You are mistaken.
free money is always popular with the people who get it, but not the people who have to pay it.
i want more of a single-payer system. cut the defense budget in half and spend that on a better healthcare system. figure out a way to drive costs down down down.
The problem is the government has to decide who gets the resources, which are scarce. How to allocate them, and where. The problem being since all these decisions are made politically it causes strife among different classes of people. Instead of allowing the market to allocate itself to suit the needs of society the government assumes the role for certain areas in our life.
What the government does in theory is good for society, but unfortunately what happens is there are few who are able to tap into government power, and use it to obtain what they want while diffusing costs among the populace. This allows for a minority to oppress a majority. Of course with the false veil of a majority making decisions for the country. This is quite misleading since the people who influence this country people don’t even know.
I didn’t know every single person with a pre-existing condition was Comicbook guy.
The funny thing about that is Republicans/Conservatives are the ones who mostly complain from that viewpoint. Meanwhile, the majority of states that receive more from federal spending than they pay in federal taxes are red states.
That’s the whole point of bringing EVERYBODY in the system. For it to work and not cripple the insurance companies, you bring 30 million more paying customers. people. And you are a fucking idiot if you think that preexisting conditions aren’t the biggest loopholes out there. An insurance company can use something that happened to you 10 years ago to deny you coverage if you get cancer.If you lose your job and have a lapse in medical insurace, anything that happened to you during the time you did not have insurance becomes a pre-existing condition.
In regards to the rest of your posts in here, there are preventable things that happen to you, and shit you have nothing to do with. Mummy-B didn’t ask to get cancer and die when he was in his early 20’s. People don’t ask to get sick. The fact that you think everything is so black and white is flat out disgusting. I hope you get cancer of the throat, you can’t get any help because your insurance company drops you, leaving you in a situation where your only choice is to choke to death on your own fucking blood. It’ll save the world from having to deal with your stupid ass.
The fact that insurance companies are for profit and they’re monetizing a person’s health is the biggest fault with the system. Which is a major part of why there needs to be reform. The fact that you seem to just want to say “Fuck those people” makes you even more stupid than I thought. Every time you post, it’s normally with the viewpoint of “Well, it ain’t me, so it’s all good!” is incredibly stupid and short sighted. Stop listening to your parents, get the fuck out in the world and look the fuck around.
And do it without an animal costume on. Don’t let Cigna find out that you want to fuck Sonic the headgehog, they might drop you for having a pre-existing mental condition. Dumb fuck.
Hahahaha Holy Shit.
“Bringing everyone into the system” artifically increases demand, and keeping supply near the same is going to make healthcare more expensive. Although, not as apparent because of this mechanism is being designed as a redistribution of wealth. One thing the government is failing to address is that it fails to address supply. Unless there is a huge technological increase, and boost in doctors, and other resources supply will fall short (shortages) while the demand still increases.
Of course knowing the government we will probably eventually put in place some sort of price controls, and rationing in order to “remedy” this. I mean governments have been doing it since like forever…so why not again?
So you’re against health insurance altogether?
excellent point.
Let’s be straight here, if this legislation was actually good for insurance companies, they’d know it, and they wouldn’t be against it.
And something you just have to acknowledge, accept and incorporate into your thinking is that the entire health care industry, like everything else in the universe, is for profit. How many doctors do you think “have a calling”, and aren’t doing it for a quick six or seven figures a year and all the cunt they can handle? Not too many.
The rest is generally correct (cept I’m not gonna flame Rhio so much). Life isn’t fair, but as I said, people shouldn’t just be just booted to the curb.
Not really. The red states, as we all know, are largely in the southeast. And basically all the poorest states in the country are in the southeast.
The entire southeast region, with the exception of Georgia, is in the bottom half.
The legislation isn’t what the insurance companies want because they don’t want legislation at all. They want to continue to do business as usual and that’s why they don’t like this. They don’t want to insure people that have pre-existing conditions because that would cut into profits. They don’t want to keep kids on their parents insurance plans because they’re paying less for the kids being on the plan than the kids would pay seperately.
Bottom line is the insurance companies don’t want to change because they’re making money now, and they won’t be making as much in the future. It’s very hard to get people to understand why these things would benefit others when it’s going to effect salaries.
I know that but that’s beside the point. It’s run as a profit business. Peoples’ health is a commodity. And insurance companies don’t want to invest in people who aren’t tip top, and that’s one of the reasons why the government is basically finger pointing and saying “No, bitch, you’re GOING to take care of this.”
Regardless, if there was a net gain, the insurance companies would be all for it.
Thing is, that’s a flagrant breach of the insurance company’s freedom. The government is forcing companies to take a hit. The way the insurance industry works is by, essentially, investing. They’re willing to put up X amount of money in the hopes of getting >X return. This is no different than the government saying to stock brokers that they’re all now required to invest in Enron.
in regards to the red states putting in less to the overall federal pool of money than the blue that was his entire point… and you just restated it. i’m not saying that they are bad for that, they are in geographic regions which lead to lower economic success than some of the more populous states. the point was that those same states that take a relatively larger slice of the federal pie than they put in are also the states who’s representatives scream the loudest bloody murder when the states paying in more of the money want to change where that money is going. so in trying to disagree with me you proved that point yet again.
as for insurance companies not liking this bill, did you not see their stocks skyrocket at the passage of the legislation? could it have anything to do with 30 MILLION additional customers being added? or the fact that the gov’t will be subsidizing those 30 million new customers, on top of mandating that they go buy from private insurance companies which generally have near monopolies in their districts, they love the bill, make no mistake about that. i strongly disagree that the insurance companies will take a hit from the health care legislation, i think it will end up being a increase in their overall worth when all is settled. the one area where you might have some leg to stand on that their “profits” will be negatively impacted is that the legislation will force them to spend a higher % of health care premiums on actual health care (assuming it gets properly regulated. the previous 70% requirement wasn’t that well regulated tbh) up from 70% to 80%. and i fail to see how asking the health insurance companies spend more of the pool of money that everyone pays into to pull from when they are sick, actually paying for the treatments of sick people as opposed to ceo compensation packages, marketing etc. is a bad thing in any way shape or form.
I have multiple sclerosis and as this mess progresses I’ll need to see specialist,I have medicaid and thats it,my neurologist doesn’t take it anymore.Something needs to be done for us poor people,we had private insurance but my stepdad had a stroke,lost his job,so he can only afford to pay for a policy for himself,500 bucks a month.It was that for all 3 of us when he was employed.
What does single payer mean?
The fact that none of these conservative **** were complaining about the insane spending Bush Jr spent in no-bid contracts to his buddies making them rich, and on bombs to kill brown people who’s names they can’t even pronounce, proves that 99.999% of all so-called “conservatives” who are talking shit about Obama are simply racist ideologues.
It is hilarious and sad to me, that these people NEVER complained about how Bush Jr. made the biggest increases to government EVER, and all we got was two needless fucking wars…yet trying to make sure every American has some fucking health coverage, THAT is what these tea-party motherfuckers are so set-against that they become political for the first time? There is only one thing different about the past two presidents, color of skin.
There is nothing more hypocritical than someone living in modern America with all of the benefits of government spending on infrastructure for the past hundreds of years complaining about big government. Go live in your Somalian libertarian freemarket paradise.
ok, people who think obama is paying people who are not working (aka unemployment) so they can “eat” and are against this. yall acting like he giving people a fucking 50K a year salary and shit. 230something a week in my state, if you were a working professional, is like getting nothing.
although, i do believe that instead of extending unemployment benefits even further, maybe he should work on creating new jobs instead.
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don’t believe in the tea-bagger hype. they WANT to see America fail so that they can take over. However, people will realize that there ARE benefits to the new healthcare bill and surprisingly the economy is recovering…
Did you not hear about the job reports yesterday? the most jobs created in the last three years it said…
Did you not hear about the job reports yesterday? the most jobs created in the last three years it said…