I have actually known a single mother whom was doped up all the time, and got welfare. I attempted to get her clean by taking her to detox and rehab, but the bitch jus wanted to get fucked and high all day (looking for the easy way out i guess) . But they gave her all kinds of free rent money and food money, but she ended up blowing it and losing her son and apartment, point is women should be given welfare when they actually take care of their children and if they get high, then they will eventually lose it imo. drug test are not accurate at all. people on weed are not bad people and it takes a long time to get that out of your system for a drug test. But with coke, crystal, heroin these users are fucked up people, stealing , whoring, not working or school, these drugs get out of your system in a matter of days. You could drug test but all your doing is letting the tweekers and junkies in and telling the bud smoker no .
Eat the rich. The poor are miserable enough already.
The goverment is the biggest drug cartel, slave traders and rat robbers. Bill after bill is passed taking more rights away and rewarding the very people bending us over. If you want to help the fat cats screw people on welfare even more then go for it.
One day we may all wake up oppressed ( more ) one way or another and it won’t be the welfare folks doing the oppressing.
What about the federal reserve? What about the war? What about Monsanto getting company of the year?
Why aren’t you all talking about something more important than druggies on welfare? Drawing lines among the population just makes it easier for the people pulling the strings to control us.
stfu foodstamp
If your life blows to the point of needing to be on welfare, I cannot see why these people wouldn’t be on drugs. Let them spend it on whatever they want, unless they’re completely neglecting the children they’re receiving it for. There is no motivation for these people to work because half the time they will make just as much or less by working full time than if they just sat around and collected welfare. If they have to pay for some sort of childcare they end up losing money. Things aren’t as cut and dry as one might make them appear.
like what?
My mothers on Welfare and in school so she can then go get a better job. Not everyone abuses welfare and not everyone who’s on welfare’s life is miserable. How come everything you say is fucking retarded?
They should do away with it, period.
The people on welfare eat better than some people who dont have it. I don’t like going to the store the first few days of the month, like now, and seeing all of these wastes of society with multiple carts full of thick-cut steak, name brand, expensive foods, and tons, and tons of soda/juice, and these people and/or their kids are fat as hell. And secondly, we shouldn’t have to pay for it. I don’t have kids, and pay taxes, so I feel strongly about it.
Or they need to severely limit it. People shouldn’t get to eat like kings for free. They need to use dietary guidelines on foodgroups to determine what you can get, that only store brands can be had where applicable. There should not be fat ass people, who can maintain, or add girth because they can just buy 24-packs of soda, and ChipsAhoy, and Doritos for free. Another thing is, these idiots don’t know how to budget what they DO get? They buy all this extravagant stuff as soon they get the funds, and the last half of the month, their diet is probably ramen noodles, and water.
About drug testing? Absolutely. Positively. And there shouldn’t be a worry about perscription drugs, you can prove that you have them, and what they show up as. Light up, and that’s too bad. Kitana, that imaginary situation would be chalked down to “you shoulda thought before you did it” Why would someone take something THAT strong thats not perscribed to them? Shit, I’ve had stuff perscribed that I didn’t take because it was strong, and it was MY perscription. You do something like that, then that’s too fucking bad.
I never stated that I believe everyone on welfare is abusing it, and that everyone on welfare has a miserable existence. All I meant by the first sentence is that if your life is that tough, I’m not going to judge anyone for using drugs, however poorly stated it was.
I in no way meant to offend you or your mother. Seeing as how she has you for a son, and is on welfare, I would say her life is miserable however much she makes it appear otherwise to you.
Pretty harsh words. I’m sure most of the people on welfare don’t really enjoy their lot in life. If given the choice, I’m almost sure the vast majority of people would rather be working full time with a good job, than being on welfare. You make it sound like these people get paid like kings. I don’t know how much either, but I am almost certain it’s not enough money to indulge the way you make it seem.
Not to be rude, but I honestly doubt you have a job that pays you enough money to really be paying much if anything towards it. Could be wrong, but I highly doubt it.
How do you know the eating habits of everyone on welfare? I would assume that if they’re bringing in a severely hindered income that they’re buying the cheapest shit they can find to feed themselves between when they get paid. Which would most likely lend itself more to obesity than them “eating like kings”. Either way, as long as they’re feeding themselves, what does it matter to you what they eat? Just because they’re being helped they shouldn’t be allowed to eat like the rest of us?
Hah you’re a real character dude.
Hey man, I just got here. If you’re like me, and just joining the thread:
White people are evil.
Drugs are good.
You’re all caught up :tup:.
It should require testing. If a single mother is able to stay clean long enough to collect a check, how is she going to be able to stay clean long enough to get and hold a job. At that point the money is better spent on the children in the custody of the state.
I am all for welfare. It is the price that this country pays to not be Ethiopia. I am not sympathetic of addiction, however. My family had had plenty of crack addicts, alcoholics and prescription drug abusers. Every one of them started on their own and every single one of them did it at the expense of those around them. While I would only be for testing of illegal substances, I cannot see why people see it as a bad thing.
If this country ever passed single payer healthcare (yeah, right.) I would want the same thing. I do not understand why addicts somehow deserve such pity. It is one of the few cases in poverty where it is 100% the fault of the impoverished person. I would think that getting them out of the pot could only help the recipients who are trying to feed their kids as opposed to their addictions.
since the majority of people receiving welfare are mothers, you would only be punishing their children. also, wow at people really having no idea what addiction is about. all these posts “i hate drug users, and i know everything about addiction cuz my uncle was a junky”, are ridiculous. it has been proved, time and again, that addiction is actually not “100% the fault of the impoverished person”, and that addicts would not be doing the shady addict shit that you all despise so much, if they had some actual support. in the real world, 90% of real, habitual drug users would quit today if they could do it medically, in safe conditions. sure, they might relapse tomorrow, but this is usually because of chemical imbalances that could be treated in conjunction with the addiction. honestly, welfare would probably save a ton of money in the long run by offering more help to these people now, so that they could go back to working and being productive, ultimately paying back into the system that helped them. you catch way more bees with honey than vinegar. mad props to the people who can recognize the real problems lie way, way, way up the food chain.
You forgot to state why people who have had day to day dealings with drug addicts and their bad choices have opinions with less weight than your generalizations.
You can help the addicts all you want. Just get them off of welfare while you are doing it. Send the children to the state or a relative and give the new guardian the funds.
Anyone with actual experience with addicts knows that you can love them as much as you want to but at some point you are going to have to say no. You have to put gas in their car or buy them a meal if they ask you for money for either of those just to make sure that the cash will not be used for drugs. Testing will identify the problems and get children out of bad situations that exist without feeding an addiction on the taxpayer’s dime.
At the very least, if a person tests positive they should only have access to Section 8 housing and WIC. No cash.
Judging by what I see in certain people’s carts… I’ll stick to my assesments.
Because I post on SRK? Well, my bank account always has 4 digits, I have everything in my house that someone could want. Hey ask the 25 people from the local threads that I had over my place for games, shit I bought $150 in food to feed them for ONE night, I have 2 vehicles, a garage to put them in, one of which is getting some very expensive work done, check out preludepower or honda-tech. You dont’ know about my life situation. Shit I left Gamestop, easy ass job with hours that I chose, for more money, and I have given up nights and weekends and added tons of stress I have gotten gray hair since taking my current job, but I have stuff to show for it.
I’m not meaning this to be a “my dick is bigger” thing, but I will most certainly defend myself against charges like that.
These people are stupid fucks, who obviously can’t grasp the concepts of time, or budget. You think they care about the rest of the month? They have funds NOW, they see all this shit they can’t have otherwise, but can get it. They aren’t getting store-brand because they have to, you know, because they’re “too good” for it, or can “afford” it. Again, first days of the months + trashy ass people + tons of kids + multiple carts with heaping, name brand, expensive groceries = welfare having piece of shit. You’d like to think they could ration better, but they don’t know otherwise.
And obviously, they shouldn’t be allowed to eat like the rest of us. WE are paying for it. I can get the $6 raisin granola cereal for the little ass box, or the Pop-Tarts cause its my money, a welfare person should be relegated to the big, cheap bags of store brand cereal, and the toaster pastries. It’ll cost less for us, and they’ll get what they need. It’d be even cheaper if they were only allowed the bare necessities. No reason to see someone buying 10 12-packs of Mountain Dew and Coke with welfare funds.
This sounds like a good start, but there’s always loopholes from what I’ve seen. I’ve lost count of the number of times that I’ve seen someone stand outside of the Food Lion/Safeway/Giant that was wanting to trade $30 worth of food stamps for $20.
i have more experience with addiction than you could ever imagine. unless you are just cripplingly angry about the situation you have been forced into because of them, you sound like all those other people who never even tried to understand what was happening to your so-called loved ones. so yes, i think your opinions weigh about as much as the ignorant masses’ on the subject.
edit: yes, you are absolutely correct in stating that enabling an addict is the wrong thing to do… but for most people it stops there, when they could enable the person to actually get better but choose not to because “they dug their own grave” type thinking. do you think kids born addicted deserve no help, as well?
That is just fucking stupid. You or someone you care about made a series of bad decisions that led to an addiction and the only “smart” response is to write a blank fucking check while crying over the addict’s suffering.
I never even spoke about caring or understanding. I am talking about allocating state and federal money in such a way that does not fund their addiction. Hell, if the testing does nothing other than expose at risk children, it is a good thing.
You are full of shit. I can only hope that you are not so weak that you equate refusing to pay for someone’s next fix with not loving them, or so fucking stupid that you actually believe a word of someone who is hurting to get high.
Get your head out of your ass.
Material possessions have zero to do with the point I was making. I don’t think you make enough to pay that much in taxes, if you even pay anything at all (referring to getting a refund). The majority of people paying are those much higher up on the tax bracket. Sounds like you have maybe one step up from a minimum wage job, so even if you end up paying, you’re not paying much.
Do you actually go up to these people and ask how they’re paying for their groceries? Do you know people on welfare and watch them shop/checkout their cart? Or do you work at a grocery store?
What makes them stupid? The fact that they need help? Being poor, or in need of assistance does not make them stupid. I’ll be the first one to say people need to be more responsible with shitting kids out, but to refer to people as trashy (in what sense do you mean btw?) again for what appears to be strictly only for the fact they need assistance seems trashier to me. Again, do you work at Safeway? You seem to know a lot about people on welfare and their carts.
Well again, I doubt how much you’re actually paying into welfare or taxes in general. Aside from that how exactly are they paying for all this food you’re talking about? I know they only allow a certain amount per child and parent, and unless they have a shit ton of kids, I fail to see how they’re getting enough to fill carts up with heaping amounts of name brand shit. Which is aside the point, if they are able to survive on it, shouldn’t matter what type of food they buy.
I’m not going to argue that assistance should fund any sort of drugs/smokes/alcohol. If you were to drug test people on assistance, exactly how do you know they used the money they received for assistance for drugs? It’s possible to use a substance, and not abuse it. It is also possible to get substances without using said money.
As far as the health care, at what point do you draw the line? People that eat unhealthy? It’s a slippery slope once you start wanting to deny certain things.
The only thing that really bugs people around here is the “cash account” or whatever. A seperate account EBT recipients can use like a normal debit card. That’s where your cigarettes, lobster, and beer come into play.
I only paid the gov’t $6,726~ this past year, so I really can’t complain…
If you want to receive government money, then they have the right to require whatever they want out of you. I don’t think requiring them to stay off of drugs is unreasonable. Drug addicted welfare mothers in heat have raised enough of our current and future inmates as is. We are going to have to do something to fight the welfare culture, because I fail to see the advantage of welfare if the kids on welfare either end up on welfare or in prison. Raising these types of individuals does not benefit society in any form. We need to get those welfare kids college/trade school educated and out of the system. The question is HOW? How do you fight the culture that sees that as being a white man, being an uncle tom, or not being a true Hispanic (Mexican/Cuban/Puerto Rican/Domincan). There isn’t just a lack of opportunity, there is also a culture that expects hand outs and glorifies attitudes of self defeat. One of my close friends is black, all his friends are white because he is a successful accountant, married to the mother of ALL of his children, and is raising his kids because he never knew his father. IMO he is one of the greatest men I have ever known, and I hope if I ever have a family I can be half the man he is. He worked his ass off and got his entire education paid for by grants and scholarships. But when he goes back to the old neighborhood, he gets nothing but hate from his family members who are in and out of jail and on welfare. That is what needs to stop. I have no idea how to fight that ideal though. Maybe someone here has an idea. I’m white, so I can’t really understand that attitude/position. I sympathize, but no matter how I try, I just can’t seem to really grasp it.