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differences between G-30M

Thanks for the tips, man. BTW, if you work at honda, i believe you have free access to G-30M, which has different appearance in comparison to G-40M. The 30M which is also called Honda Grease looks more like a thermal paste and the color is white. I didn’t get the oil stuff when i opened this one.

The 40M is not white, looks more like a silicone grease with less color and more transparency. BTW this is important for people who thinks that both 2 greases are identical with just temperature differences, that’s not true.

Both can provide great joystick lubrication but visible differences are noticeable. I can tell as a person that experienced both 30 and 40M, that the G-30M has very similar appearance to Seimitsu original lubrication.

Seimitsu’s lube looks more consistent, if you apply the G-30M on a Seimitsu stick, you can notice appearance like a thermal paste in a light green color. If you apply 40M (sanwa lube) you can notice a more transparent/clear grease, different from what the original Seimitsu lube looks like.

The picture bellow shows LS-56 and LS-40 with original lubrication, the Shin-Etsu G-30M applied on these sticks looks identical to the picture, 40M looks different.

Is there any confirmation that Seimitsu use the same as Sanwa? I guess not, so i believe Seimitsu use 30M, not 40.

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I kinda noticed the difference when I had both seimitsu and sanwa sticks apart.

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So you confirm that original lubrication from those 2 manufactures looks different. Cool, this helps to believe even more that Seimitsu don’t use the same as Sanwa like everybody says.

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Sanwa uses G-40M.
Seimitsu uses G-501.

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Am I the odd man out who uses the American made Molycoat by Dow Corning for my joysticks?

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Sorry, but how do you know that?

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Offense taken.
You must not know who I am in Tech Talk.

I have both Sanwa and Seimitsu Catalogs.

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No, man, i really don’t know but i know now, sorry for any offense.

Any chance to i get this G-501 through you?

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jdm714 knows everything, sort of like god but you can’t tell jdm714 he wrong but he tells god when god is wrong.

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I don’t bet on it. Just wondering if is possible to buy this G-501.

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That statement was part joke, part a comment on how much experience jdm714 has.

Depending where you at is how available the right silicon grease is

etokki.com sells Shin-Etsu G-40M Silicone Grease, 100 grams for $19.99 Plus S&H

Alternatively Lizard Lick sells Dow Molycoat 44, a 150 gram tube for $24.99

Per gram it is the same price for ether grease. Molycoat 44 has the same Mil-Spec as the Shin-Etsu G-40M.

Some Honda Dealerships Mechanic shops has shin-etsu G-30M, the ones near me will not directly sell the grease to consumers, some BS over licensing and sales.

The big reason I suggest Molycoat is to avoid the frustrations with overseas shipping, and regardless what tube of what ever you get, the stuff really last, A little goes a long way.

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None of the Honda dealerships sales it at least not around me. Plus I don’t think they stock more than one tube since it’s expensive. I so happened to be lucky and got myself a tube at another Honda dealer I worked at hehe. It’s like a sacred item. Once someone borrows it you’ll never see it again lol so I don’t let anyone know I have it. I should bring it home.

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Thanks Dark!

I already have the Lizardlick Molykote 44, the Shin-Etsu G-30M from Honda and the G-40 i ordered from Etokki. I think the G-30M gave better results to my LS-56 than the Sanwa lube, so if the Seimitsu use another Shin-Etsu model, i would like to try the original.

:slight_smile:

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Rare footage of jdm actually boasting?
When I get less stupid with money, maybe I’ll pick up some of that Dow Molycoat.

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Just checked the price on the Honda shin-etsu it’s 20.87 a tube. And they won’t sell it to anyone.

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It depends on the year

Seimitsu sticks feels sticky by using G-40M, they have never used.

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I was hoping you not Quote that.
Laugh.

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Anyways, how often should one be greasing the joystick? If you don’t use the stick does the grease evaporate or something? I’m just worried my joysticks might die from neglect since I hardly ever use them anymore.

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Funny…

They never gave me a problem when I asked for it from a local Honda dealership. That was around 18 months ago, less than a year after I bought my first Mad Catz TE (which is sitting in a box waiting for 3 components — MC Cthulu, LS-40-01, and an Art Hong Plexi — to complete its transition to a multi-console joystick… In the meantime it has brother and sister joysticks that are being used).

Honda was happy to sell me a tube of the grease after placing a special order for it…

I’ve only used a little once but one tube should be more than enough for a lifetime of gaming.

I don’t know why they wouldn’t want to sell dealer equipment to paying customers. It’s not like someone’s going to make an explosive of this stuff or <GASP!> lubricate wheelchair wheels or take care of squeaking car doors!

I don’t know that having either G-30M and G-40 makes much difference.
The only credible thing I’ve read is to stay away from organic-based greases. They WILL corrode metal joystick shafts and destroy plastic parts over time.

Stick with formulations that are synthetic, silicone-based. They don’t have to be Shin-Etsu… There should be plenty of greases that are safe to use but everybody is being Chicken Little because we can only get confirmation that the Shin-Etsu and Dow Corning greases are safe.

Oh well…

… This is definitely one of the areas where the Slag Coin joystick FAQ is wrong… people have sworn by the document like it’s an absolute and have used lip balm/Chapstick to lubricate joystick pivots. Lip balm should be one of the worst things to use since it’s organic-based unless they changed the formulation last time I checked…

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They say (more or less) about every 6 months, but as for a lonely joystick, i don’t know. Maybe the grease doesn’t evaporate, for example, there are many Neo-Geo AES original sticks just for collection purpose not being used and they stands smooth still.

Both 2 greases are different and temperature rating is not the only difference, they also looks different at first sight. G-30m does dry faster, although they result in same effect when applied, G-40M is higher recommended since it will lasts for longer time, i can say that from my own experience. Molykote 44 is really very similar and feels like G-40M in touch comparison, so i recommend it for Sanwa as a really great alternative lube.

But the point is not just about the grease be safe or not, every grease is different and may cause different feeling comparing with how the joystick used to feel when it was new. Sanwa/Seimitsu make arcade parts, they are not lubrication PRO, neither of them knows about how each grease will work better, last longer, which one evarorates faster, etc. They choose a specific qualified grease that works well and good enough for their pieces, which i will always recommend for who that wants back the feeling like new.

I recommend Shin-Etsu G-40M or Molykotte 44 for Sanwa. Seimitsu sticks has different pivot quality, i highly recommend the original Shin-Etsu G-501 for them, is great, works flawless and lasts long long time…any other grease (G-40M, G-30M, Molykote 44 and other silicone based greases) have not worked well enough on Seimitsu’s plastic bearing.

Poor english but i hope this post can still helps sometime.