Skullgirls GD, Part 2 XD!

Diet · 2011-12-15T11:39:46.000Z

i have the exact opposite idea of exeucution in regards to mvc2 tiers then mystic has. low tier execution is really easy. How do you think they are easier than the high tiers?
To mvc3, the game is still in its infant stages, higher execution characters that really are stronger will pull ahead in the long run(if its lasts)

d3v · 2011-12-15T11:45:03.000Z

I wouldn’t even say that the top tier in MvC2 requires less effort. It takes a lot of time to actually learn Mag’s, Sent’s or Storm’s shizz. IMO, it’s actually easier at lower levels to win with a mid/upper tier character (outside of Cable) that can control alot of space than with the four gods.

Squire_Grooktook · 2011-12-15T11:48:59.000Z

i have the exact opposite idea of exeucution in regards to mvc2 tiers then mystic has. low tier execution is really easy. How do you think they are easier than the high tiers?
To mvc3, the game is still in its infant stages, higher execution characters that really are stronger will pull ahead in the long run(if its lasts)

The low tiers do damage with really easy execution.

But then that damage kinda sucks.

I wouldn’t even say that the top tier in MvC2 requires less effort. It takes a lot of time to actually learn Mag’s, Sent’s or Storm’s shizz. IMO, it’s actually easier at lower levels to win with a mid/upper tier character (outside of Cable) that can control alot of space than with the four gods.

I agree, but that’s high level top tier play you’re talking about. At those same levels, and especially against top tiers, low tiers are very very hard to actually win with.

Brennan · 2011-12-15T11:50:18.000Z

This is really a SkullGirls thread?

I guess I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque.

Diet · 2011-12-15T11:50:43.000Z

The low tiers do damage with really easy execution.

But then that damage kinda sucks.

Bulletta cr.lk cr.lk xx cruel hunting says hi

I cant wait to see more Valentine, I’m really excited to see what type of crap she can pull off.

Squire_Grooktook · 2011-12-15T11:53:11.000Z

Bulletta cr.lk cr.lk xx cruel hunting says hi

40 or even 50 percent damage isn’t that bad in a 3 man tag team fighter where most of the top and god tier have infinites or 100% combos

Mike_Z · 2011-12-15T11:58:29.000Z

Is it fair if I step in, as a person who plays MvC2 low tiers at tournament level as well as a developer on Skullgirls, and ask you all to possibly talk about something Skullgirls related?

Diet · 2011-12-15T12:00:29.000Z

40 or even 50 percent damage isn’t that bad in a 3 man tag team fighter where most of the top and god tier have infinites or 100% combos

well, the only 100% i know of that doesn’t count in resets or assists would be iron man. If we’re doing extra characters I could just say spiral/bbh/jugg THC to 200% if they throw out an unsafe assist.

edit: err… ya i tried to throw in some SG stuff, but i have questions and dont want to put them in here

I WANT MORE VALENTINE!

d3v · 2011-12-15T12:20:35.000Z

Is it fair if I step in, as a person who plays MvC2 low tiers at tournament level as well as a developer on Skullgirls, and ask you all to possibly talk about something Skullgirls related?

MORE VALENTINE!

I believe Diet has the solution Mike.

not_so_saint_1 · 2011-12-15T12:34:59.000Z

Is it fair if I step in, as a person who plays MvC2 low tiers at tournament level as well as a developer on Skullgirls, and ask you all to possibly talk about something Skullgirls related?

Some Painwheel developer vidzzz maybe? ^______________^

jmcrofts · 2011-12-15T13:01:53.000Z

Is it fair if I step in, as a person who plays MvC2 low tiers at tournament level as well as a developer on Skullgirls, and ask you all to possibly talk about something Skullgirls related?

Remember when we played mvc2 at the arcade? And I went 0-15? Good times. I need a rematch, I swear I’m better now >_>

DaRabidDuckie · 2011-12-15T13:05:18.000Z

Is it fair if I step in, as a person who plays MvC2 low tiers at tournament level as well as a developer on Skullgirls, and ask you all to possibly talk about something Skullgirls related?

I think that’s a fantastic idea. Why not grease the wheels a little so we’d have something new we can talk about… like, say… oh I dunno… MO VALENTINE FOOTAGE? XD

Yvive · 2011-12-15T13:14:16.000Z

Since no one has cross posted this yet… Here’s a vain attempt to bring this cesspool back on topic. (Without just begging for more footage)

Mike_Z on Dustloop:

Her airdash does indeed go up at like a 20 degree angle, kind of like I-No’s or Morrigan’s ground dash. She benefits hella from it, because when you cancel into normals she gets a Y-velocity boost, instead of starting to fall immediately, more like a jumpcancel then a dash cancel.
Her backdash is a short hop, as is her air backdash. They are both cancellable by specials/supers only, not normals. However, you can cancel her ground backdash into either a doublejump or an airdash, and you can also cancel her air backdash into a doublejump. Backdash->airdash is pretty amazing so far, it’s faster than IAD since there isn’t a height limit.
As far as corpses go, she uses body bags in several of her attacks and she uses a corpse in her j.HK. (It’s a tool, like the IV stand/saw/etc.) She may have more to do with dead bodies that I can’t say yet. ;^)

Um, I really don’t have the time or inclination to type out all her normals, sorry yo. We’ll do a GT preview eventually, and I’m trying to get her at least somewhat playable at SCR; that should be more than enough. Lots of her attacks are multihit.

It looks like Valentine is potentially the new holder of the “Best Air-dash” title. The additional height should make cross-ups easier and make it more useful as a combo extender. Also if back dashes have invulnerability (I honestly forget if they do), BDIAD looks like a fairly safe way to start pressure strings.

Her IV-stand attack looks like it’s either a rekka, or has a two-hit optional follow up on hit. And her syringe throw (if that’s what I’m seeing at the beginning of the X-Play video) as fairly quick start up and can either be thrown without anything put into it or can be filled, then tossed later.

Howtoread · 2011-12-15T13:47:59.000Z

It didn’t LOOK as fast as Filia’s box dash stuff.
Do we know if Valentine has any movement options apart from the air-dash? Wait, maybe I should ask that in the Q&A thread…

I’ll definitely be glued to the SCR stream, anyway. Wish this game would get shown in Europe…

drexciyan · 2011-12-15T13:49:35.000Z

Revives dead bodies with defibrillator?

Yvive · 2011-12-15T14:02:25.000Z

I think it was stated somewhere that the defibrillator was just used for her snap back. I could be wrong though.

It didn’t LOOK as fast as Filia’s box dash stuff.
Do we know if Valentine has any movement options apart from the air-dash? Wait, maybe I should ask that in the Q&A thread…

I think “faster” was in reference to the start up between Val’s regular IAD and her BDIAD. Which means she probably has the fastest IAD start up out of the cast, even though Filia’s air dash speed is faster than Val’s. (This is all assumptions though.)

Tomo009 · 2011-12-15T14:06:43.000Z

So I was right about using dead bodies for her body bag moves? yay me.

Every thing I learn about her I’m getting even more hyped, just like with Painwheel, I think this team was meant to be, assuming I can play them.

MWisk_2 · 2011-12-15T16:00:32.000Z

From that glimpse of Valentine I’m already very happy with the character and she’s already on my team! I loved that airdash angle, so dirty! ^ ^

Right now I can’t wait for a more thoroughly walkthrough of Painwheel (although I know pretty much all about her now) and Valentine’s moves.

Monkey_D.Malcolm · 2011-12-15T19:05:37.000Z

If you pick a low tier team and lose to a high tier one, then you have nobody to blame but yourself, you made the decision to pick those characters, and you deal with the consequences.

Actually, I think if you rage over losing at a video game, you’re doing something wrong anyway.

What I’m saying, is that in order to be good, you pretty much need two things. You need to be good at your character, but you also need to be a good player. You can improve the latter with any character, in any game. Because fundamentals of strategy and reading are pretty universal. And in my opinion, learning the latter is way harder, and takes way more time then the former, regardless of game.

I’m not saying you HAVE to play a low tier in order to get better, I’m just saying there is nothing wrong with it, and it will neither hurt your play, nor waste your time. Especially if you *enjoy *those characters. You will undoubtedly have to work several times harder then your opponent to scrape together a win, but if you really really find the character you’re using fun and unique, then I’d say go for it. Mvc2 is undoubtedly the best when god tiers are being played, but it’s still an all around amazing game even in low tier tourneys. In my oppinion

Marvel 2 with god tiers > Marvel 2 without god tiers > every other marvel game > everything

So, you’re telling me you’re willing to put hours into a character potential weeks and months and then when you lose you won’t feel a type of way ? If that’s the case then why are you even playing the game if it doesn’t make a difference if you win or lose.

A person who decently plays Roll/Chun/Marrow would have an easier time transitioning to a better character and would be better than someone who played higher tier all day. Simple reason is because High Tier usually has easier execution, more damage, and tools. For example since I played Shuma from day one in MVC3 and his combos were insane, when I jumped over to Magneto I was like “Seriously? this is all I have to do for ROM loops? Pshaw baby shit”. Oh fuck I have a tridash and flight? Shit yeah.

The low tier/high tier skill argument is comparable to sprinter/distance conversion in Track.
It’s usually easier for a sprinter to become a great distance runner because they already have the proper form and technique for most efficient running. All they have to do is work on endurance. It’s harder for a distance runner to be a great sprinter because they are used to just running any old way and relying on pure endurance to beat opponents. They don’t have efficient form or technique so when the races aren’t about pure distance they can’t really compete very well.

Have you even played MvC2 before ?

drexciyan · 2011-12-15T21:24:51.000Z

Have you even played MvC2 before ?

Clearly not at a level where he would be capable of expressing a single meaningful insight about the game.