn’t have to base his game on a run and 1 hit strategy makes him better
Q - taunt bonus is pretty negligible vs anyone who knows what they’re doing. Sean’s speed and normals make him better
Hugo - The fact that someone’s brain who functions at 1/10 normal human speed can still parry all of Hugo’s moves on reaction makes Sean better.

Wait, did you just list X COPY as a reason for Twelve being BETTER? Undeniably the worst super in the game? Lol. Why am I even talking to you?

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you’re an idiot shut up.

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Awesome baby bro I see a lot of thing I didn’t know like about the tornado kick I always. Get thrown right after …do u have any tips against. Urien???

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I’ve been playing Sean as my 2nd (to Akuma) almost as much as my main though (maybe 40% of the time) since 2007 when CPS3 emulator came out. Mainly because he is really fun to use and his mixup and lack of combos (rely on normals, mind games, etc) seems to help my game with other characters. I’ve always played Dan in other capcom games so he’s right up my alley.

I mostly approve of most of this and I learned a few things (that j.hp, c.hk, ex tatsu combo is sick stun/damage holy shit), but I think I play him a little differently, maybe I’m wrong?

For starters I like pink, blueberry and oreo Sean, they are all acceptable. Any other color just looks ugly (Kuroda uses black/white Sean among other colors!).

Secondly I like to footsie/dash in (especially when ball is coming) and throw out standing MP just as often as I use other mixups in the same situation. and MP is good for building meter, don’t think you mentioned that. I use standing MP often enough as well. It doesn’t seem that bad.

Third, I don’t know how safe/unsafe these strings are but I love to use them because they are so fun and classy looking.
s.mp, hk, c.mk, lk.tatsu (can use any tatsu to mix it further) kara throw. (if they don’t quick roll you can ball and f.hp). The kara throw with f+hp is good because just like akuma’s it makes you step a little further and sometimes picks up a free parry.

Fourth, I think these are pretty good for mixing in: lp tick roll throw, wakeup roll (rarely), roll under jump in throw (perfect spacing needed obviously), or just rolls in general when far to footsie around or whatever (same application as lk tatsu, lk wheel, lp tackle) And I think roll has better recovery frames so you can do EX DS out of it or whatever.

Fifth, I really like standing MK as a footsie/poke but I hold back when I use it so he kinda steps back and then does it so less forward walking when you didn’t want it.

Anyways I just recorded myself playing vs some ken on supercade (RIP GGPO PC 3s), he wasn’t the best player obviously but just showcases some of the seananigans I like to use. Let me know what you think about it when it’s done uploading to YT and I post it.

Warning - Lower the volume to like 2% and the frame rate is kinda shitty, stupid fucking camtasia…

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Thanks for commenting and yeah, I’ll just add my thoughts.

Far standing MP: I did mention that cr.mp is his best move to whiff to build super, reason for this is that it recovers faster than far+mp, but I don’t know which one technically builds more meter, so maybe this is fine for that as well. It is true that Sean’s far+mp is similar to other shoto’s far+mps so it’s not bad, 5 frame start up and decent active frames, I just don’t like it because it’s farily short range, but you have to use the pokes you got. A tip though, I’ve noticed pro players on hit or block with a far+mp will instantly dash forward ~ throw (mixup where appropriate.) Sean’s far+mp is worse than Ken’s frame wise (0 on block,) but this is not only something you can do, but something to look out for Ken and Ryu players doing as well.

That string you mentioned technically stops after the s.mp~hk target combo, but you’re safe at that point. c.mk will often hit here, but if you do it too often it’ll start getting parried. Other than EX Tornado Kick, none of them are safe, but there’s no harm in confirming into it if you have a huge life lead, your opponent doesn’t have super to punish you with, or you’ll kill or stun them. Keep in mind instead of canceling into tornado kick, you could c.mk cancel into wheel kick or sean grab for mixup. Kara throw is uneccesary here because regular throw hits after a tornado kick, and it’s arguably what you should be doing every time just to minimize your risk, but your opponent can still punish before you get a chance to. Also I forgot to mention that in a scenario where you want to cancel a s.lp or cr.lp into lp Sean roll, or Sean grab, you can just negative edge the lp for ease. One of my favorite, completely unsafe things to do is to sean grab up to my opponent while they’re on the ground and hit them with a dragon smash on their wakeup, because nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

If you used to play back in the day on supercade or GGPO, I probably played you, and you’re probably better than me, lol.

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Well I’ve been playing Sean since 3S first drop (admittedly i came late to SF3 after living in Florida, and i was enticed by a second impact machine)

and first off your rules seem to be a little out of order and context (just slightly);

#1 Respect the basketball! not just cuz it’s cool but cuz it’s almost a free mixup so long as they don’t have a good super to counter with… basketball>sweep, basketball>EX.rollkick, and basketball>overheadbutt are all godly and extremely hard to deal with if you never play against Sean… and who does??.. best believe the globetrotter taunt is a cornerstone of Sean when the dice are thrown
#2 Don’t use Sean as an excuse … Sean may be the worst character tier-wise, but that is no reason to go into every match thinking you’re off on the wrong brazilian foot already… DO NOT THINK THAT WAY!.. the fighting game mentality is all about “can i beat this guy in this tournament 2 out of 3 rounds?” and the answer is always always always YES!.. regardless of your character, their character, who you played before or after, or the earth’s axis tilt that given day… start every match with the same attitude… you CAN win even with Sean you just have to make your way to it
#3 Pick [S]pink[/S] Blk+Ylw Sean … lastly Sean is NOT! the Dan of SF3… Dan was created as a joke from paper to pixel… Sean may be bad tier-wise, but he was introduced as an actually serious character addition… Ken’s Sakura if you will, he eventually ends up helping to train Ken’s son… totally orignal moves and style were not a blessing Dan received instead he got bad imitations feel free to pick the Pink outfit if that’s your style but not to imitate Dan for godlike sake … i prefer the brazil, the Blu+Wht, and the Blk+Ylw in fact

i didn’t mean to de-rail you, but i had a few issues with you groundwork… everything else is spot on in here for sure and in addition i’d like to share some of my Sean howto

  • Sean’s crossup is useless, but do look into the roll… he’s the only character with one i guess
  • s.HP, S.HK, S.MP, and Sean’s overhead headbutt are his most reliable moves, the headbutt is particularly good when compared to other command overheads
  • use the canceled version of the Sean tackle to close distance safely… over course this has been mentioned already but really utilize it, i’m a fan of landing a s.HP poke and then short tackle dashing as they reel
  • Sean’s HP>HK target combo is perfect after a parry, not to mention it cancels pretty easy for supers and whatnot
  • really take into account your matchup when selecting your SA… all of Sean’s SAs can be combo’d similarly so you really should have a SA to work with against particular characters… i choose SA2 (Shoryu-Cannon) for the most part, you get 2 meters to play with and a good pinch super (can also be used after a parry plainly), SA1 (Hadou-Burst) is really good too in terms of meter and combos, it’s also blinding fast and can be used to punish stuff from afar, I use it for Chun, Akuma, the Twins and anyone who likes to whiff normals in my face, and lastly SA3 (Sean Tornado) only has 1 big meter to utilize so you get almost no EX game, but on the upside it can fly through fireballs and is a fantastic mixup… basketball taunt+correctly timed SA3 is basically unblockable
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Apart from disagreeing with his choice of color, you do realize that you just repeated what Spectre said, right?

Anyway…

  1. No crossup is useless. If it’s capable of scoring you damage and not punishable on hit, it’s advisable.
  2. Sean can be hit out of Sean tackle, so it is by no means safe just because you are canceling it. Your opponent has enough time to cover their block option and react to tech the throw. The only way you are forcing a mixup is if you use Shoryu Cannon after canceling a tackle.
  3. Options after a parry vary depending on what move you parried by the way. I’m sure you knew that, but I wanted to clear this up for anyone who is new to 3S and may have been misled.
  4. Basketball, Hyper Tornado can be blocked infinitely.
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Roll is only good for gimmicks; a good player will never fall for them if he tries it again.

Sean’s f.HP(headbutt), st.HP(both close and far), and far HK are unsafe on block.

Worth noting though, st.MK beats a lot of low attacks.

It’s MP->HK, and the only way you can combo this into Super(SA3) is against Makoto…and it’s a really really strict link.

SA1 and SA2 combo very differently based on range. SA1 is good because it helps put his far range cancellable pokes to good use. SA2 is for close-range players; you can NOT play it like SA1 because Shoryu Cannon has terrible range to trade off for high-damage. SA3 benefits from not only comboing off of all of Sean’s far cancellable pokes like SA1, he also has a couple more links to add because of the really quick startup(cl.HK->SA3). That “mixup” you mentioned is far from unblockable…

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I was planning to read this all in one sitting, then I realized how long it was xO
Props for the info though! I’ll definitely be checking here every so often.

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Thanks for checking in barzaad9564, I’ll add a few comments.

I really do agree with this, obviously I wouldn’t have been maining Sean for years and wouldn’t have written this guide if I didn’t think winning with Sean was possible. But it’s hard, and new Sean players need to know that. Sean may not have been designed as a joke character like Dan, but Dan has better matchups, and is easier to win with. No hate, just truth. What you said though is essential, you have to know that you can still win with Sean, and I hope you do. The main reason I said not to use him as an excuse was to prevent people from “hiding behind” a low tier character, something I got accused of more times that I care to reflect on. As I mentioned, when you win with Sean, then where does your opponent go to hide?

I dunno man, I just ain’t feeling Pittsburgh Sean, but it’s up to you really.

You can combo off his crossup, so it’s not useless, just not as good as Ken’s and kinda hard to space/time.

I’m sure you meant mp>hk and it’s actually a good idea after an anti-air parry, but as I mentioned often you can get better damage by hitting cl.hp or cl.hk which have the same startup frames as cl.mp and cause different results (as far as resets/stun etc.) so really you can pick which one you want. Aku mentioned that you can’t cancel off the target combo except on Makoto, which is correct, but you CAN cancel off the cl.mp which is what I’m sure you meant.

Selecting the best super for your opponent is definitly a good idea, I was actually going to leave this in when I do specific matchups. I for example feel like SA2 is best for opponents who are always in your face like Yun, Yang and Makoto. But for characters who play safer, SA1 or 3 is a good option. (Though I use SA2 in all matchups, but that’s just me.) You can block Hyper Tornado standing though, so I’m not sure where the “taunt+SA3 is basically unblockable” came from, unless it was opponents who think you have to block it low and whiffed a parry.

Thanks for commenting, for now I’ll get back to working on those matchups.

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You’re consistently a productive addition to any thread. I give valid counterpoints with factual evidence. I get ‘shut up idiot’. Classic. Thank you for proving my point for me better than I ever could.

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I contribute by playing the game.

you wrote a ridiculous amount spectre. you’re insane.
i would suggest using spoiler tags and/or hitting enter a few more times to separate paragraphs. some of those topics are really just a complete wall of text.

sa3 is the shit. always go hyper tornado.

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I finally got back into this last night, and I’m really glad I did. My favorite parts are that you’ve analyzed every normal that he has (that’s something that it took me a while to realize - that just because I could do pretty well with mostly just 3-4 normals doesn’t mean I shouldn’t explore the others because even if a move has limited use, those are still uses that can add up to a lot more wins if you’re smart… and also the section where you talk about different situations/strategic approaches (what to do if he’s turtling, what are you options at the beginning of the round) - that’s great stuff to think about. Thanks again.

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you quoted me before the YT vid was appended here: http://youtu.be/Bjlx2g6E6XQ

Yea, I played on GGPO since like 08-09 maybe? lately I’ve been playing on supercade. Yea I remember played 1 or 2 guys that were pretty proficient with sean, did you go by the same name as here on the forum? I’m always SpoR.

PS- What exactly is negative edge for lp roll tick throw? I probably do this without knowing what it is lol. (PS when people start catching on to the lp roll tick throw, add another c.lp it works great.)

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I’ve always gone by the same name everywhere.
Negative edge is when you hold down a button after doing a move, and then release it to do the next move. A negative edge cr.lp~lp sean roll would be input like this: cr.lp (hold lp) qcb (release lp) it has to be done very quickly but can be done with any move if the move you’re cancelling into can be performed with the same button, for example Sean’s close mp~mp dragon smash. Negative edge is also one of the reasons people “piano” their buttons, quickly hitting all 3 punches, or kicks, allows for not 3 but 6 actual inputs, one for the button being pressed and one for it being released, of course in a situation where lp, mp and hp yeild different moves, such as with a Sean roll, you wouldn’t want to do this.

In your video that Ken player simply never punished a tornado kick, I’m fine with killing people using that move, if it’s working, and I have many times, but what would you have done if he was punishing correctly? Your offense with Sean is very good, if you worked on your parries, you’d be quite formidable. Just a tip, not sure if you know this but Ken’s EX tatsumaki is safe, there was one point where you hit him with Shoryu-Cannon after he did it, which is about the only thing that will work, and only because he put another move on the screen. Usually after I block or get hit by an EX tatsu, I’ll parry, or if I’m feeling myself, super because the Ken player thinks I don’t know he has frame advantage. Regular tatsumakis are punishable tho. I’ll get around to doing the Ken matchup eventually, right now I’m still working on Makoto.

And Poe, thanks for checking back in. Yeah, thinking about that kind of stuff is what makes you a better player no matter which character you use. Even though Sean has some normals that I really hate, every now and then I still find a use for them.

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Spectre General , can I add your posts about Sean on the 3s empire wiki?