First off, slow your roll brotha. You going to sit there and tell me EC has super strong showing of Old Skool Players? Lets see, phil, flash, jeron, art, in fact most of the guys you just named are ummm yes new skool players. Not fuckin SHITTY players, i stated that EC has many NEW SKOOL PLAYERS. So get your shit straight before comin in here and shouting out at the mouth. Pete talley, Doyles and Brian are the few Old skoolers that I have a lot of respect for. So i think my statement is still correct, which is u dont have many. Im still laughin at all of them losing to blanka so whatever =P
Also, do not make me bust out the mail YOU fuckin sent me stating that the tourney u won (after evo i think it was), when people didnt really know your name and were shocked a blanka won when in reality u just abused a lot of tricks that none of the new schoolers have seen. You said this time me so, anyway.
Im not in here tryin to talk shit about players im in here preaching about akuma. Cause I dont feel he needs to be banned. He still wont win a major. Alot of the set ups Axel mention are just mind games and it coems down to the player as well.
I also want to know why all the sudden Damdai is suppose to be claimed to fame Mighty akuma player. Well i guess it makes since, he just won 2 tourneys in EC with him right? Wow nerf nerf lets ban him.
I brought this up with a few WC old skoolers and currently Valle is playing a lot of Akuma to try and prove him out as well. Since in order to truely believe…people have to see some elite old skool player use him effectively and to show us just how mindless the character can be.
Anyway, he is far from being to overpowered. Also I have damdai im my friends list, iv been trying to play him ever since he won that shit and i NEVER see him on. So tell him to log on and maybe we can play ill record them just so u guys can see me win and still argue that Akuma is too powerful. It will be fun
I have to completely agree with Dream. It all comes down to the player and peoples experiences with the character. So here comes Damdai, who has A LOT of experience with ST, abusing stuff not to many people are used to vs players who are new skool with not much experience.
Axel: all those points you made all break down to the player and character experience. Ok, I cant DP a cross up FB trap…well hmm I cant DP Dj crossing me up either, if he hits me…i die. There is no difference. There is no systematic way of playing akuma where it doesnt matter who you are or what char u are using…that you just have no options and lose for free.
Prove to me that Akuma can do this on every character and that will greatly grant a Ban. Otherwise its all about the player. There is no reason to ban this character when we have barely even given him any tourney chances. Lets see Akuma win all over the states with different people abusing him. Maybe then it can qualify for a ban. Otherwise all this is, are a bunch of new skool kats crying about a char they have no experience vs and are to lazy to figure out a strategy to beat the char/player. I believe a very small amount of old skool are being lazy as well =P
From a total noobs perspective, I have to say that that the discourse from the experienced players is very informative. Debate should be just that…debate.
The fact that it hasn’t spiraled into a ‘ima beat you up irl scrub’ kinda thing is commendable.
But with that, I think the whole issue of banning any Remix character should be held off until the cycle of major tournaments concludes. Old School, New School, Old Cheese, New Cheese…
Once money is on the line we will see what character should/shouldn’t be allowed in tournament play.
I already played him with Vega but he thought it was Cole because I was on Cole’s account. Damdai won that EC thing(sorry I don’t pay much attention to street on the day to day so I don’t know what tourney) and I told Cole that Vega should whoop Akuma. He told me he talked to Damdai and told him hella ppl beat Akuma.
That day I played him. Honestly, that’s the first time I had heard of the dude. I won the first time we played. The second time, later that day, I won the first round and the next round he moved a bit and then sat there. I came home and then I saw the post he made about Vega causing desyncs. The first time we played the whole match and even the second time we couldn’t have been desync’d until the 2nd round.
There is nothing that makes me feel that Akuma should be banned because, well, I understand his capabilities and Vega whoops on that. Anything he can do to cause even block damage gives Vega an opening to punish even in the air. But what do I know? I have only played a few times when I’ve been up there. I also have no problems believing in the desyncronization that occurs.
All I can tell you is that I don’t think Akuma just wins for free at all. It’s nothing like ST to me but on ST I thought that Vega had the tools to win as well so…take that for what you will. I really don’t consider myself any good at the moment. That is to say that while I can win, I don’t really know HD and am nowhere near focusing on SF to be in my own top form.
So far, I don’t think he should be banned even if he counters a group of characters. That is from little experience with the game so, take what I say here with a grain of salt.
A few interesting points being made, I was unaware about the HDTV thing DreamTR brought up.
Couple things I wanna mention though…
Cole, you were saying that most of us can’t really vote on this as a lot of us are still learning ST. Was that directed towards the people that are voting in favor of banning Akuma? Cause if so, I think that definitely applies to a lot of the people that are saying he shouldn’t be banned as well.
There is one common denominator in all of this and that is that, as an area with good ST competition, we aren’t playing each other nearly as much as we should be with or without Akuma.
Apoc, are you gonna be able to make it to Zach’s on Friday?
I was thinking we let it be a free for all. At least for a few months. We all know Akuma is buff, but maybe something will pop up that will destroy his bitch ass. I won’t front, I have no fucking clue how to do it. I personally think the fucker is broken, but what do I know I just play Gief. At least his bullshit set ups are satisfying and awesome at the same time. Unlike other characters that just do the same shit over and over and look HELLA weak in the process. That is ST for you. SPD all day son.
My only real concern is if we ban him, and maybe one other region does as well, but the rest do not then we may have some problems. I just hope that Jedi Council of ST can come together for the greater good.
Pablo: Play against that Haru Tejyo, the number 1 ranked guy on XBOX. His Zangief is unstoppable. If he hits you once or you block ,you will lose. I forget what his ggpo name is. Zass knows it.
I don’t really care for ranks. The only Gief I am scared of is Nate Fucking Montes. For example, I have utterly destroyed FrankDuxdimak with my Gief who is top ranked with Guile. The only Guile that matters to me belongs to Axel F. Hardbody. Some things will never change. That is just how we do.
That isn’t to say that there aren’t exceptions. If there is one game where you can pull things out of your ass and win, it’s ST. Still, using Gief is damn near always an uphill battle.
I see it as a damned if we do, damned if we don’t situation. I’m not liking what he brings to the table. Inescapable Raging Demon is BS. Ridiculous balance of damage taken / given is BS. Jab DP is BS. He should be toned down before thrown into tournaments imo, but I honestly don’t see the rest of the community(ies) banning him.
I know the whole point of getting him banned now is to prevent shit at the upcoming majors around the nation, but what are we gonna do if we ban and then he ends up not being banned anywhere else? Is it worth potentially hampering our practice at this game? Is there anyone actively trying to beast with Akuma right now? I don’t think anyone played him at Zach’s at the last tourney.
It’s just a real sticky situation, I’m game to ban him I think the evidence against him is enough to get his ass out of there, but I don’t want to hurt our game either. But for what it’s worth I’m leaning towards ban that ass.
Quick edit>>
Kind of an interesting point, isn’t evo gonna be all PS3? Is there any noticeable differences between the two?
I thought I read on a post on the front page a while back that they were going to use whatever was available, unfortunately can’t find a link to that post at the moment.
I would like to see some serious Akuma play at one of the next tournaments, either online or at Zachs. Nothing else is going to convince me that he should be banned.
